Gerald McCoy/ Mike Daniels
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ansah still hasnt signed anywhere? well, i was high on ansah before we signed vernon...ansah's starter money so not gonna pay that now. 9'ers are shopping siloman thomas who's got 2 more years left on rookie deal....dorsey oughta look at that.
I thought you were high on something else champ.
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for what?
Hey man how long have you had that???
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I share your concern about Corbett Tour- but.
So, last year the worry about this team was Left Tackle and what had been done to replace Joe Thomas. The concern was we only had Bitonio feeling his best NFL niche is OG, 1 undrafted FA Harrison; and if those didn't work we were going to have to try to tap what the Rams couldn't via former 2nd overall pick Greg Robinson. Who knew the best prize would be behind door #3? This year we shift this worry to RG and what had been done to replace Zeitler. Only this time, it looks like the FO added a few guys that started games in 2018 as well as a promising young prospect like Forbes to set up quite a challenge for the starting job at RG. There's also the possibility Corbett emerges as the guy they thought they drafted, which wouldn't suck. As we've seen over the years, not everyone emerges immediately especially on the offensive line. This year we only have to replace 1 starter on the offensive line compared to replacing 2 starters in 2018 (and 1 of those was a LT with 10 Pro Bowls). I think our FO can do it.
In that regard I give you Exhibit A: Cam "Turnstile" Erving, who the majority of us would have helped buy his plane ticket out of town he sucked so bad. Turns out he became at least a respectable starter for the Chiefs- much to my (and probably everyone else's) amazement.
I share your concern about Corbett Tour- but.
In that regard I give you Exhibit A: Cam "Turnstile" Erving, who the majority of us would have helped buy his plane ticket out of town he sucked so bad. Turns out he became at least a respectable starter for the Chiefs- much to my (and probably everyone else's) amazement.
Speaking of a slow emergence. Once upon a time we signed OG Barry Stokes, who was cut 3-4 times early on in his career. He started at LG on our only playoff team this side of 1999; and played well. We also had another guy (Shaun O'Hara) that was undrafted out of Rutgers in 2000 starting for us on that same line in 2002. Like I said, offensive linemen can get better with experience especially if they're given the chance to do so...
Trench wars don't take place on paper or in PFF Cliff Notes. Never have - never will. It's about how they work together as a unit. Last year, we had a rookie QB set a record for TD passes and a rookie RB average 5.2 yards per carry. Those impressive results from 2 rookies on an NFL learning curve don't reflect a weak line nearly as much as they reflect a balanced attack behind our line.
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I would still expect an offensive lineman taken in the second round to be fighting for a starting spot. Not to mention the fact that the cohesion of the guys on that line is more important than the superstars.
WSS
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
Yet that is exactly what JD did when he swapped Zeitler for Vernon.
You have to give value to get value.
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I would still expect an offensive lineman taken in the second round to be fighting for a starting spot. Not to mention the fact that the cohesion of the guys on that line is more important than the superstars.
WSS
I would still expect an offensive lineman taken in the second round to be fighting for a starting spot. Not to mention the fact that the cohesion of the guys on that line is more important than the superstars.
WSS
Well...I think that is just what Corbett is doing....fighting for a starting spot. Isn't he?
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But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
Yet that is exactly what JD did when he swapped Zeitler for Vernon.
You have to give value to get value.
Yet that is exactly what JD did when he swapped Zeitler for Vernon.
You have to give value to get value.
Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
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Yet that is exactly what JD did when he swapped Zeitler for Vernon.
You have to give value to get value.
Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
Minus the fact that Chubb had already taken meaningful regular season snaps and flashed when doing so.
Not your finest equivalency.
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Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
Minus the fact that Chubb had already taken meaningful regular season snaps and flashed when doing so.
Not your finest equivalency.
Minus the fact that Chubb had already taken meaningful regular season snaps and flashed when doing so.
Not your finest equivalency.
Well...remains to be seen. And it wouldn't be my equivalency...it would be Dorsey's. Lets just say that because he apparently felt that Zeitler was expendable that he must have had some idea that he had a plan to have a quality replacement available for him.
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Yet that is exactly what JD did when he swapped Zeitler for Vernon.
You have to give value to get value.
Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
Or fighting for the job as the second-string center
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
So you think that's the most likely scenario? Or just yapping to hear to hear yourself yapp? ?
WSS
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Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
Or fighting for the job as the second-string center
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
So you think that's the most likely scenario? Or just yapping to hear to hear yourself yapp? ?
WSS
Well, I have certainly gone out of my way to listen to you yap just to hear yourself yap enough in my life. Haven't I.
But really...give it some thought. Do you really think that Dorsey let Zeitler go if he did not think that he had a plan to adequately replace him?
Or do you think it is just a case of Dorsey dumping someone who he was thinking was not "my guy" for someone who is "my guy"....regardless of the respective talents? (It would not be the first or last time an NFL GM did that)
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for what?
Hey man how long have you had that???
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how long have i had what?
I think he is talking about your crush on Ziggy Ansah.
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Looks like the fucking Ratfuckers are going heavy after McCoy.
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Looks like the fucking Ratfuckers are going heavy after McCoy.
Looks like the fucking Ratfuckers are going heavy after McCoy.
“Sources” saying he wants to play for a contender and BAL fits better. My unbiased opinion and money would say CLE is more of a contender right now.
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Yet that is exactly what JD did when he swapped Zeitler for Vernon.
You have to give value to get value.
Maybe he did, and it still remains to be seen if that was the right move.
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
On the other hand, the trade of Zeitler may be compared to the trade of Carlos Hyde. That trade opened things up for Chubb to become the starting RB. He may see trading Zeitler as a way of opening things up for Corbett....whom, perhaps (like Chubb) he sees as a person with more potential than the person he traded.
Which is the definition of "a position of strength".
It usually takes you more than consecutive posts for you to contradict yourself
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any news on this? he was supposed to be signed by one or the other by today. I hope he's smart and realizes that his productivity might return to it's old form in our rotation. He's not going anywhere in the postseason with the Ravens.....not until they get a real QB. But if the Ravens throw money at him, clearly overpaying..which I suspect they will do..i can't blame him if he signs with them. If it's comparable offers tho….it's pretty clear who he should choose. But I think the Ravens are desperate to keep FA's out of Cleveland.
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any news on this? he was supposed to be signed by one or the other by today. I hope he's smart and realizes that his productivity might return to it's old form in our rotation. He's not going anywhere in the postseason with the Ravens.....not until they get a real QB. But if the Ravens throw money at him, clearly overpaying..which I suspect they will do..i can't blame him if he signs with them. If it's comparable offers tho….it's pretty clear who he should choose. But I think the Ravens are desperate to keep FA's out of Cleveland.
any news on this? he was supposed to be signed by one or the other by today. I hope he's smart and realizes that his productivity might return to it's old form in our rotation. He's not going anywhere in the postseason with the Ravens.....not until they get a real QB. But if the Ravens throw money at him, clearly overpaying..which I suspect they will do..i can't blame him if he signs with them. If it's comparable offers tho….it's pretty clear who he should choose. But I think the Ravens are desperate to keep FA's out of Cleveland.
They may be actually, didn’t think of that. We have about three times the cap room they do, so i think it should be a little easier for us to sign him.
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