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  • @the-gipper said:

    Your anti  soccer bias is just plain ignorant.  There's truckloads of soccer fans down the road in Columbus who would  tell you the starting lineup of the Crew without  looking  it up. Interest in the Premier  league is growing  exponentially. 

    You consider  soccer boring because frankly  you don't want to  understand  it. Calling  people who like the sport  soccer fags pretty  much nails your bias baseball  fag. That's why American football is of little importance in  say, China.

    I tend to take a wider view of sport than your narrow parochial  vision. LOL if it's not American, it doesn't matter. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    Your anti  soccer bias is just plain ignorant. 

    It is not ignorant...it is just that I don't need to have it shoved down my throat.  And that is exactly what is happening. Maybe I want to shove my lacrosse bias down your collective throats.  Now, that is a real American sport....invented by Native Americans..and one of its best players ever was Jim Brown.

    There's truckloads of soccer fans down the road in Columbus who would  tell you the starting lineup of the Crew without  looking  it up. Interest in the Premier  league is growing  exponentially. 

    Columbus is a minor league market.  They just wanted to have something to keep them amused, since they are not significant enough to have baseball football or basketball.

    You consider  soccer boring because frankly  you don't want to  understand  it.

    Actually, I understand it pretty well.  Well enough to know where changes should be made to make it better.

    Calling  people who like the sport  soccer fags pretty  much nails your bias baseball  fag.

    I learned to call them soccer fags from Zombo. Take it up with him.

    That's why American football is of little importance in  say, China.

    Soccer is not all that important in China.  I mean, badminton and ping pong are more popular.

    I tend to take a wider view of sport than your narrow parochial  vision. LOL if it's not American, it doesn't matter. 

    Perhaps a bit.  I mean, you want to shove foreign BS down our throats....why should we not object to that.  I mean, what next...are you going to protest because McDonald's doesn't sell like snails and frog legs and haggis?

  • Go to most any community park this time of year and see the parking lot filled with cars. Wonder why? That’s all the local kids there playing soccer. Call it what you like but it’s very popular anymore. I bet more American children play soccer now than little league baseball and youth football leagues combined. 

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    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Go to most any community park this time of year and see the parking lot filled with cars. Wonder why? That’s all the local kids there playing soccer. Call it what you like but it’s very popular anymore. I bet more American children play soccer now than little league baseball and youth football leagues combined. 

    Soccer the world's most popular sport, why, it's cheap and easy and has been played in some form going back almost 2,000 years.

    Fun to play, I did in high school as part of our off-season football workouts (more like full contact soccer).

    It's just boring to watch. And this dead horse has been beat to death probably a million times in the USA. 😴

  • Go to most any community park this time of year and see the parking lot filled with cars. Wonder why? That’s all the local kids there playing soccer. Call it what you like but it’s very popular anymore. I bet more American children play soccer now than little league baseball and youth football leagues combined. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Go to most any community park this time of year and see the parking lot filled with cars. Wonder why? That’s all the local kids there playing soccer. Call it what you like but it’s very popular anymore. I bet more American children play soccer now than little league baseball and youth football leagues combined. 

    It IS good cardiovascular.  It IS simple to play....not nearly as much skill level involved.  Hitting a round ball with a round bat is very hard and takes a lot of skill.  And as someone said...it is cheap.  You don't need the equipment that football, baseball, basketball etc. require.  (although..when we were kids, we didn't play football much with any equipment.  Just the ball and a field...didn't even need a goal post.  But, it was violent.  The way the pro soccer players play it, they can get hurt, as they are always banging heads.  The way kids play it...no headers, no bicycle kicks etc. that can cause injury.  Unless you are playing flag or tap football...it is meant to be a contact/collision game.

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    Putting together a professional football, baseball even hockey and basketball team is very expensive in equipment and facilities NOT even counting the salaries.

    Soccer can be played virtually anywhere.

  • Go to most any community park this time of year and see the parking lot filled with cars. Wonder why? That’s all the local kids there playing soccer. Call it what you like but it’s very popular anymore. I bet more American children play soccer now than little league baseball and youth football leagues combined. 

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Go to most any community park this time of year and see the parking lot filled with cars. Wonder why? That’s all the local kids there playing soccer. Call it what you like but it’s very popular anymore. I bet more American children play soccer now than little league baseball and youth football leagues combined. 

    You nailed it ffd. I have no doubt in my mind when all these kids are in their 20s and 30s and the old anti-soccer crowd  croaks, soccer will be  challenging the NFL in popularity here. Said way back in the late  90s when  soccer  was taking off,  we'd eventually have some homegrown stars who could  compete at the highest level. Check. When those who played as kids  started  coaching the junior  play would  improve.  Check. And Gipper is full of  shit  if he thinks there's no talent involved  to play the sport. Check. You need virtually  a marathon  runners  endurance  and plenty of  talent to play the sport  at the highest level.  Ask Chris Collinsworth about  that when a Cincinnati club soccer team creamed a group of the Bengals on a bet.

    @mjp28 said:

    Putting together a professional football, baseball even hockey and basketball team is very expensive in equipment and facilities NOT even counting the salaries.

    Soccer can be played virtually anywhere.

