Gerald McCoy/ Mike Daniels
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he signed with Panthers
Better them than Baltimore.
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1 year 4M at signing/3M base/500k Camp Bonus/500k per game on 46 man active/Sack bonus=6.5 sacks =500k. 8 sacks-1.5M ect.ect./250k if he makes the pro-bowl/250k if Panthers make the playoffs(ah nah! see Saints)..Total deal could MAX. 10.25M..Rumors not confirmed*--McCoy took less money than other deals? is rumored, to play the revenge card against Bucs week 2 & 6 while staying in the familiar NFC South..and no issue in Tampa giving McCoy's #93 to Suh Monday with Arians saying "McCoy just don't fit our Defensive scheme"..?..guess i will be grilling the wife some tv dinners..all this week
So, a couple of questions:
What did the Browns offer him, if known? (can we assume it was less than this incentive laden deal? Did the Browns offer an incentive laden deal?) This deal also leaves the Panthers with almost -0- cap space. Someone above said they would need to cut their other starting DT to make room for McCoy
And does this indicate that the "I want to play for a certain contender" was just a smokescreen? The primary cog for the Panthers, Cam Newton, is just coming off serious shoulder surgery...the kind that cause Andrew Luck to miss a year. And even with him the Vegas over/under for that team was projected as less than both the Browns and Ravens:
Carolina Panthers
- 2019 Win Total: 8 (over +100 /under -120)
- 2018 Wins: 7
Bottom line....he wasn't getting the money he wanted from the AFCN teams, and the incentive laden contract was the best he could do....and maybe the other incentive was to play against the Bucs twice a year. That..I can understand.
So, a couple of questions:
1.What did the Browns offer him, if known? (can we assume it was less than this incentive laden deal? Did the Browns offer an incentive laden deal?) (let more of the smoke clear from our end.It will & it reads as if the Ravens tossed More Money than us..News to me, but McCoy also has a friendship with Newton.. Newton>Lamar.. This deal also leaves the Panthers with almost -0- cap space. Someone above said they would need to cut their other starting DT to make room for McCoy No,read below, they took a different path imo
And does this indicate that the "I want to play for a certain contender" was just a smokescreen? (division familiar, closest to home, but maybe not there next year?)All 3 could contend, but what is believable, am also reading that McCoy likes Ron Rivera as a proven HC, verse Freddie is the unknown) The primary cog for the Panthers, Cam Newton, is just coming off serious shoulder surgery...the kind that cause Andrew Luck to miss a year. (reading anybodies believed medical report is a bad idea..I read Cam is throwing, How well? can't tell ya..Panthers media can't either..
Bottom line....he wasn't getting the money he wanted from the AFCN teams, and the incentive laden contract was the best he could do....and maybe the other incentive was to play against the Bucs twice a year. That..I can understand.
To cut Panthers DT Poe would cost 9.3M..Kwan Short 17M
They choose the other draftable road, in what their seeing in shells & shorts at OTa's..Ron Rivera is a well known gambler..1)Their 1st pick was Brian Burns to replace J.Peppers..2)They are counting big time on their 2nd round pick T Greg Little-Old Miss..Panthers cut T Matt Kalil which took 7.5M off books/a cap hit of 4.9M. Combine this with WR Torrey Smith playing for 2M dollars less at 3M this season.Done over the weekend. 3) Their 3rd pick was QB Will Grier..With McCoy on the books,and related moves, the Panthers own 10K in cap space..Only having to pay two draftee's left A.)T Greg Little B.) DE Brian Burns..they may only squeeze under the cap by what Torrey Smith saved them over the weekend. They will slowly build cap back up getting down to 53..but it's a high risky injury business when jobs become on the line..Da Panthers are living up to Riverboat Ron's calling cards..Just one guys opinion, and they all vary living in Carolina right now.. F'em... Go Browns!! proven by last seasons scoreboard..we own the better talent than the Kitty cats
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ok, 13m for mccoy right now is maybe too steep unless he's willing to restructure. Heres another thought....the 9'ers are looking to moce soloman thomas..forner #3 pick. 2 years left on his rookie deal. 6'3 280 is a nice rotational DE type who could play inside on certain downs. Maybe we can develop him better than SF, i dunno....just a thought.
But we could send duke to SF for him plus more potentially.
ok, 13m for mccoy right now is maybe too steep unless he's willing to restructure. Heres another thought....the 9'ers are looking to moce soloman thomas..forner #3 pick. 2 years left on his rookie deal. 6'3 280 is a nice rotational DE type who could play inside on certain downs. Maybe we can develop him better than SF, i dunno....just a thought.
But we could send duke to SF for him plus more potentially.
It's way too steep for a backup. His Replacements only getting 9 and change.
And I'd rather have Suh.
