Freddie Close To Being Fired ?
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Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?"
Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!)
The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.
its amazing....we should be building on what happened during the second half of last season.....now we look as bad as any coaching regime we have had since the comeback....very disappointing......
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This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.
In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.
our d is not playing well at all....i think last i looked we were ranked 30th or something like that.....2 starting d's not playing because of injury does not make us 30th because they are out.....our front 7 except for garrett sucks big time....
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That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened? Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018. He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.
This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
only thing i can think of is the changing of the coaches...freddie cannot concentrate on baker like he did last yr and he was a good oc....we have a new oc...i think ol coach....freddie has too much responsibility now that he is hc....i don't know, nothing else makes sense to me....
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In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.
our d is not playing well at all....i think last i looked we were ranked 30th or something like that.....2 starting d's not playing because of injury does not make us 30th because they are out.....our front 7 except for garrett sucks big time....
our d is not playing well at all....i think last i looked we were ranked 30th or something like that.....2 starting d's not playing because of injury does not make us 30th because they are out.....our front 7 except for garrett sucks big time....
maybe wilks will get a clue and play in a 4-3 every now and then
wasnt takitaki supposed to be good against the run ? cause i believe thats where we seem to be getting killed at
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This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year?
Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers.
only thing i can think of is the changing of the coaches...freddie cannot concentrate on baker like he did last yr and he was a good oc....we have a new oc...i think ol coach....freddie has too much responsibility now that he is hc....i don't know, nothing else makes sense to me....
only thing i can think of is the changing of the coaches...freddie cannot concentrate on baker like he did last yr and he was a good oc....we have a new oc...i think ol coach....freddie has too much responsibility now that he is hc....i don't know, nothing else makes sense to me....
Tony Grossi stated it succinctly: We lost Freddie the OC when we made him the HC.
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Maybe should have brought in Josh McDaniels
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I question the Kitchen when it makes the same meal 2 times in a row. I wonder if Baker will ever mature? If the team is destroyed next game, it is only a matter of time. All this talent with Cam Newton and a real head coach?
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I believe there are seven first year head coaches, and all of them are about 2-4 or worse.
except for Green Bay.
It takes time and talent. Kitchens has the talent to inspire the team hugely.
They have played like it. Kitchens stays.
Gregg Williams - 33-0 loss. I'll keep Kitchens.
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Freddie says: "go ahead and try to fire me"....but you had better never go to sleep:
Tis the season!
Freddie says: "go ahead and try to fire me"....but you had better never go to sleep:
Tis the season!
awesome
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I believe there are seven first year head coaches, and all of them are about 2-4 or worse.
except for Green Bay.
It takes time and talent. Kitchens has the talent to inspire the team hugely.
They have played like it. Kitchens stays.
Gregg Williams - 33-0 loss. I'll keep Kitchens.
I believe there are seven first year head coaches, and all of them are about 2-4 or worse.
except for Green Bay.
It takes time and talent. Kitchens has the talent to inspire the team hugely.
They have played like it. Kitchens stays.
Gregg Williams - 33-0 loss. I'll keep Kitchens.
was not all williams fault....jets qb played awful...put their d in bad situations....plus it was the pats....if it was us, jets would not have been shutout and our woeful redzone offense would not have scored anywhere near 33 pts......kitchens has some talent on offense...the ol stinks so he does not have all the talent that you think he has because with all these so called skilled players, they ain't doin shit except for chubb....until we fix the ol, we have limited talent there....
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Maybe should have brought in Josh McDaniels
Maybe should have brought in Josh McDaniels
awesome point there but i don't think the pats organization will let him go.....if he gets an offer, the pats will match it and then some to keep him...i know i would...
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Maybe should have brought in Josh McDaniels
awesome point there but i don't think the pats organization will let him go.....if he gets an offer, the pats will match it and then some to keep him...i know i would...
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We fired 2 head coaches in 1 year.
After that perspective HC's ran for the woods when they heard Haslam wanted to talk to them.
We were just starting to climb out from under that stigma......and now some of us want to fire a new HC after 6 games?!?
It's Freddy's fault that Callaway turns a TD reception standing at the goal line into an int out to the 50?
It's Freddy's fault that Hilliard lets a ball go through his hands and into the hands of a defender to end the game? Of course, people blame him for throwing it to Hilliard at all. And that it should ALWAYS be thrown to OBJ or Landry....or else run Chubb.
