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  • You guys do know that my ignore setting is much less effective when you quote the OP..... right?

  • @stinkhole said:

    I like to call it the "Transition of Power" in the AFC.

    Transitioning out:

    Pittsburgh

    New England

    Transitioning in:

    Jacksonville

    KC

    browns

    This is based on 3 games.

    Pitt's D is the contributing factor to their apparent downfall. A bad D is very untypical of a Steeler team... and NE looks mediocre all the way around.

    But it's still early. Remember 2013!!!!...Steelers started 0-4, and the enemies of Steeler Nation believed they were finally witnessing the end of the scourge brought upon them by the Steelers for decades was finally over!

    It happens, Stinks, the Steelers gave away a lot of turnovers to the Browns, and then Tampa helpd the Steelers. I just think the Steelers are entering that stale era,  not like our 0 - 16 debacle, but perhaps an 8-8 7-9/ I do think the Browns, now with youth and some real impact players and a QB are going to be a prominent team in the AFC. Interesting times.

    @ghoolie said:

    . I just think the Steelers are entering that stale era,  not like our 0 - 16 debacle, but perhaps an 8-8 7-9/  . . . . . .

    The last stale era for PIT was one 2003 season.  They went 6-10, drafted Ben and the stale one year era was over.

  • I don't have a problem with someone picking the team where they live to follow. Many Oilers fans stopped being fans when they became the Titans in Tenn. and have not returned via the Texans. Some have but many also have not. It's a new generation. It's a new team that only shares "Houston" with the old.

    I never really had a pro team until I went to grad school in Greeley and watched the Broncos training camp "live" there for free during the summers. BTW I wish we could talk Kubiak to come out of coaching retirement and make this thing really work in Cleveland.

    At the same time you all know why I came and I stayed because I have loved the interaction with all the old Browns fans who are still loyal to that name despite all the changes, trials and tribulations. Loyalty to me is a superior quality, like honesty. It can't be bought or sold.

    @texasag1969 said:

     I wish we could talk Kubiak to come out of coaching retirement and make this thing really work in Cleveland.

    CLE can now attract a real head coach with where they are now with Haslam, Dorsey, , Haley, Williams, Baker and the crew.  It's a fairly distinguished group of guys at this point.

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    His newfound Raiders fandom isn't going so well with them starting 0-3...

    Dude,

    WTF is it with you people who think that my fanship is based on wins? Honestly, are you not able to comprehend what you read?

    I NEVER said I would support the Raiders because I believed they were going to be a great SB champion and rule the NFL. Let me type S L O W L Y    and see if you can keep up. Now, wipe the boogers off your fingers and listen up.

    1) For the 2.119th time.................

    I don't have an emotional attachment to this Browns team. I have friends here, and a lot of great memories. For ME..........Me,  not you, FOR ME.........This team is not the true, authentic Cleveland Browns. That team, FOR ME......... is dead, poof, long gone. Now, I have interest in the fake Browns or whatever you would call them, and I hope they do well. If they clinic and go 14 - 1-1 and then win it all, I will feel the same way. You are not going to see me coming in here on a bandwagon, as if my own, personal existence is elevated because of the Browns success.

    2) I will become a "fan" of the Raydahhs.....not because of wins and losses.............but because I am building a home in Vegas, have friends and customers there, and, as a cool form of entertainment, being at a Vegas Raiders game will be THE place to be.

    Don't be a simpleton all your life. Sit up and pay attention. I think the Browns will win Sunday. Rayders 0 - 4? Cool, Browns 2-1-1  OR  1 -2 - 1?  All cool with me.

    @ghoolie said:

    Dude,

    WTF is it with you people who think that my fanship is based on wins? Honestly, are you not able to comprehend what you read?

    I NEVER said I would support the Raiders because I believed they were going to be a great SB champion and rule the NFL. Let me type S L O W L Y    and see if you can keep up. Now, wipe the boogers off your fingers and listen up.

    1) For the 2.119th time.................