    Probably why soccer is  gaining  in popularity.  Shoes, uniform, and  a field. Ahem- pitch to be proper. 

    Having played hockey, it's probably the  most expensive sport of all  to get involved in.  You're not  only paying for  ice  time, equipment is crazy expensive if you're  not buying  junk. If I wanted to get back to playing goalie on a senior team, I'd be  looking at at least $3,000 in equipment, probably  more. 

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    Go to most any community park this time of year and see the parking lot filled with cars. Wonder why? That’s all the local kids there playing soccer. Call it what you like but it’s very popular anymore. I bet more American children play soccer now than little league baseball and youth football leagues combined. 

    You nailed it ffd. I have no doubt in my mind when all these kids are in their 20s and 30s and the old anti-soccer crowd  croaks, soccer will be  challenging the NFL in popularity here. Said way back in the late  90s when  soccer  was taking off,  we'd eventually have some homegrown stars who could  compete at the highest level. Check. When those who played as kids  started  coaching the junior  play would  improve.  Check. And Gipper is full of  shit  if he thinks there's no talent involved  to play the sport. Check. You need virtually  a marathon  runners  endurance  and plenty of  talent to play the sport  at the highest level.  Ask Chris Collinsworth about  that when a Cincinnati club soccer team creamed a group of the Bengals on a bet.

    @mjp28 said:

    Putting together a professional football, baseball even hockey and basketball team is very expensive in equipment and facilities NOT even counting the salaries.

    Soccer can be played virtually anywhere.

    Probably why soccer is  gaining  in popularity.  Shoes, uniform, and  a field. Ahem- pitch to be proper. 

    Having played hockey, it's probably the  most expensive sport of all  to get involved in.  You're not  only paying for  ice  time, equipment is crazy expensive if you're  not buying  junk. If I wanted to get back to playing goalie on a senior team, I'd be  looking at at least $3,000 in equipment, probably  more. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    You nailed it ffd. I have no doubt in my mind when all these kids are in their 20s and 30s and the old anti-soccer crowd  croaks, soccer will be  challenging the NFL in popularity here. Said way back in the late  90s when  soccer  was taking off,  we'd eventually have some homegrown stars who could  compete at the highest level. Check. When those who played as kids  started  coaching the junior  play would  improve.  Check. And Gipper is full of  shit  if he thinks there's no talent involved  to play the sport. Check. You need virtually  a marathon  runners  endurance  and plenty of  talent to play the sport  at the highest level.  Ask Chris Collinsworth about  that when a Cincinnati club soccer team creamed a group of the Bengals on a bet.

    I never said there was no talent...I said it did not involve the same skill level...at its basic level.   And oh...What was that bet on?  Running distances? No shit Sherlock, that is what soccer is all about...and about all they do...run around all day.  That would be like football players to challenge NBA players to a slam dunk contest.  How about the soccer players challenge the football players to like King of the Hill or Smear the Queer.   See who wins that.

    Probably why soccer is  gaining  in popularity.  Shoes, uniform, and  a field. Ahem- pitch to be proper. 

    Having played hockey, it's probably the  most expensive sport of all  to get involved in.  You're not  only paying for  ice  time, equipment is crazy expensive if you're  not buying  junk. If I wanted to get back to playing goalie on a senior team, I'd be  looking at at least $3,000 in equipment, probably  more. 

    We used to play hockey in the winter on the nearby swamp.  Didn't need any of that.  As long as the ice was frozen.  We played in our boots, no skates. Used sticks we found off trees. Used a rock for a puck and just like an old chair or a bucket for the goal.

  • @hoorta said:

    You nailed it ffd. I have no doubt in my mind when all these kids are in their 20s and 30s and the old anti-soccer crowd  croaks, soccer will be  challenging the NFL in popularity here. Said way back in the late  90s when  soccer  was taking off,  we'd eventually have some homegrown stars who could  compete at the highest level. Check. When those who played as kids  started  coaching the junior  play would  improve.  Check. And Gipper is full of  shit  if he thinks there's no talent involved  to play the sport. Check. You need virtually  a marathon  runners  endurance  and plenty of  talent to play the sport  at the highest level.  Ask Chris Collinsworth about  that when a Cincinnati club soccer team creamed a group of the Bengals on a bet.

    I never said there was no talent...I said it did not involve the same skill level...at its basic level.   And oh...What was that bet on?  Running distances? No shit Sherlock, that is what soccer is all about...and about all they do...run around all day.  That would be like football players to challenge NBA players to a slam dunk contest.  How about the soccer players challenge the football players to like King of the Hill or Smear the Queer.   See who wins that.

    Probably why soccer is  gaining  in popularity.  Shoes, uniform, and  a field. Ahem- pitch to be proper. 

    Having played hockey, it's probably the  most expensive sport of all  to get involved in.  You're not  only paying for  ice  time, equipment is crazy expensive if you're  not buying  junk. If I wanted to get back to playing goalie on a senior team, I'd be  looking at at least $3,000 in equipment, probably  more. 