- Here's what I haven't at all liked from Freddie: The draw play on 4th & 9. Of course, if it would've gotten 10 yards he'd have been hailed as a genius. I didn't like it.
- Most didn't like his plan to score a TD, use his TO's to force Seattle to punt, and then come down and score again, all within 1:45 of the half. Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, or that your RB is gonna fumble)
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
We fired 2 head coaches in 1 year.
After that perspective HC's ran for the woods when they heard Haslam wanted to talk to them.
Bruce Arians was available and was interested. He has lots of talent.
We were just starting to climb out from under that stigma......and now some of us want to fire a new HC after 6 games?!?
It's Freddy's fault that Callaway turns a TD reception standing at the goal line into an int out to the 50?
Agreed on that.
It's Freddy's fault that Hilliard lets a ball go through his hands and into the hands of a defender to end the game? Of course, people blame him for throwing it to Hilliard at all. And that it should ALWAYS be thrown to OBJ or Landry....or else run Chubb.
- Here's what I haven't at all liked from Freddie: The draw play on 4th & 9. Of course, if it would've gotten 10 yards he'd have been hailed as a genius. I didn't like it.
- Most didn't like his plan to score a TD, use his TO's to force Seattle to punt, and then come down and score again, all within 1:45 of the half. Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, or that your RB is gonna fumble)
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
Baker's throwing is clearly off. We can see it in many games. Not sure if it's him or the receivers or both. It concerns me with all this talent, but our record is 2-4 right now. Any quality coach would find ways to work around a ineffective oline. He's being used by smarter coaches and unless i'm wrong, we'll continue to see it. And I hope i am
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We fired 2 head coaches in 1 year.
After that perspective HC's ran for the woods when they heard Haslam wanted to talk to them.
Bruce Arians was available and was interested. He has lots of talent.
We were just starting to climb out from under that stigma......and now some of us want to fire a new HC after 6 games?!?
It's Freddy's fault that Callaway turns a TD reception standing at the goal line into an int out to the 50?
Agreed on that.
It's Freddy's fault that Hilliard lets a ball go through his hands and into the hands of a defender to end the game? Of course, people blame him for throwing it to Hilliard at all. And that it should ALWAYS be thrown to OBJ or Landry....or else run Chubb.
- Here's what I haven't at all liked from Freddie: The draw play on 4th & 9. Of course, if it would've gotten 10 yards he'd have been hailed as a genius. I didn't like it.
- Most didn't like his plan to score a TD, use his TO's to force Seattle to punt, and then come down and score again, all within 1:45 of the half. Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, or that your RB is gonna fumble)
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
Baker's throwing is clearly off. We can see it in many games. Not sure if it's him or the receivers or both. It concerns me with all this talent, but our record is 2-4 right now. Any quality coach would find ways to work around a ineffective oline. He's being used by smarter coaches and unless i'm wrong, we'll continue to see it. And I hope i am
Baker's throwing is clearly off. We can see it in many games. Not sure if it's him or the receivers or both. It concerns me with all this talent, but our record is 2-4 right now. Any quality coach would find ways to work around a ineffective oline. He's being used by smarter coaches and unless i'm wrong, we'll continue to see it. And I hope i am
....man, I wish I had a good argument against any of that. Except to say that the QB is a 2nd year player and the HC is a rookie HC.
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our d is not playing well at all....i think last i looked we were ranked 30th or something like that.....2 starting d's not playing because of injury does not make us 30th because they are out.....our front 7 except for garrett sucks big time....
maybe wilks will get a clue and play in a 4-3 every now and then
wasnt takitaki supposed to be good against the run ? cause i believe thats where we seem to be getting killed at
maybe wilks will get a clue and play in a 4-3 every now and then
wasnt takitaki supposed to be good against the run ? cause i believe thats where we seem to be getting killed at
yeah, something is going on...we should not look as bad as we do....your point on running a 4/3 every now and then is a good idea in my opinion...why not, nothing else is working...
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We fired 2 head coaches in 1 year.
After that perspective HC's ran for the woods when they heard Haslam wanted to talk to them.
Bruce Arians was available and was interested. He has lots of talent.
We were just starting to climb out from under that stigma......and now some of us want to fire a new HC after 6 games?!?
It's Freddy's fault that Callaway turns a TD reception standing at the goal line into an int out to the 50?
