Freddie Close To Being Fired ?
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The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened? Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018. He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.
The new receiving corp except maybe for the early injury to the key TE is better on paper. Chubb has been outstanding as a part of the offense so no apparent reason there. Undisclosed or hidden injuries? Coaching changes or game management? Is the OL that bad? Or could it be off-field distractions.....hmmmmm.
I've never really bought the "sophomore jinx" excuse a player should be better from year 1 to 2.
Or will a few victories In a row somehow cure this and we'll go back to talking about winning the division or wild card spots?
I don't think that we have the answers that lies with the FO, coaches and players themselves.
GO BROWNS, just win something.....baby!
That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened? Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018. He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.
This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
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Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?"
Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!)
The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
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Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?"
Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!)
The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies. Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him.
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The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies. Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him.
Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies. Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him.
There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit. The call up wonders slump rather quickly.
Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.
Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.
Time will tell we just have to live through it.
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Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies. Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him.
There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit. The call up wonders slump rather quickly.
Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.
Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.
Time will tell we just have to live through it.
There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit. The call up wonders slump rather quickly.
Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.
Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.
Time will tell we just have to live through it.
He is missing because he's pressing and his feet aren't under him. That is caused partly by being not trusting what his eyes are seeing. For every time he has missed on a throw on "nfl open" throws there are two times where he is making the wrong read and missing wide open guys. Usually those guys are running over the middle.
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There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit. The call up wonders slump rather quickly.
Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.
Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.
Time will tell we just have to live through it.
He is missing because he's pressing and his feet aren't under him. That is caused partly by being not trusting what his eyes are seeing. For every time he has missed on a throw on "nfl open" throws there are two times where he is making the wrong read and missing wide open guys. Usually those guys are running over the middle.
He is missing because he's pressing and his feet aren't under him. That is caused partly by being not trusting what his eyes are seeing. For every time he has missed on a throw on "nfl open" throws there are two times where he is making the wrong read and missing wide open guys. Usually those guys are running over the middle.
The pick he threw in the end zone was a good example of his feet messed up. So frustrating.
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Freddie says: "go ahead and try to fire me"....but you had better never go to sleep:
Tis the season!
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That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened? Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018. He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.
This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.
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Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?"
Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!)
The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
its amazing....we should be building on what happened during the second half of last season.....now we look as bad as any coaching regime we have had since the comeback....very disappointing......
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This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.
In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.
our d is not playing well at all....i think last i looked we were ranked 30th or something like that.....2 starting d's not playing because of injury does not make us 30th because they are out.....our front 7 except for garrett sucks big time....
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That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened? Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018. He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.
This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
only thing i can think of is the changing of the coaches...freddie cannot concentrate on baker like he did last yr and he was a good oc....we have a new oc...i think ol coach....freddie has too much responsibility now that he is hc....i don't know, nothing else makes sense to me....
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In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.
our d is not playing well at all....i think last i looked we were ranked 30th or something like that.....2 starting d's not playing because of injury does not make us 30th because they are out.....our front 7 except for garrett sucks big time....
our d is not playing well at all....i think last i looked we were ranked 30th or something like that.....2 starting d's not playing because of injury does not make us 30th because they are out.....our front 7 except for garrett sucks big time....
maybe wilks will get a clue and play in a 4-3 every now and then
wasnt takitaki supposed to be good against the run ? cause i believe thats where we seem to be getting killed at
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This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
only thing i can think of is the changing of the coaches...freddie cannot concentrate on baker like he did last yr and he was a good oc....we have a new oc...i think ol coach....freddie has too much responsibility now that he is hc....i don't know, nothing else makes sense to me....
only thing i can think of is the changing of the coaches...freddie cannot concentrate on baker like he did last yr and he was a good oc....we have a new oc...i think ol coach....freddie has too much responsibility now that he is hc....i don't know, nothing else makes sense to me....
Tony Grossi stated it succinctly: We lost Freddie the OC when we made him the HC.
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Maybe should have brought in Josh McDaniels
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I question the Kitchen when it makes the same meal 2 times in a row. I wonder if Baker will ever mature? If the team is destroyed next game, it is only a matter of time. All this talent with Cam Newton and a real head coach?
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I believe there are seven first year head coaches, and all of them are about 2-4 or worse.
except for Green Bay.
It takes time and talent. Kitchens has the talent to inspire the team hugely.
They have played like it. Kitchens stays.
Gregg Williams - 33-0 loss. I'll keep Kitchens.
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Freddie says: "go ahead and try to fire me"....but you had better never go to sleep:
Tis the season!
Freddie says: "go ahead and try to fire me"....but you had better never go to sleep:
Tis the season!
awesome
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I believe there are seven first year head coaches, and all of them are about 2-4 or worse.
except for Green Bay.
It takes time and talent. Kitchens has the talent to inspire the team hugely.
They have played like it. Kitchens stays.
Gregg Williams - 33-0 loss. I'll keep Kitchens.
I believe there are seven first year head coaches, and all of them are about 2-4 or worse.
except for Green Bay.
It takes time and talent. Kitchens has the talent to inspire the team hugely.
They have played like it. Kitchens stays.
Gregg Williams - 33-0 loss. I'll keep Kitchens.
was not all williams fault....jets qb played awful...put their d in bad situations....plus it was the pats....if it was us, jets would not have been shutout and our woeful redzone offense would not have scored anywhere near 33 pts......kitchens has some talent on offense...the ol stinks so he does not have all the talent that you think he has because with all these so called skilled players, they ain't doin shit except for chubb....until we fix the ol, we have limited talent there....
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Maybe should have brought in Josh McDaniels
Maybe should have brought in Josh McDaniels
awesome point there but i don't think the pats organization will let him go.....if he gets an offer, the pats will match it and then some to keep him...i know i would...
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