    We used to play hockey in the winter on the nearby swamp.  Didn't need any of that.  As long as the ice was frozen.  We played in our boots, no skates. Used sticks we found off trees. Used a rock for a puck and just like an old chair or a bucket for the goal.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    I never said there was no talent...I said it did not involve the same skill level...at its basic level.   And oh...What was that bet on?  Running distances? No shit Sherlock, that is what soccer is all about...and about all they do...run around all day.  That would be like football players to challenge NBA players to a slam dunk contest.  How about the soccer players challenge the football players to like King of the Hill or Smear the Queer.   See who wins that.

    We used to play hockey in the winter on the nearby swamp.  Didn't need any of that.  As long as the ice was frozen.  We played in our boots, no skates. Used sticks we found off trees. Used a rock for a puck and just like an old chair or a bucket for the goal.

    It was the Cinci slugs against the Bengals- real soccer match kiddo. Bengals even had their kicker Horst Muhlman who played soccer in Germany as their goalie. The Bengals quit when they were down 10-0. Their far superior athletic ability got trumped by superior talent. In case you're wondering I didn't make this up. I heard it from Collinsworth himself.   Wah, wah. And every pro soccer player would gas 99% of NFL players and do a horizon job on them in a 10k race. You're so anti soccer- why not have soccer players get challenged to a 225 bench press contest with NFL linemen? More selective BS on your part, if you want to pick one facet of ability. 

    Yeah, I learned to play hockey the same way on a frozen pond- but we at least had skates, and real hockey sticks. Some of those guys couldn't skate too well. I'll tell you this- the level of skating now in HS hockey is in a different world than what it was in 1970. And playing organized hockey now entails a significant financial outlay. Just a pair of skates costs at least $150 bucks. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    I never said there was no talent...I said it did not involve the same skill level...at its basic level.   And oh...What was that bet on?  Running distances? No shit Sherlock, that is what soccer is all about...and about all they do...run around all day.  That would be like football players to challenge NBA players to a slam dunk contest.  How about the soccer players challenge the football players to like King of the Hill or Smear the Queer.   See who wins that.

    We used to play hockey in the winter on the nearby swamp.  Didn't need any of that.  As long as the ice was frozen.  We played in our boots, no skates. Used sticks we found off trees. Used a rock for a puck and just like an old chair or a bucket for the goal.

    It was the Cinci slugs against the Bengals- real soccer match kiddo. Bengals even had their kicker Horst Muhlman who played soccer in Germany as their goalie. The Bengals quit when they were down 10-0. Their far superior athletic ability got trumped by superior talent. In case you're wondering I didn't make this up. I heard it from Collinsworth himself.   Wah, wah. And every pro soccer player would gas 99% of NFL players and do a horizon job on them in a 10k race. You're so anti soccer- why not have soccer players get challenged to a 225 bench press contest with NFL linemen? More selective BS on your part, if you want to pick one facet of ability. 

    Yeah, I learned to play hockey the same way on a frozen pond- but we at least had skates, and real hockey sticks. Some of those guys couldn't skate too well. I'll tell you this- the level of skating now in HS hockey is in a different world than what it was in 1970. And playing organized hockey now entails a significant financial outlay. Just a pair of skates costs at least $150 bucks. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    It was the Cinci slugs against the Bengals- real soccer match kiddo. Bengals even had their kicker Horst Muhlman who played soccer in Germany as their goalie. The Bengals quit when they were down 10-0. Their far superior athletic ability got trumped by superior talent. In case you're wondering I didn't make this up. I heard it from Collinsworth himself.   Wah, wah. And every pro soccer player would gas 99% of NFL players and do a horizon job on them in a 10k race. You're so anti soccer- why not have soccer players get challenged to a 225 bench press contest with NFL linemen? More selective BS on your part, if you want to pick one facet of ability. 

    Well...yea.   The professional soccer challenges the football team..at soccer...and surprise, surprise, surprise...the pro soccer players win big.   How about this....the football team plays the soccer team...at football. What do you think would happen?   Mayhem for the soccer team of course.

    Maybe they should have played a baseball game?

    Yeah, I learned to play hockey the same way on a frozen pond- but we at least had skates, and real hockey sticks. Some of those guys couldn't skate too well. I'll tell you this- the level of skating now in HS hockey is in a different world than what it was in 1970. And playing organized hockey now entails a significant financial outlay. Just a pair of skates costs at least $150 bucks. 

    A kids soccer ball costs what?  10-12 bucks?  A baseball costs about 6-7 bucks.  A glove a lot more.  

    A kids football is about 20 bucks.   I checked the prices from Dick's.

  • @hoorta said:

    It was the Cinci slugs against the Bengals- real soccer match kiddo. Bengals even had their kicker Horst Muhlman who played soccer in Germany as their goalie. The Bengals quit when they were down 10-0. Their far superior athletic ability got trumped by superior talent. In case you're wondering I didn't make this up. I heard it from Collinsworth himself.   Wah, wah. And every pro soccer player would gas 99% of NFL players and do a horizon job on them in a 10k race. You're so anti soccer- why not have soccer players get challenged to a 225 bench press contest with NFL linemen? More selective BS on your part, if you want to pick one facet of ability. 

    Well...yea.   The professional soccer challenges the football team..at soccer...and surprise, surprise, surprise...the pro soccer players win big.   How about this....the football team plays the soccer team...at football. What do you think would happen?   Mayhem for the soccer team of course.

    Maybe they should have played a baseball game?