    I don't have an emotional attachment to this Browns team. I have friends here, and a lot of great memories. For ME..........Me,  not you, FOR ME.........This team is not the true, authentic Cleveland Browns. That team, FOR ME......... is dead, poof, long gone. Now, I have interest in the fake Browns or whatever you would call them, and I hope they do well. If they clinic and go 14 - 1-1 and then win it all, I will feel the same way. You are not going to see me coming in here on a bandwagon, as if my own, personal existence is elevated because of the Browns success.

    2) I will become a "fan" of the Raydahhs.....not because of wins and losses.............but because I am building a home in Vegas, have friends and customers there, and, as a cool form of entertainment, being at a Vegas Raiders game will be THE place to be.

    Don't be a simpleton all your life. Sit up and pay attention. I think the Browns will win Sunday. Rayders 0 - 4? Cool, Browns 2-1-1  OR  1 -2 - 1?  All cool with me.

    Again, why wait?  Close your account here and go onto a Raiders board with your horseschtick.    You obviously do not have to live in the town of the team you glom onto....why should it matter that neither you nor the Raiders are in LV yet.  If the Browns to you are dead and long gone, then why don't you just follow suit....since you are basically dead and long gone to real Browns fans around here.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Dude,

    WTF is it with you people who think that my fanship is based on wins? Honestly, are you not able to comprehend what you read?

    I NEVER said I would support the Raiders because I believed they were going to be a great SB champion and rule the NFL. Let me type S L O W L Y    and see if you can keep up. Now, wipe the boogers off your fingers and listen up.

    1) For the 2.119th time.................

    I don't have an emotional attachment to this Browns team. I have friends here, and a lot of great memories. For ME..........Me,  not you, FOR ME.........This team is not the true, authentic Cleveland Browns. That team, FOR ME......... is dead, poof, long gone. Now, I have interest in the fake Browns or whatever you would call them, and I hope they do well. If they clinic and go 14 - 1-1 and then win it all, I will feel the same way. You are not going to see me coming in here on a bandwagon, as if my own, personal existence is elevated because of the Browns success.

    2) I will become a "fan" of the Raydahhs.....not because of wins and losses.............but because I am building a home in Vegas, have friends and customers there, and, as a cool form of entertainment, being at a Vegas Raiders game will be THE place to be.

    Don't be a simpleton all your life. Sit up and pay attention. I think the Browns will win Sunday. Rayders 0 - 4? Cool, Browns 2-1-1  OR  1 -2 - 1?  All cool with me.

    Again, why wait?  Close your account here and go onto a Raiders board with your horseschtick.    You obviously do not have to live in the town of the team you glom onto....why should it matter that neither you nor the Raiders are in LV yet.  If the Browns to you are dead and long gone, then why don't you just follow suit....since you are basically dead and long gone to real Browns fans around here.

    @the-gipper said:

      If the Browns to you are dead and long gone, then why don't you just follow suit...

    That is how Ghoolie thinks.  His thoughts and his perspective are valid and respectable to me.  Jim Brown goes to the team and meets Baker and the new crew.  His perspective is valid as well. The thoughts of the individual are their own.  Why would anybody ever get upset about what someone else might think?

    It's like Steelers fans get upset about the stupid shìt that Bradshaw says.  He's 70 years old and has been hit in the head 1,000 times and has been diagnosed with a chronic mental illness. Why would anybody care what he says?

  • @the-gipper said:

      If the Browns to you are dead and long gone, then why don't you just follow suit...

    That is how Ghoolie thinks.  His thoughts and his perspective are valid and respectable to me.  Jim Brown goes to the team and meets Baker and the new crew.  His perspective is valid as well. The thoughts of the individual are their own.  Why would anybody ever get upset about what someone else might think?

    It's like Steelers fans get upset about the stupid shìt that Bradshaw says.  He's 70 years old and has been hit in the head 1,000 times and has been diagnosed with a chronic mental illness. Why would anybody care what he says?

