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  • We're shopping Nordstrom's this year.  No more trading for Walmart gift cards thank you. 

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
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  • Heath Shuler didn't make the list?  David Carr had a much better career IMO.  He even lost to Nancy Pelosi, to add insult to injury.

    “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @the-gipper said:

    Is your FMU education so deficient that you cannot read simple English?

    It is about QBs who have been  drafted "later" that turned out to fairly productive, given their draft status.

    I would have thought perhaps what with post #3 you may have thought it was a thread about you:   total underachievers.

    Yep. Rudolph thread

    @mld-woody said:

    Yep. Rudolph thread

    OK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficientOK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficient

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  • OrionO Orion

    We're shopping Nordstrom's this year.  No more trading for Walmart gift cards thank you. 

    @orion said:

    We're shopping Nordstrom's this year.  No more trading for Walmart gift cards thank you. 

    But we may get Walmart value with our Nordstrom price tagBut we may get Walmart value with our Nordstrom price tag

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  • htownbrownH htownbrown

    Heath Shuler didn't make the list?  David Carr had a much better career IMO.  He even lost to Nancy Pelosi, to add insult to injury.

    @htownbrown said:

    Heath Shuler didn't make the list?  David Carr had a much better career IMO.  He even lost to Nancy Pelosi, to add insult to injury.

    I only went back to the year 2000 Heath Shuler was before that but you're welcome to go back even further say to like 1950 if you wantI only went back to the year 2000 Heath Shuler was before that but you're welcome to go back even further say to like 1950 if you want

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  • This is just as likely to be a Luke Falk or a Mike white thread. Or Nick Stevens or some other lower rated quarterback that actually becomes very productive in his career

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    Yep. Rudolph thread

    OK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficientOK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficient

    @the-gipper said:

    OK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficientOK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficient

    That's a double negative, right? So it's sufficient?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • This guy could wind up being one of the steals in the draft. I hadn't seen much of him until recently, and he's damn fun to watch. He makes plenty of big time throws and is a next level type of athlete. 

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @htownbrown said:

    Heath Shuler didn't make the list?  David Carr had a much better career IMO.  He even lost to Nancy Pelosi, to add insult to injury.

    I only went back to the year 2000 Heath Shuler was before that but you're welcome to go back even further say to like 1950 if you wantI only went back to the year 2000 Heath Shuler was before that but you're welcome to go back even further say to like 1950 if you want

    @the-gipper said:

    I only went back to the year 2000 Heath Shuler was before that but you're welcome to go back even further say to like 1950 if you wantI only went back to the year 2000 Heath Shuler was before that but you're welcome to go back even further say to like 1950 if you want

    Didn't pay attention to the parameters....my bad.

    “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”

  • I'm not going to elaborate on names but since 2000, there have been 41 QBs drafted in the first round. Around 14 outright busts, 9 that underperformed (quality backups to spot starters), 10 that were quality starters, and 8 outright studs. Eli, Rodgers, Ryan, BR, Rivers....   

    So league wide, better than 50\50 odds you're not going to draft an outright bum qb in the first round. The Browns hit the trifecta with Quinn, Weeden, and Manziel. 

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  • S SD_Tom

    This guy could wind up being one of the steals in the draft. I hadn't seen much of him until recently, and he's damn fun to watch. He makes plenty of big time throws and is a next level type of athlete. 

    @sd_tom said:

    This guy could wind up being one of the steals in the draft. I hadn't seen much of him until recently, and he's damn fun to watch. He makes plenty of big time throws and is a next level type of athlete. 

    Never heard of him. Why are you just now bringing him up?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @the-gipper said:

    OK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficientOK you confirm that your Shmuck you Michigan education is in fact deficient

    That's a double negative, right? So it's sufficient?

    @mld-woody said:

    That's a double negative, right? So it's sufficient?

    I don't know about no double negative.😉  I just know that you never seem to say anything on here above the intelligence level of third grader.  Perhaps you could try to work to improve on that...if you are able.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    I'm not going to elaborate on names but since 2000, there have been 41 QBs drafted in the first round. Around 14 outright busts, 9 that underperformed (quality backups to spot starters), 10 that were quality starters, and 8 outright studs. Eli, Rodgers, Ryan, BR, Rivers....   

    So league wide, better than 50\50 odds you're not going to draft an outright bum qb in the first round. The Browns hit the trifecta with Quinn, Weeden, and Manziel. 

    @hoorta said:

    I'm not going to elaborate on names but since 2000, there have been 41 QBs drafted in the first round. Around 14 outright busts, 9 that underperformed (quality backups to spot starters), 10 that were quality starters, and 8 outright studs. Eli, Rodgers, Ryan, BR, Rivers....   

    So league wide, better than 50\50 odds you're not going to draft an outright bum qb in the first round. The Browns hit the trifecta with Quinn, Weeden, and Manziel. 

    But it is also 50/50 that you ARE going to draft an outright bum in the first round.  But yes...the Browns skew the average.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @hoorta said:

    I'm not going to elaborate on names but since 2000, there have been 41 QBs drafted in the first round. Around 14 outright busts, 9 that underperformed (quality backups to spot starters), 10 that were quality starters, and 8 outright studs. Eli, Rodgers, Ryan, BR, Rivers....   

    So league wide, better than 50\50 odds you're not going to draft an outright bum qb in the first round. The Browns hit the trifecta with Quinn, Weeden, and Manziel. 

    But it is also 50/50 that you ARE going to draft an outright bum in the first round.  But yes...the Browns skew the average.

    @the-gipper said:

    But it is also 50/50 that you ARE going to draft an outright bum in the first round.  But yes...the Browns skew the average.