    Yeah, I learned to play hockey the same way on a frozen pond- but we at least had skates, and real hockey sticks. Some of those guys couldn't skate too well. I'll tell you this- the level of skating now in HS hockey is in a different world than what it was in 1970. And playing organized hockey now entails a significant financial outlay. Just a pair of skates costs at least $150 bucks. 

    A kids soccer ball costs what?  10-12 bucks?  A baseball costs about 6-7 bucks.  A glove a lot more.  

    A kids football is about 20 bucks.   I checked the prices from Dick's.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by hoorta
    #32

    @the-gipper said:

    Well...yea.   The professional soccer challenges the football team..at soccer...and surprise, surprise, surprise...the pro soccer players win big.   How about this....the football team plays the soccer team...at football. What do you think would happen?   Mayhem for the soccer team of course.

    Maybe they should have played a baseball game?

    It was low amateur soccer doofus. The point being the Bengal players thought they were hot shit, and soccer players were a bunch of pansies. Just like you apparently do. 😁 

    Just give it up already, you're fighting a losing battle, and the Millennials are going to win it.  It's inevitable as the tide coming in. Baseball used to be "The National Pastime", now for the majority of sports fans it just "passes time" until football starts.  The same could well happen to the NFL- a victim of it's own success. 

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
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    Funny thing....im the last teacher in my high school with a comorehensive science degree...i am certified for all sciences.  Every other teacher is life or earth science.  We have teachers teaching classes they arent even certified for.  I swear I should hold out for a bigger contract...they havent been able to find another certified physics or chem teacher for 2 years.  I should hold out and see what the market offers lol.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well...yea.   The professional soccer challenges the football team..at soccer...and surprise, surprise, surprise...the pro soccer players win big.   How about this....the football team plays the soccer team...at football. What do you think would happen?   Mayhem for the soccer team of course.

    Maybe they should have played a baseball game?

    It was low amateur soccer doofus. The point being the Bengal players thought they were hot shit, and soccer players were a bunch of pansies. Just like you apparently do. 😁 

    Just give it up already, you're fighting a losing battle, and the Millennials are going to win it.  It's inevitable as the tide coming in. Baseball used to be "The National Pastime", now for the majority of sports fans it just "passes time" until football starts.  The same could well happen to the NFL- a victim of it's own success. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    It was low amateur soccer doofus. The point being the Bengal players thought they were hot shit, and soccer players were a bunch of pansies. Just like you apparently do. 😁 

    They were still playing fucking soccer.  And they were still playing a soccer team. Of course the Bengals would lose. If the Bengals challenged the Wittenberg basketball team to a basketball game they would get their hats handed to them. 

    They should have played baseball.

    Just give it up already, you're fighting a losing battle, and the Millennials are going to win it.  It's inevitable as the tide coming in. Baseball used to be "The National Pastime", now for the majority of sports fans it just "passes time" until football starts.  The same could well happen to the NFL- a victim of it's own success. 

    Really.....Average MLB attendance:  28,830 per game....for a game played every day.  MLS...avg attendance...21,692.  for a game played once per week.  

    And Lacrosse may eventually overtake them all.  I have seen something that said they had a 73,000 some crowd for a lacrosse game in Denver.  An outlier, certainly...but maybe a trend.

  • @hoorta said:

    It was low amateur soccer doofus. The point being the Bengal players thought they were hot shit, and soccer players were a bunch of pansies. Just like you apparently do. 😁 

    They were still playing fucking soccer.  And they were still playing a soccer team. Of course the Bengals would lose. If the Bengals challenged the Wittenberg basketball team to a basketball game they would get their hats handed to them. 

    They should have played baseball.

    Just give it up already, you're fighting a losing battle, and the Millennials are going to win it.  It's inevitable as the tide coming in. Baseball used to be "The National Pastime", now for the majority of sports fans it just "passes time" until football starts.  The same could well happen to the NFL- a victim of it's own success. 

    Really.....Average MLB attendance:  28,830 per game....for a game played every day.  MLS...avg attendance...21,692.  for a game played once per week.  

    And Lacrosse may eventually overtake them all.  I have seen something that said they had a 73,000 some crowd for a lacrosse game in Denver.  An outlier, certainly...but maybe a trend.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    As bad as Ghoolie- just have to get the last word in... 

  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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    All you got to do is be around some children to see the future. Not the millennial generation. The youth. Soccer will be the next big thing here. Teens and preteens are flocking to it. It’s been growing and zero sign of it regressing here the past 50 years. And with Goodhell and his idea of the National Feline League, it’s not hard to see what the future of pro sports will be like here in 50 years. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    As bad as Ghoolie- just have to get the last word in... 

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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    @hoorta said:

    As bad as Ghoolie- just have to get the last word in... 

    Yep - see evaluation of kickers from college to pro vs his QB comparison as the same.  LOL!?

    And he will never admit that there was contact of chest to helmet in the roughing the QB call either.?

  • @hoorta said:

    As bad as Ghoolie- just have to get the last word in... 

    Yep - see evaluation of kickers from college to pro vs his QB comparison as the same.  LOL!?

    And he will never admit that there was contact of chest to helmet in the roughing the QB call either.?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    Yep - see evaluation of kickers from college to pro vs his QB comparison as the same.  LOL!?