WSS
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Mccoy wussed out - the weather is a lot nicer down in the Carolinas....lol
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rumor is the Browns offered him 8. They don't know if that was after incentives. And signing with Carolina he gets to play the Bucs twice a year. Ah well, at least he didn't stiff us for the shitbirds. Still tho...i'm not comfortable with our interior D if either Sheldon or Jobi get hurt. I don't want to see Jobi out there playing hurt like he had to last year.
rumor is the Browns offered him 8.
Still tho...i'm not comfortable with our interior D if either Sheldon or Jobi get hurt. I don't want to see Jobi out there playing hurt like he had to last year.
How about Chris Smith?
“Chris Smith can play on the edge, but his value has always been more on the interior over the course of his career. This will be worth keeping an eye on under Steve Wilks as to where they try to utilize him. His box score hasn’t been great there, but his rate for generating pressure has been substantially higher inside.”
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rumor is the Browns offered him 8.
Still tho...i'm not comfortable with our interior D if either Sheldon or Jobi get hurt. I don't want to see Jobi out there playing hurt like he had to last year.
How about Chris Smith?
“Chris Smith can play on the edge, but his value has always been more on the interior over the course of his career. This will be worth keeping an eye on under Steve Wilks as to where they try to utilize him. His box score hasn’t been great there, but his rate for generating pressure has been substantially higher inside.”
How about Chris Smith?
“Chris Smith can play on the edge, but his value has always been more on the interior over the course of his career. This will be worth keeping an eye on under Steve Wilks as to where they try to utilize him. His box score hasn’t been great there, but his rate for generating pressure has been substantially higher inside.”
Glad somone else is mentioning Smith. He, much like Zettel, brings great flexibility to this dline in the mold that both are edge defenders with the strength to move inside in sub packages, passing downs and 4end looks.
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rumor is the Browns offered him 8.
Still tho...i'm not comfortable with our interior D if either Sheldon or Jobi get hurt. I don't want to see Jobi out there playing hurt like he had to last year.
How about Chris Smith?
“Chris Smith can play on the edge, but his value has always been more on the interior over the course of his career. This will be worth keeping an eye on under Steve Wilks as to where they try to utilize him. His box score hasn’t been great there, but his rate for generating pressure has been substantially higher inside.”
How about Chris Smith?
“Chris Smith can play on the edge, but his value has always been more on the interior over the course of his career. This will be worth keeping an eye on under Steve Wilks as to where they try to utilize him. His box score hasn’t been great there, but his rate for generating pressure has been substantially higher inside.”
i prefer smith at DE
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from what am hearing from Duke..How much does DT Damon 'Snacks' Harrison want at Lions? Snacks,is sitting it out in detroit..
from what am hearing from Duke..How much does DT Damon 'Snacks' Harrison want at Lions? Snacks,is sitting it out in detroit..
Wanting a long term contract extension... Not sure the Browns are willing to offer him that.
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How about Chris Smith?
“Chris Smith can play on the edge, but his value has always been more on the interior over the course of his career. This will be worth keeping an eye on under Steve Wilks as to where they try to utilize him. His box score hasn’t been great there, but his rate for generating pressure has been substantially higher inside.”
i prefer smith at DE
i prefer smith at DE
And like Zettel, is his base position. I'm merely saying they offer flexibility along the front by being able to move around.
tell the man he's age 30..just looked..he wants more than 6.7M this season & 1 more season, really pending
You can tell whatever you like to some people - doesn't mean they listen.
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i prefer smith at DE
And like Zettel, is his base position. I'm merely saying they offer flexibility along the front by being able to move around.
tell the man he's age 30..just looked..he wants more than 6.7M this season & 1 more season, really pending
You can tell whatever you like to some people - doesn't mean they listen.
And like Zettel, is his base position. I'm merely saying they offer flexibility along the front by being able to move around.
Smith can move inside on passing downs but im not comfortable with.him full time at DT if one ofvthe other 2 get hurt. That was my point. Love that we have him at DE depth.
As fir zettel...he prob wont make final roster. He's not beating out smith or Avery.
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And like Zettel, is his base position. I'm merely saying they offer flexibility along the front by being able to move around.
Smith can move inside on passing downs but im not comfortable with.him full time at DT if one ofvthe other 2 get hurt. That was my point. Love that we have him at DE depth.
As fir zettel...he prob wont make final roster. He's not beating out smith or Avery.
Smith can move inside on passing downs but im not comfortable with.him full time at DT if one ofvthe other 2 get hurt. That was my point. Love that we have him at DE depth.
As fir zettel...he prob wont make final roster. He's not beating out smith or Avery.
Avery is listed and will be carried on roster as a linebacker - rightfully so. In that regard neither are contending against Avery for a spot.
The ends listed on roster are Myles, Jarrel Owens, Wyatt Ray, Chris Smith, Chad Thomas, Vernon and Zettel.
So you can earkmark Myles & Vernon. Leaving at least two spots open for a 2 deep, then if you're feeling froggy - toss in Avery. Zettel and Smith have shown work in real NFL minutes. The rest are rookies and practice squad players.
