Freddie fired
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Was against the Kitchens hire
Was against the flashy trades
Smh
Gregg would have us in a better spot
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I've finally seen enough. Kareem Hunt, ZERO carries in the second half = you have no clue how to use the talent you have.
The Browns are a talented team, with a HC who has no idea how to use it.
He loses to the Bengals, fire him.
EDIT: Buy a clue from Paul Brown (even Bill B modestly acknowledged him as the GOAT of coaches) speaking about Jim Brown- "when you have a big gun- fire it."
Far too often Freddie just tries to get cute, and out thinks himself.
You have a QB with a bruised hand (at least) so let's try three straight pass plays.
PS- Tomlin dumbed it down to HS football mentality (according to some of the Steelers) in the second half, and Freddie couldn't adjust.
I have been so dumbfounded by Kitchen's inability to get OBJ - one of the better weapons in the NFL - the ball this season that I seriously wonder what the point is in bringing him back next year. The only thing that makes me think he comes back is that they'll never be able to recoup the first rounder they gave up for him now. They've drove OBJ's trade value into the ground.
I have been so dumbfounded by Kitchen's inability to get OBJ - one of the better weapons in the NFL - the ball this season that I seriously wonder what the point is in bringing him back next year. The only thing that makes me think he comes back is that they'll never be able to recoup the first rounder they gave up for him now. They've drove OBJ's trade value into the ground.
But really- is it the scheme to have OBJ draw double coverage just to get Landry open? Just wow. It's not like Beckham suddenly turned into a bum, by just getting traded....
Nah- the point is Dorsey gave Kitchens a level of talent that would have 75% of the head coaches in the league envious- and Fred shit the bed with it. Even the 10-2 Ravens, outside of Jackson don't measure up at the skill positions. The Steelers earlier today sure as hell don't.
Dorse can't be happy with this turn of events, and bet the ranch Haslam isn't either. I've always felt you need to give a coach at least a couple seasons- but not this time.
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I have been so dumbfounded by Kitchen's inability to get OBJ - one of the better weapons in the NFL - the ball this season that I seriously wonder what the point is in bringing him back next year. The only thing that makes me think he comes back is that they'll never be able to recoup the first rounder they gave up for him now. They've drove OBJ's trade value into the ground.
But really- is it the scheme to have OBJ draw double coverage just to get Landry open? Just wow. It's not like Beckham suddenly turned into a bum, by just getting traded....
Nah- the point is Dorsey gave Kitchens a level of talent that would have 75% of the head coaches in the league envious- and Fred shit the bed with it. Even the 10-2 Ravens, outside of Jackson don't measure up at the skill positions. The Steelers earlier today sure as hell don't.
Dorse can't be happy with this turn of events, and bet the ranch Haslam isn't either. I've always felt you need to give a coach at least a couple seasons- but not this time.
Dorse can't be happy with this turn of events, and bet the ranch Haslam isn't either. I've always felt you need to give a coach at least a couple seasons- but not this time.
I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
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Dorse can't be happy with this turn of events, and bet the ranch Haslam isn't either. I've always felt you need to give a coach at least a couple seasons- but not this time.
I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
Now you know how Sophie felt.
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I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
Now you know how Sophie felt.
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Was against the Kitchens hire
Was against the flashy trades
Smh
Gregg would have us in a better spot
Was against the Kitchens hire
Was against the flashy trades
Smh
Gregg would have us in a better spot
Gregg as in Gregg Williams? He is a freaking laughingstock around the league and isn't a head coaching candidate.
Im no fan of FK either, but acting like Gregg freaking Williams of all people would be a better choice is bizarre. Our defense last year mostly blew goats with him. many many many years ago(like when people still bought cds) he had a couple pretty good defenses with Washington, and he is living off that(and the good ole boys network I guess) to get a job. And it only takes one. But in the right circles he is not seen as a credible DC candidate, much less HC candidate(except to make fun of)
As for the OBJ trade, you do that every time. That's why it got an A+ from virtually everyone. Giving up a mid first round pick for a top 3 wr(even though he hasn't played like a top 3 guy this year) who the other team already took some of the cap hit for? A no brainer....