    I said the odds are better than 50% you're not going to draft an outright bum qb in the first round. 

    Since I have the time, and you want to argue- 2000 on first round qbs- Da Bums: Dave Carr (injury bust), Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow (should never have been drafted in the 1st), Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Chris Ponder, (note the previous three may still be on a roster somewhere, I'm not gonna look) Griffin (partial injury bust), Brandon We-done, Johnny Manziel, Paxton Lynch (pending bust).  That's 15\41. 

    Then you have guys who started for a few years, or wound up as quality backups- that isn't a total bust in my mind. Chad Pennington, Brian Leftwich, Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford (would be in the next tier if he could stay healthy), Ryan Tannehill, EJ Manuel (if you want to say bust there, OK).  9\41

    So that's 58% that either busted, or under performed. Only 36% flat-out busts though. (about the historical rate of fist round busts, all positions) 

    Now- the guys that earn "franchise QB" in my book: Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Blake Bortels (iffy), Jamis Winston, Marcus Marriotta, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz. too early to say on 2017. 17\41 = 41%

    So the odds of getting a stud- or at least a quality backup QB in the first round are historically better than flipping a coin. 

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  • I'm tired of basement bargain QB's or any position.. I want the real McCoy.. Not to be confused with McFry!

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @the-gipper said:

    But it is also 50/50 that you ARE going to draft an outright bum in the first round.  But yes...the Browns skew the average.

    I said the odds are better than 50% you're not going to draft an outright bum qb in the first round. 

    Since I have the time, and you want to argue- 2000 on first round qbs- Da Bums: Dave Carr (injury bust), Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow (should never have been drafted in the 1st), Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Chris Ponder, (note the previous three may still be on a roster somewhere, I'm not gonna look) Griffin (partial injury bust), Brandon We-done, Johnny Manziel, Paxton Lynch (pending bust).  That's 15\41. 

    Then you have guys who started for a few years, or wound up as quality backups- that isn't a total bust in my mind. Chad Pennington, Brian Leftwich, Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford (would be in the next tier if he could stay healthy), Ryan Tannehill, EJ Manuel (if you want to say bust there, OK).  9\41

    So that's 58% that either busted, or under performed. Only 36% flat-out busts though. (about the historical rate of fist round busts, all positions) 

    Now- the guys that earn "franchise QB" in my book: Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Blake Bortels (iffy), Jamis Winston, Marcus Marriotta, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz. too early to say on 2017. 17\41 = 41%

    So the odds of getting a stud- or at least a quality backup QB in the first round are historically better than flipping a coin. 

    @hoorta said:

    I said the odds are better than 50% you're not going to draft an outright bum qb in the first round. 

    Since I have the time, and you want to argue- 2000 on first round qbs- Da Bums: Dave Carr (injury bust), Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow (should never have been drafted in the 1st), Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Chris Ponder, (note the previous three may still be on a roster somewhere, I'm not gonna look) Griffin (partial injury bust), Brandon We-done, Johnny Manziel, Paxton Lynch (pending bust).  That's 15\41. 

    Then you have guys who started for a few years, or wound up as quality backups- that isn't a total bust in my mind. Chad Pennington, Brian Leftwich, Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford (would be in the next tier if he could stay healthy), Ryan Tannehill, EJ Manuel (if you want to say bust there, OK).  9\41

    So that's 58% that either busted, or under performed. Only 36% flat-out busts though. (about the historical rate of fist round busts, all positions) 

    Now- the guys that earn "franchise QB" in my book: Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Blake Bortels (iffy), Jamis Winston, Marcus Marriotta, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz. too early to say on 2017. 17\41 = 41%

    So the odds of getting a stud- or at least a quality backup QB in the first round are historically better than flipping a coin. 

    Boo Fagley says that both Vick and Winston are busts.   I don't agree with that.  

    So let me revise my comment:   Your chances seem better than 50/50 to get an underachiever in round one.  Is that better language?

    Of course, past round one....you could say that there is no such thing as "underachievement"  because no QB taken past round one should be considered to be of "franchise QB" status.

    Fair to say?

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  • nickersN nickers

    I'm tired of basement bargain QB's or any position.. I want the real McCoy.. Not to be confused with McFry!

    @nickers said:

    I'm tired of basement bargain QB's or any position.. I want the real McCoy.. Not to be confused with McFry!

    We had all that wrapped up in one once:   A real McCoy...Colt....who was also "bargain basement".

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @orion said:

    We're shopping Nordstrom's this year.  No more trading for Walmart gift cards thank you. 

    But we may get Walmart value with our Nordstrom price tagBut we may get Walmart value with our Nordstrom price tag

    @the-gipper said:

    But we may get Walmart value with our Nordstrom price tagBut we may get Walmart value with our Nordstrom price tag

    Hell... the way the Browns draft.... I’ll pay the Nordstrom price for Walmart value.... it’s better than when we pay Nordstrom price and get the Kmart blue light special bull sh it.

  • Hoping for Darnold/Rosen #1 and Luke Faulk, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White in the 4th round to go with Tyrod Taylor. ?

  • J JimboJones

    Hoping for Darnold/Rosen #1 and Luke Faulk, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White in the 4th round to go with Tyrod Taylor. ?

    @jimbojones said:

    Hoping for Darnold/Rosen #1 and Luke Faulk, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White in the 4th round to go with Tyrod Taylor. ?

    I'm not sure any of those guys will be there in the 4th round. There are a lot of teams with aging and/or injury prone QBs who may be shopping that 2nd tier of QBs, & the guys you mentioned have value.

    Mike

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