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Smith can move inside on passing downs but im not comfortable with.him full time at DT if one ofvthe other 2 get hurt. That was my point. Love that we have him at DE depth.
As fir zettel...he prob wont make final roster. He's not beating out smith or Avery.
Avery is listed and will be carried on roster as a linebacker - rightfully so. In that regard neither are contending against Avery for a spot.
The ends listed on roster are Myles, Jarrel Owens, Wyatt Ray, Chris Smith, Chad Thomas, Vernon and Zettel.
So you can earkmark Myles & Vernon. Leaving at least two spots open for a 2 deep, then if you're feeling froggy - toss in Avery. Zettel and Smith have shown work in real NFL minutes. The rest are rookies and practice squad players.
Avery is listed and will be carried on roster as a linebacker - rightfully so. In that regard neither are contending against Avery for a spot.
The ends listed on roster are Myles, Jarrel Owens, Wyatt Ray, Chris Smith, Chad Thomas, Vernon and Zettel.
So you can earkmark Myles & Vernon. Leaving at least two spots open for a 2 deep, then if you're feeling froggy - toss in Avery. Zettel and Smith have shown work in real NFL minutes. The rest are rookies and practice squad players.
avery is technically labeled as olb'er mainly because he was the edge in gw's 34 packages. Not sure how wilks will use him....but he is absolutely our best pure edge rusher. He's not a 3 down 43 DE......obviously. But he's absolutely ahead on the chart over all those names save smith
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i prefer smith at DE
And like Zettel, is his base position. I'm merely saying they offer flexibility along the front by being able to move around.
tell the man he's age 30..just looked..he wants more than 6.7M this season & 1 more season, really pending
You can tell whatever you like to some people - doesn't mean they listen.
And like Zettel, is his base position. I'm merely saying they offer flexibility along the front by being able to move around.
You can tell whatever you like to some people - doesn't mean they listen.
Well, perhaps under the circumstances, those guys...Zettel and Smith may have to man the middle some.
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And like Zettel, is his base position. I'm merely saying they offer flexibility along the front by being able to move around.
You can tell whatever you like to some people - doesn't mean they listen.
Well, perhaps under the circumstances, those guys...Zettel and Smith may have to man the middle some.
Well, perhaps under the circumstances, those guys...Zettel and Smith may have to man the middle some.
And I'm certain they will when the situation calls for it. But it won't be in the same capacity that Jobi, Sheldon, Davis and Coley are.
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Avery is listed and will be carried on roster as a linebacker - rightfully so. In that regard neither are contending against Avery for a spot.
The ends listed on roster are Myles, Jarrel Owens, Wyatt Ray, Chris Smith, Chad Thomas, Vernon and Zettel.
So you can earkmark Myles & Vernon. Leaving at least two spots open for a 2 deep, then if you're feeling froggy - toss in Avery. Zettel and Smith have shown work in real NFL minutes. The rest are rookies and practice squad players.
avery is technically labeled as olb'er mainly because he was the edge in gw's 34 packages. Not sure how wilks will use him....but he is absolutely our best pure edge rusher. He's not a 3 down 43 DE......obviously. But he's absolutely ahead on the chart over all those names save smith
avery is technically labeled as olb'er mainly because he was the edge in gw's 34 packages. Not sure how wilks will use him....but he is absolutely our best pure edge rusher. He's not a 3 down 43 DE......obviously. But he's absolutely ahead on the chart over all those names save smith
He's labeled as a linebacker because aside from being a 2pt edge rusher, he was used as a classic strong side and drop role at times. He is a linebacker, he just offers a couple different skill sets as a pass rusher we utilize effectively and can align on or off ball.
I think we're speaking a different language but conveying the same things here.
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avery is technically labeled as olb'er mainly because he was the edge in gw's 34 packages. Not sure how wilks will use him....but he is absolutely our best pure edge rusher. He's not a 3 down 43 DE......obviously. But he's absolutely ahead on the chart over all those names save smith
He's labeled as a linebacker because aside from being a 2pt edge rusher, he was used as a classic strong side and drop role at times. He is a linebacker, he just offers a couple different skill sets as a pass rusher we utilize effectively and can align on or off ball.
I think we're speaking a different language but conveying the same things here.
he was used as a classic strong side and drop role at times.
what do u think his future is there? he's kind of short for much coverage duties.....and prob not fast enough to handle rb's coming out of the backfield.
edit: just saw this
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looks like wilks is having him compete for a spot on the line.
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he was used as a classic strong side and drop role at times.
what do u think his future is there? he's kind of short for much coverage duties.....and prob not fast enough to handle rb's coming out of the backfield.
edit: just saw this
what do u think his future is there? he's kind of short for much coverage duties.....and prob not fast enough to handle rb's coming out of the backfield.
edit: just saw this
He'll be a strong side backer in base - less than 10% of our snaps. Then he'll be a 2pt edge rusher the rest of the time.
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