    And he will never admit that there was contact of chest to helmet in the roughing the QB call either.?

    I said I would have to see the tape again...because I must have missed something.  Show the video. 

    On the other thing...I was just jumping in your shit because you have become Woody like....slavering over every TAMU player that might even see a cup of coffee.   But actually, no, I don't think that just because a punter ...or any other position...is great in college means he will turn out great in the pros.

    I mean, what is the reason you were here in the first place?  Hello Johnny Fucking Football!!

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Yep - see evaluation of kickers from college to pro vs his QB comparison as the same.  LOL!?

    And he will never admit that there was contact of chest to helmet in the roughing the QB call either.?

    I said I would have to see the tape again...because I must have missed something.  Show the video. 

    On the other thing...I was just jumping in your shit because you have become Woody like....slavering over every TAMU player that might even see a cup of coffee.   But actually, no, I don't think that just because a punter ...or any other position...is great in college means he will turn out great in the pros.

    I mean, what is the reason you were here in the first place?  Hello Johnny Fucking Football!!

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    @the-gipper said:

    I said I would have to see the tape again...because I must have missed something.  Show the video. 

    On the other thing...I was just jumping in your shit because you have become Woody like....slavering over every TAMU player that might even see a cup of coffee.   But actually, no, I don't think that just because a punter ...or any other position...is great in college means he will turn out great in the pros.

    I mean, what is the reason you were here in the first place?  Hello Johnny Fucking Football!!

    And he's a QB not a punter. Rest my case.?

  • @the-gipper said:

    I said I would have to see the tape again...because I must have missed something.  Show the video. 

    On the other thing...I was just jumping in your shit because you have become Woody like....slavering over every TAMU player that might even see a cup of coffee.   But actually, no, I don't think that just because a punter ...or any other position...is great in college means he will turn out great in the pros.

    I mean, what is the reason you were here in the first place?  Hello Johnny Fucking Football!!

    And he's a QB not a punter. Rest my case.?

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    And he's a QB not a punter. Rest my case.?

    And a first round draft pick.   😮

  • @the-gipper said:

    I said I would have to see the tape again...because I must have missed something.  Show the video. 

    On the other thing...I was just jumping in your shit because you have become Woody like....slavering over every TAMU player that might even see a cup of coffee.   But actually, no, I don't think that just because a punter ...or any other position...is great in college means he will turn out great in the pros.

    I mean, what is the reason you were here in the first place?  Hello Johnny Fucking Football!!

    And he's a QB not a punter. Rest my case.?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    And he's a QB not a punter. Rest my case.?

    You had no case to make.  The issue is the same, be it QBs or punters.  What one does in college does not necessarily translate to the pros. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    And he's a QB not a punter. Rest my case.?

    You had no case to make.  The issue is the same, be it QBs or punters.  What one does in college does not necessarily translate to the pros. 

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    You had no case to make.  The issue is the same, be it QBs or punters.  What one does in college does not necessarily translate to the pros. 

    Then the proof is up to you. Name me a great college punter who failed in the NFL.

  • @the-gipper said:

    You had no case to make.  The issue is the same, be it QBs or punters.  What one does in college does not necessarily translate to the pros. 

    Then the proof is up to you. Name me a great college punter who failed in the NFL.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
    #43

    @texasag1969 said:

    Then the proof is up to you. Name me a great college punter who failed in the NFL.