    @dick-mellon said:

    That is how Ghoolie thinks.  His thoughts and his perspective are valid and respectable to me.  Jim Brown goes to the team and meets Baker and the new crew.  His perspective is valid as well. The thoughts of the individual are their own.  Why would anybody ever get upset about what someone else might think?

    It's like Steelers fans get upset about the stupid shìt that Bradshaw says.  He's 70 years old and has been hit in the head 1,000 times and has been diagnosed with a chronic mental illness. Why would anybody care what he says?

    You are right.  Why should anyone care about the ignorant shite that Ghoolie says.   Thank you for your perspective.

  • Honestly...we are no more than 2 pieces away from a sick awesome offense.

    One more quality reciever and a solid OL and we are

    Gold, Jerry...Gold!!

  • @ghoolie said:

    It happens, Stinks, the Steelers gave away a lot of turnovers to the Browns, and then Tampa helpd the Steelers. I just think the Steelers are entering that stale era,  not like our 0 - 16 debacle, but perhaps an 8-8 7-9/ I do think the Browns, now with youth and some real impact players and a QB are going to be a prominent team in the AFC. Interesting times.

    Good points as always Ghoolie.

    @stinkhole said:

    Good points as always Ghoolie.

    LOL

  • Honestly...we are no more than 2 pieces away from a sick awesome offense.

    One more quality reciever and a solid OL and we are

    Gold, Jerry...Gold!!

    @kvoethe said:

    Honestly...we are no more than 2 pieces away from a sick awesome offense.

    One more quality reciever and a solid OL and we are

    Gold, Jerry...Gold!!

    Well.....a solid offensive line could be  5 pieces.  Please parcel out those positions on the line that you think we need improvement.

  • @ghoolie said:

    . I just think the Steelers are entering that stale era,  not like our 0 - 16 debacle, but perhaps an 8-8 7-9/  . . . . . .

    The last stale era for PIT was one 2003 season.  They went 6-10, drafted Ben and the stale one year era was over.

    @dick-mellon said:

    The last stale era for PIT was one 2003 season.  They went 6-10, drafted Ben and the stale one year era was over.

    If you are suggesting that I am backpedaling on my former statement that the Steelers are one of the best organizations in the NFL, I am not. IN FACT............. if you care to find the thread about Le Veon, I am the first and only one to predict that the Steelers would not miss a step, and that his replacement would do just fine. and, well, the guy is just as good, isn't he?

    I was correct about Brady being done, 18 months ago when the Patriots were given the SB with luck. Ben? I am not so sure. The guy is amazing. At times, it seems as though he is not as quick releasing as he once was, but then he makes some plays. As you pointed out, the Steelers are one terrific football player generating machine. My gut tells me this isn't their year, we will see. I think you will at least admit that replacing Ben will be one hell of an achievement. 

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    His newfound Raiders fandom isn't going so well with them starting 0-3...

    Dude,

    WTF is it with you people who think that my fanship is based on wins? Honestly, are you not able to comprehend what you read?

    I NEVER said I would support the Raiders because I believed they were going to be a great SB champion and rule the NFL. Let me type S L O W L Y    and see if you can keep up. Now, wipe the boogers off your fingers and listen up.

    1) For the 2.119th time.................

    I don't have an emotional attachment to this Browns team. I have friends here, and a lot of great memories. For ME..........Me,  not you, FOR ME.........This team is not the true, authentic Cleveland Browns. That team, FOR ME......... is dead, poof, long gone. Now, I have interest in the fake Browns or whatever you would call them, and I hope they do well. If they clinic and go 14 - 1-1 and then win it all, I will feel the same way. You are not going to see me coming in here on a bandwagon, as if my own, personal existence is elevated because of the Browns success.

    2) I will become a "fan" of the Raydahhs.....not because of wins and losses.............but because I am building a home in Vegas, have friends and customers there, and, as a cool form of entertainment, being at a Vegas Raiders game will be THE place to be.

    Don't be a simpleton all your life. Sit up and pay attention. I think the Browns will win Sunday. Rayders 0 - 4? Cool, Browns 2-1-1  OR  1 -2 - 1?  All cool with me.