Agreed on that.
It's Freddy's fault that Hilliard lets a ball go through his hands and into the hands of a defender to end the game? Of course, people blame him for throwing it to Hilliard at all. And that it should ALWAYS be thrown to OBJ or Landry....or else run Chubb.
- Here's what I haven't at all liked from Freddie: The draw play on 4th & 9. Of course, if it would've gotten 10 yards he'd have been hailed as a genius. I didn't like it.
- Most didn't like his plan to score a TD, use his TO's to force Seattle to punt, and then come down and score again, all within 1:45 of the half. Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, or that your RB is gonna fumble)
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
Baker's throwing is clearly off. We can see it in many games. Not sure if it's him or the receivers or both. It concerns me with all this talent, but our record is 2-4 right now. Any quality coach would find ways to work around a ineffective oline. He's being used by smarter coaches and unless i'm wrong, we'll continue to see it. And I hope i am
Baker's throwing is clearly off. We can see it in many games. Not sure if it's him or the receivers or both. It concerns me with all this talent, but our record is 2-4 right now. Any quality coach would find ways to work around a ineffective oline. He's being used by smarter coaches and unless i'm wrong, we'll continue to see it. And I hope i am
he's made some bad throws no doubt....but as you say, receivers have something to do with it also and probably the oc....ol line blocking issue is definetly another issue....it all adds up....i don't know if we can correct all of the issues at once...we'll see...it's do or die time....
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Baker's throwing is clearly off. We can see it in many games. Not sure if it's him or the receivers or both. It concerns me with all this talent, but our record is 2-4 right now. Any quality coach would find ways to work around a ineffective oline. He's being used by smarter coaches and unless i'm wrong, we'll continue to see it. And I hope i am
....man, I wish I had a good argument against any of that. Except to say that the QB is a 2nd year player and the HC is a rookie HC.
....man, I wish I had a good argument against any of that. Except to say that the QB is a 2nd year player and the HC is a rookie HC.
good point....only problem with that is we have players that are not going to put up with it very long....if that starts to go out of control....look out below....
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maybe wilks will get a clue and play in a 4-3 every now and then
wasnt takitaki supposed to be good against the run ? cause i believe thats where we seem to be getting killed at
yeah, something is going on...we should not look as bad as we do....your point on running a 4/3 every now and then is a good idea in my opinion...why not, nothing else is working...
yeah, something is going on...we should not look as bad as we do....your point on running a 4/3 every now and then is a good idea in my opinion...why not, nothing else is working...
I thought the 4-3 was supposed to be the base defense of the Browns, with Garret, Vernon, Richardson an Ogunjobi holding the fort in that defense?
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yeah, something is going on...we should not look as bad as we do....your point on running a 4/3 every now and then is a good idea in my opinion...why not, nothing else is working...
I thought the 4-3 was supposed to be the base defense of the Browns, with Garret, Vernon, Richardson an Ogunjobi holding the fort in that defense?
I thought the 4-3 was supposed to be the base defense of the Browns, with Garret, Vernon, Richardson an Ogunjobi holding the fort in that defense?
We don't run with 3 linebackers most of the time, as I believe we prefer to use the "heavy nickel" which incorporates 3 safeties. Fair warning, I could be talking out my ass, but I THINK I'm somewhat correct. I mean, think about it...who is our 3rd linebacker out there? I only ever see Wilson and Schobert.
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Baker's throwing is clearly off. We can see it in many games. Not sure if it's him or the receivers or both. It concerns me with all this talent, but our record is 2-4 right now. Any quality coach would find ways to work around a ineffective oline. He's being used by smarter coaches and unless i'm wrong, we'll continue to see it. And I hope i am
he's made some bad throws no doubt....but as you say, receivers have something to do with it also and probably the oc....ol line blocking issue is definetly another issue....it all adds up....i don't know if we can correct all of the issues at once...we'll see...it's do or die time....
he's made some bad throws no doubt....but as you say, receivers have something to do with it also and probably the oc....ol line blocking issue is definetly another issue....it all adds up....i don't know if we can correct all of the issues at once...we'll see...it's do or die time....
The other thing is this should have been caught in training camp. Kitchens is to blame for this, no doubt. Baker's never had problems with throwing to anyone before. My biggest concern is we might have picked the wrong coach. Like I said before, I hope i'm wrong.
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