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    4 Quinn Sharp* 45.9 2009 2012 Oklahoma State
    5 Mitch Wishnowsky* 45.7 2016 2018 Utah
    6 JK Scott* 45.6 2014 2017 Alabama
    7 Drew Butler* 45.4 2008 2011 Georgia
    8 Matt Payne 45.4 2001 2004 Brigham Young
    9 Michael Dickson* 45.3 2015 2017 Texas
    10 Durant Brooks* 45.3 2006 2007 Georgia Tech
    11 Ryan Plackemeier* 45.3 2002 2005 Wake Forest
    12 Daniel Sepulveda 45.2 2003 2006 Baylor
    13 Joseph Davidson* 45.2 2015 2017 Bowling Green State
    14 Tom Hackett* 45.2 2012 2015 Utah
    15 Brandon Fields* 45 2003 2006 Michigan State
    16 Cameron Johnston* 44.9 2013 2016 Ohio State
    17 John Torp* 44.9 2002 2005 Colorado
    18 Ryan Allen* 44.9 2010 2012 Louisiana Tech
    19 Dalton Schomp 44.9 2014 2016 Florida Atlantic
    20 Rigoberto Sanchez* 44.8 2015 2016 Hawaii
    21 Bobby Cowan* 44.7 2009 2012 Idaho
    22 Tyler Campbell* 44.6 2009 2013 Ole Miss
    23 Chris Miller* 44.5 2005 2008 Ball State
    24 Nicholas Conte 44.5 2015 2016 Virginia
    25 Glenn Pakulak 44.4 2000 2002 Kentucky
    26 Ian Campbell* 44.4 2010 2012 UTEP
    27 Michael Carrizosa* 44.4 2014 2017 San Jose State
    28 Justin Brantly* 44.4 2005 2008 Texas A&M
    29 Shane Tripucka* 44.3 2015 2017 Texas A&M
    30 Joel Stelly 44.3 2002 2005 Louisiana-Monroe
    31 Jeff Locke* 44.2 2009 2012 UCLA
    32 Shawn Powell* 44.2 2008 2011 Florida State
    33 Eric Keena* 44.2 2014 2016 North Texas
    34 Brooks Barnard* 44.1 1999 2002 Maryland
    35 Sam Koch 44 2004 2005 Nebraska
    Rk Player Avg From To School
    36 Tom Malone* 44 2002 2005 USC
    37 Tyler Newsome* 44 2015 2018 Notre Dame
    38 Drew Riggleman* 44 2013 2015 Arizona
    39 Jim Kaylor* 44 2004 2007 Colorado State
      Jimmie Kaylor* 44 2004 2007 Colorado State
    41 Peter Mortell* 44 2012 2015 Minnesota
    42 Hunter Mullins 44 2011 2014 UAB
    43 Trevor Hankins 44 2008 2010 Arizona State
    44 Trevor Pardula 44 2013 2014 Kansas
    45 Tress Way* 44 2009 2012 Oklahoma
    46 Tyler Williams* 43.9 2012 2015 Marshall
    47 Cayle Chapman-Brown 43.9 2012 2013 New Mexico State
    48 Nick O'Toole* 43.9 2013 2015 West Virginia
    49 Trey Barrow* 43.9 2010 2012 Missouri
    50 Kody Bliss* 43.9 2003 2006 Auburn
    51 Sean Sellwood* 43.8 2009 2012 Utah
    52 Hayden Hunt* 43.8 2013 2016 Colorado State
    53 Jake Bailey* 43.8 2015 2018 Stanford
    54 Brandon Wright* 43.8 2015 2019 Georgia State
    55 Jeff Ferguson* 43.8 1998 2001 Oklahoma
    56 Pete Kontodiakos 43.8 2009 2012 Colorado State
    57 Corey Fatony* 43.8 2015 2018 Missouri
    58 Pat McAfee* 43.7 2005 2008 West Virginia
    59 Kyle Christy* 43.7 2011 2014 Florida
    60 Spencer Roth* 43.7 2011 2014 Baylor
    61 Stefan Flintoft* 43.7 2015 2018 UCLA
    62 Kyle Larson* 43.7 2001 2003 Nebraska
    63 Matt Dodge* 43.6 2007 2009 East Carolina
    64 Chase Turner* 43.5 2007 2009 Houston
    65 Steve Weatherford 43.5 2002 2005 Illinois
    66 Damon Duval* 43.5 1999 2002 Auburn
    67 Bryan Anger* 43.5 2008 2011 California
    68 Will Monday* 43.5 2012 2015 Duke
    69 Jack Fox 43.4 2015 2018 Rice
    70 Spencer Smith* 43.4 2014 2017 Memphis
    Rk Player Avg From To School
    71 Thomas Morstead 43.4 2006 2008 SMU
    72 Alex Reyes* 43.3 2003 2006 Texas Tech
    73 Blake Gillikin* 43.3 2016 2019 Penn State
    74 Alex Boy* 43.3 2014 2016 Nevada
    75 Rob Long* 43.3 2007 2010 Syracuse
    76 Alan Luna 43.3 2015 2017 UTEP
    77 Richie Leone* 43.2 2010 2013 Houston
    78 Tom Hornsey 43.1 2010 2013 Memphis
    79 Adam Podlesh* 43.1 2003 2006 Maryland
    80 Jeremy Boone* 43.1 2006 2009 Penn State
    81 Harrison Waid* 43.1 2010 2013 San Jose State
    82 Sean Kelly* 43.1 2013 2016 South Carolina
    83 Justin Vogel* 43 2014 2016 Miami (FL)
    84 Matt Haack* 43 2013 2016 Arizona State
    85 Chris Kluwe* 43 2001 2004 UCLA
      Tim Parker* 43 2002 2003 Arizona State
    87 Lumi Kaba 43 2015 2016 Texas State
    88 Nate Fikse* 43 1999 2002 UCLA
    89 Worth Gregory* 43 2014 2016 East Carolina