    @ghoolie said:

    Dude,

    WTF is it with you people who think that my fanship is based on wins? Honestly, are you not able to comprehend what you read?

    I NEVER said I would support the Raiders because I believed they were going to be a great SB champion and rule the NFL. Let me type S L O W L Y    and see if you can keep up. Now, wipe the boogers off your fingers and listen up.

    1) For the 2.119th time.................

    I don't have an emotional attachment to this Browns team. I have friends here, and a lot of great memories. For ME..........Me,  not you, FOR ME.........This team is not the true, authentic Cleveland Browns. That team, FOR ME......... is dead, poof, long gone. Now, I have interest in the fake Browns or whatever you would call them, and I hope they do well. If they clinic and go 14 - 1-1 and then win it all, I will feel the same way. You are not going to see me coming in here on a bandwagon, as if my own, personal existence is elevated because of the Browns success.

    2) I will become a "fan" of the Raydahhs.....not because of wins and losses.............but because I am building a home in Vegas, have friends and customers there, and, as a cool form of entertainment, being at a Vegas Raiders game will be THE place to be.

    Don't be a simpleton all your life. Sit up and pay attention. I think the Browns will win Sunday. Rayders 0 - 4? Cool, Browns 2-1-1  OR  1 -2 - 1?  All cool with me.

    Babble. All self-aggrandizing babble.

    If they gave you an enema, you'd fit in a matchbox.

  • Is Ghoolie in this?

  • Now that was funny!!!

  • is there a more annoying instrument in the world? id rather be beaten over the head with a bagpipe.....

  • is there a more annoying instrument in the world? id rather be beaten over the head with a bagpipe.....

    @clevfan4life said:

    is there a more annoying instrument in the world? id rather be beaten over the head with a bagpipe.....

    Be careful what you ask for,  you will get it:

  • Damn...I remember that show...christ I was young.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Dude,

    WTF is it with you people who think that my fanship is based on wins? Honestly, are you not able to comprehend what you read?

    I NEVER said I would support the Raiders because I believed they were going to be a great SB champion and rule the NFL. Let me type S L O W L Y    and see if you can keep up. Now, wipe the boogers off your fingers and listen up.

    1) For the 2.119th time.................

    I don't have an emotional attachment to this Browns team. I have friends here, and a lot of great memories. For ME..........Me,  not you, FOR ME.........This team is not the true, authentic Cleveland Browns. That team, FOR ME......... is dead, poof, long gone. Now, I have interest in the fake Browns or whatever you would call them, and I hope they do well. If they clinic and go 14 - 1-1 and then win it all, I will feel the same way. You are not going to see me coming in here on a bandwagon, as if my own, personal existence is elevated because of the Browns success.

    2) I will become a "fan" of the Raydahhs.....not because of wins and losses.............but because I am building a home in Vegas, have friends and customers there, and, as a cool form of entertainment, being at a Vegas Raiders game will be THE place to be.

    Don't be a simpleton all your life. Sit up and pay attention. I think the Browns will win Sunday. Rayders 0 - 4? Cool, Browns 2-1-1  OR  1 -2 - 1?  All cool with me.

    Babble. All self-aggrandizing babble.

    If they gave you an enema, you'd fit in a matchbox.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Babble. All self-aggrandizing babble.

    If they gave you an enema, you'd fit in a matchbox.

    Yes, the comeback of a genius. Accuse me of something, then when you get kicked in the vagina, divert the conversation. Here is a better one... if you met me in person, you wouldn't say schidt. GTFO Puta.

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    Babble. All self-aggrandizing babble.

    If they gave you an enema, you'd fit in a matchbox.

    Yes, the comeback of a genius. Accuse me of something, then when you get kicked in the vagina, divert the conversation. Here is a better one... if you met me in person, you wouldn't say schidt. GTFO Puta.

    @ghoolie said:

    Yes, the comeback of a genius. Accuse me of something, then when you get kicked in the vagina, divert the conversation. Here is a better one... if you met me in person, you wouldn't say schidt. GTFO Puta.