    90 Cody Webster* 43 2010 2013 Purdue
    91 Kyle Martens* 43 2008 2011 Rice
    92 Chas Henry* 43 2007 2010 Florida
    93 Lester Coleman* 42.9 2015 2018 Virginia
    94 Brian Stahovich* 42.9 2008 2011 San Diego State
    95 Sterling Hofrichter* 42.9 2015 2019 Syracuse
    96 Richard Kent* 42.9 2010 2012 Vanderbilt
    97 Billy Vinnedge 42.9 2006 2007 Wyoming
    98 Riley Stephenson* 42.9 2009 2012 Brigham Young
    99 Austin Barnes* 42.9 2013 2017 East Carolina
    100 Dylan Breeding* 42.9 2009 2012 Arkansas
    101 Eric Wilbur* 42.9 2003 2006 Florida
    102 Scott Arellano* 42.9 2013 2014 Brigham Young
    103 Brian Simnjanovski 42.8 2000 2002 San Diego State
    104 Sean Douglas 42.8 2003 2006 Washington
    105 Sean Wale* 42.7 2013 2016 Boise State
    Rk Player Avg From To School
    106 Derek Epperson* 42.7 2007 2010 Baylor
    107 Reid Forrest 42.7 2007 2010 Washington State
    108 Jacob Richardson 42.7 2005 2008 Miami (OH)
    109 Luke Johnson* 42.7 2003 2005 Southern Mississippi
    110 Aaron Perez* 42.7 2005 2008 UCLA
    111 Darragh O'Neill 42.7 2011 2014 Colorado
    112 Jonny Linehan* 42.7 2015 2017 Brigham Young
    113 Sam Paulescu* 42.7 2004 2005 Oregon State
    114 Blake Hayes 42.7 2017 2019 Illinois
    115 Ryan Dougherty* 42.7 2003 2006 East Carolina
    116 Jonathan Kilgo* 42.7 1999 2002 Georgia
    117 Corliss Waitman* 42.7 2015 2019 Mississippi State
    118 Owen Tolson 42.7 2005 2007 Army
    119 Spencer Lanning* 42.6 2007 2010 South Carolina
    120 Riley Dixon* 42.6 2012 2015 Syracuse
    121 John Skaggs* 42.6 2001 2003 Navy
    122 Jamie Keehn* 42.6 2012 2015 LSU
    123 Sam Foltz* 42.6 2013 2015 Nebraska
    124 Dom Maggio* 42.6 2016 2019 Wake Forest
    125 Steven Coutts* 42.6 2015 2019 California
    126 Britton Colquitt* 42.6 2005 2008 Tennessee
    127 Dustin Colquitt* 42.6 2001 2004 Tennessee
    128 Brendan Carney* 42.6 2003 2006 Syracuse
    129 Adam Graessle* 42.6 2004 2006 Pitt
      Cody Mandell* 42.6 2010 2013 Alabama
    131 Mattias Ciabatti* 42.5 2012 2015 South Florida
    132 Michael Such* 42.5 2007 2010 Tulsa
    133 Curtis Head* 42.5 1999 2002 Marshall
    134 Oscar Bradburn* 42.5 2017 2019 Virginia Tech
    135 Mason King* 42.5 2015 2019 Louisville
    136 Kenneth Debauche* 42.5 2004 2007 Wisconsin
    137 Zoltan Mesko* 42.5 2006 2009 Michigan
    138 Cole Farden* 42.5 2002 2004 Oklahoma State
    139 Michael Hughes 42.5 2004 2007 San Diego State
    140 Chris Beckman 42.4 2003 2006 Tulane
    Rk Player Avg From To School
    141 Logan Tyler* 42.4 2016 2019 Florida State
    142 Andy Lee* 42.4 2000 2003 Pitt
    143 Kirby Van Der Kamp* 42.4 2010 2013 Iowa State
    144 Brian Schmiedebusch* 42.4 2011 2013 Bowling Green State
    145 Mike Abrams 42.4 1999 2001 Virginia
    146 Keenyn Crier* 42.4 2007 2010 Arizona
    147 Pat O'Donnell* 42.4 2009 2012 Cincinnati
    148 Nick Walsh* 42.3 2014 2017 Kansas State
    149 Adam Wulfeck* 42.3 1998 2001 Cincinnati
    150 Kyle Stringer* 42.3 2003 2006 Boise State
    151 Kyle Basler* 42.3 2002 2005 Washington State
    152 Anthony Melchiori* 42.3 2012 2015 Kent State
    153 Tony Yelk* 42.3 2000 2005 Iowa State
    154 Brandon McKee* 42.3 2013 2016 South Alabama
    155 Matt Fodge* 42.3 2005 2008 Oklahoma State
    156 Brett Kern* 42.3 2004 2007 Toledo
    157 Tim Reyer* 42.3 2004 2007 Kansas State
    158 Mat McBriar* 42.2 2000 2002 Hawaii
    159 A.J. Cole III* 42.2 2015 2018 North Carolina State
    160 Zach Sinor* 42.2 2015 2018 Oklahoma State
    161 James Farrimond* 42.2 2012 2015 Rice
    162 Mike Sadler* 42.2 2011 2014 Michigan State
    163 Alex Henery* 42.2 2007 2010 Nebraska
    164 Logan Laurent 42.2 2014 2017 Massachusetts
    165 Will Hagerup* 42.2 2010 2014 Michigan
    166 Kyle Hughes 42.2 2008 2009 New Mexico State
    167 Brent Bowden* 42.2 2007 2009 Virginia Tech
    168 Will Gleeson* 42.2 2014 2017 Ole Miss
    169 Graham Gano* 42.1 2006 2008 Florida State
    170 Brad Nortman* 42.1 2008 2011 Wisconsin
    171 Bentlee Critcher* 42.1 2014 2016 Appalachian State