    Puta = Spanish for Whore in Venezuela.LOL!?

    I am not making that up Tom.?

  • @ghoolie said:

    Yes, the comeback of a genius. Accuse me of something, then when you get kicked in the vagina, divert the conversation. Here is a better one... if you met me in person, you wouldn't say schidt. GTFO Puta.

    Puta = Spanish for Whore in Venezuela.LOL!?

    I am not making that up Tom.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Puta = Spanish for Whore in Venezuela.LOL!?

    I am not making that up Tom.?

    Ah, you think I didn't know that when I posted it? By the way, you did see where I bought a bottle of Diplomatica Reserva Exclusiva? It finally entered the mid south market.

  • @ghoolie said:

    The first time I lived through a changing of the guard, Jim Brown retired. The emergence of Sipe was a big change for us, as was his leaving. Sam and Sipe in exchange for Bernie and Marty was another, but whew....we wound up being okay. I think the next one was Modell moving the team.

    I personally believe we are living in the age of a new Browns franchise, and me, not being blinded by fanaticism, believes there is good reason for this. In the division and Ben, Flacco are getting long in the tooth. I am not sure yet about Ben, but his miracle throws have almost vanished. He is still a physical bastard and his team is in a weird place. I AM however sure about Tom Brady. Only 80's Steeler-type miraculous luck allows Brady to beat Atlanta, and last year, he wasn't enough. This year? He is a ghost. His mental quickness has declined. He is getting hit more and it is NOT the OL. Defenses are not as quick to adjust as I am, but mark my words, this year will be total crap for Tom and the Pats.

    But I digress. Fan-masturbation aside, do you think this is a moment in time that is going to mark a new era for the Browns? I do. 2018-19 will be more than just a year in the records. I believe it will be memorable for fans of all 32 teams as it applies to the Browns.

    COming in 2019 - 20...............Brownsania (collectable material) in mall stores near you.

    All ya have to do is hit on your draft picks Tommy. When you gonna admit Garrett is way more than a Zumba Instructor? Then we get Ward- stud. Ain't gonna anoint Baker after one decent win. But then Dorsey ships out Gordon for yet another violation of team rules. Big John hits on Callaway and Avery- and that's the best Draft the Browns have had since Ozzie and Matthews way back in '78? 

    Regarding the Pats- Kraft Cheese is making a mistake letting Brady "he's like a son to me" tell him what to do. Billy Boy knows the score, and wanted to keep Garrapolo.  Roberto  wants to get Brady to one last SB, and he just might not be good enough to do it anymore- even with Gordon. Billy cut Bernie due to "diminishing skills" Tom may just might have hit the age wall, time will tell. 

    PS & BS. Pre draft, I had the opinion Baker might be the second coming of Drew Brees. We'll see how that turns out. 

    @hoorta said:

    All ya have to do is hit on your draft picks Tommy. When you gonna admit Garrett is way more than a Zumba Instructor? Then we get Ward- stud. Ain't gonna anoint Baker after one decent win. But then Dorsey ships out Gordon for yet another violation of team rules. Big John hits on Callaway and Avery- and that's the best Draft the Browns have had since Ozzie and Matthews way back in '78? 

    Regarding the Pats- Kraft Cheese is making a mistake letting Brady "he's like a son to me" tell him what to do. Billy Boy knows the score, and wanted to keep Garrapolo.  Roberto  wants to get Brady to one last SB, and he just might not be good enough to do it anymore- even with Gordon. Billy cut Bernie due to "diminishing skills" Tom may just might have hit the age wall, time will tell. 

    PS & BS. Pre draft, I had the opinion Baker might be the second coming of Drew Brees. We'll see how that turns out. 

    I think Brady is done. Frankly, the writing is on the wall. The question is whether the organization would have the guts to possibly release him. And from what I've heard in the media over the past year, such a decision will be the owner's call.

    As for Baker becoming Drew Brees, that's quite a stretch right now. Way too early.