    172 Danny Baugher 42.1 2002 2005 Arizona
    173 Jake Hartbarger* 42.1 2015 2019 Michigan State
    174 Cody Ridgeway* 42.1 2001 2004 Ole Miss
    175 Louie Sakoda* 42.1 2005 2008 Utah
    Rk Player Avg From To School
    176 Ryan Winslow* 42.1 2014 2017 Pitt
    177 Drew Galitz* 42.1 2015 2018 Baylor
    178 Luke Donovan 42.1 2001 2003 Wyoming
    179 Freddie Capshaw* 42.1 1999 2002 Miami (FL)
    180 Mickey Groody 42.1 2007 2011 Florida Atlantic
    181 Donnie Jones* 42.1 2000 2003 LSU
    182 Alex Dunnachie* 42 2009 2012 Hawaii
    183 Carlos Munera 42 2008 2009 Florida International
    184 Korey Durkee* 42 2012 2015 Washington
    185 Matt Yoklic* 42 2011 2013 Pitt
    186 Jackson Rice* 42 2009 2012 Oregon
    187 Preston Gruening* 42 2000 2002 Minnesota
    188 T.J. Conley 42 2005 2008 Idaho
    189 Ross Thevenot 42 2006 2009 Tulane
    190 Caleb Houston* 42 2013 2016 UCF
    191 Jared Cook 42 2001 2004 Mississippi State
    192 Adam Stiles 42 2000 2001 Baylor
    193 Aaron Bates* 42 2007 2010 Michigan State
    194 Peter Caldwell 41.9 2007 2010 Utah State
    195 Zach Paul* 41.9 2012 2015 Akron
    196 J.J. Standring* 41.9 1998 2001 Northwestern
    197 Ben Skaer 41.9 2010 2013 New Mexico
    198 Ryan Donahue* 41.9 2007 2010 Iowa
    199 Ryan Tydlacka* 41.9 2008 2011 Kentucky
    200 Adam Finley* 41.9 2001 2004 Michigan
    201 Ryan Erxleben* 41.9 2009 2013 Texas Tech
    202 Garrett Swanson* 41.8 2012 2015 Fresno State
    203 Kaare Vedvik* 41.8 2014 2017 Marshall
    204 Trey Ragland 41.8 2008 2011 UAB
    205 Teddy Dellaganna* 41.8 2008 2010 Rutgers
    206 Pablo Beltran* 41.8 2011 2014 Navy
    207 A.J. Hughes* 41.8 2012 2015 Virginia Tech
    208 Alexander Kinal 41.8 2012 2015 Wake Forest
    209 Ryan Santoso* 41.8 2014 2017 Minnesota
    210 Mark Haulman* 41.8 1999 2002 Southern Mississippi
    Rk Player Avg From To School
    211 Jed Barnett* 41.8 2013 2014 Oklahoma
    212 David Wooldridge* 41.8 2003 2006 North Carolina
    213 Matt Rinehart 41.8 2008 2011 Kent State
    214 Zac Murphy* 41.8 2010 2013 Miami (OH)
    215 Landon Foster 41.8 2012 2015 Kentucky
    216 Jeremy Kapinos* 41.8 2003 2006 Penn State
    217 Steve Mullins 41.7 1999 2002 Utah State
    218 Josh Davis* 41.7 2010 2013 Middle Tennessee State
    219 Anthony Fera* 41.7 2010 2013 Texas
    220 Chad Cunningham* 41.7 2007 2010 Tennessee
    221 Derek Adams 41.7 2016 2019 Kent State
    222 Matt Bosher* 41.7 2007 2010 Miami (FL)
    223 Logan Cooke* 41.7 2014 2017 Mississippi State
    224 Austin Seibert* 41.7 2015 2018 Oklahoma
    225 Baker Swedenburg* 41.7 2011 2013 Mississippi State
    226 Cason Beatty* 41.6 2012 2015 Florida State
    227 Alex Kinney* 41.6 2015 2019 Colorado
    228 Justin Duvernois* 41.6 2011 2014 Illinois
    229 Thomas Hibbard* 41.6 2011 2014 North Carolina
    230 Ethan Wood* 41.6 2013 2016 Wyoming
    231 Yannis Routsas* 41.6 2015 2018 UTSA
    232 Ross Stewart 41.6 2000 2002 UAB
    233 Cody Scates 41.6 2000 2003 Texas A&M
    234 Alec Vozenilek 41.5 2012 2014 Virginia
    235 Logan Yunker* 41.5 2013 2015 UNLV
    236 Richie Butler* 41.5 1999 2002 Arkansas
    237 Austin Parker* 41.5 2015 2019 Duke
    238 Richie Hogan* 41.5 2010 2013 Central Michigan
    239 Will Atterberry 41.5 2009 2012 North Texas
    240 Thomas Olmsted* 41.5 2002 2005 Troy
    241 Alonso Rojas* 41.5 2008 2010 Kansas
    242 Dane Roy* 41.5 2016 2019 Houston
    243 Clinton Durst* 41.5 2008 2009 Auburn
    244 Chase Lansford 41.5 2011 2012 UNLV
    245 Jack Sheldon* 41.4 2016 2018 Central Michigan
    246 Jared Scruggs 41.4 2003 2006 Rice
    247 Michael Farkas* 41.4 2015 2019 Ohio
    248 Peyton Theisler* 41.4 2016 2019 New Mexico State
    249 Jake Collins* 41.3 2015 2017 Western Kentucky
    250 Kyle Kramer* 41.3 2015 2019 Miami (OH)

    Here you go take your pick.

    And here are the all time leading NFL punters.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/punt_yds_per_punt_career.htm

    Knock yourself out.   I see very little overlap.