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Dorse can't be happy with this turn of events, and bet the ranch Haslam isn't either. I've always felt you need to give a coach at least a couple seasons- but not this time.
I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
I know many will disagree with this but I don't go off where we were last year to where we are this year. Last year we caught lightning in a bottle with a very easy back end schedule. For example it's very plausible we go 8-8 because of a very easy back end of the schedule after starting 2-6. That coupled with the new players we had to integrate and being a very young team that needs to learn to win and a brand new coach.....
I go off of has Freddie improved this year and learned from some of his mistakes. While he is still making quite a few mistakes he is learning from his mistakes and starting to change his ways. He's gotten much better with time management over the year. He is getting better disciplining players and just growing as a coach.
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I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
I know many will disagree with this but I don't go off where we were last year to where we are this year. Last year we caught lightning in a bottle with a very easy back end schedule. For example it's very plausible we go 8-8 because of a very easy back end of the schedule after starting 2-6. That coupled with the new players we had to integrate and being a very young team that needs to learn to win and a brand new coach.....
I go off of has Freddie improved this year and learned from some of his mistakes. While he is still making quite a few mistakes he is learning from his mistakes and starting to change his ways. He's gotten much better with time management over the year. He is getting better disciplining players and just growing as a coach.
I know many will disagree with this but I don't go off where we were last year to where we are this year. Last year we caught lightning in a bottle with a very easy back end schedule. For example it's very plausible we go 8-8 because of a very easy back end of the schedule after starting 2-6. That coupled with the new players we had to integrate and being a very young team that needs to learn to win and a brand new coach.....
I go off of has Freddie improved this year and learned from some of his mistakes. While he is still making quite a few mistakes he is learning from his mistakes and starting to change his ways. He's gotten much better with time management over the year. He is getting better disciplining players and just growing as a coach.
I'll grant you Freddie has been"growing' as a coach. That doesn't absolve him going into Pittsburgh with a team vastly superior in offense talent- and laying a big fat egg. And he did the same in Denver losing to a third string QB.
BTW- your top TE can be activated- but you didn't Freddie. Inquiring minds want to know why in the hell not?
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Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
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Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Not pinning anything on anything, h... just looking at the team needs.
But were I, then I could make a strong case about the OL. Once we had to pass our OL really wasn't doing the job for Baker. D-side was more about the missing DL pieces than LB.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
the coach sucks...the opportunity came with that int in the 4th qtr....we had the fucking ball at their 30....and good hillbilly kitchens throws three times...we lost yardage and had to punt...are you fucking kidding me...you have chubb and hunt...and you throw 3 usless passes....and you think this will change in 2020 if these morons are still around...eh good luck with that....a fucking 4th string qb smacks the shit out of the clowns.knocking them out of the playoffs....a 4th string qb...if you are baltimore or pittsburgh, you are rooting that the moronic fo will keep kitchens and the rest of these bums forever....
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Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Not pinning anything on anything, h... just looking at the team needs.
But were I, then I could make a strong case about the OL. Once we had to pass our OL really wasn't doing the job for Baker. D-side was more about the missing DL pieces than LB.
Not pinning anything on anything, h... just looking at the team needs.
But were I, then I could make a strong case about the OL. Once we had to pass our OL really wasn't doing the job for Baker. D-side was more about the missing DL pieces than LB.
The defense, particularly the line, looked gassed as the game wore on. I think l mentally noted that before the first half was even over.
The Oline was terrorized much like they were the first game by Watt and company, but we just didn’t get enough magical Baker plays to pull this one out.
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Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
the coach sucks...the opportunity came with that int in the 4th qtr....we had the fucking ball at their 30....and good hillbilly kitchens throws three times...we lost yardage and had to punt...are you fucking kidding me...you have chubb and hunt...and you throw 3 usless passes....and you think this will change in 2020 if these morons are still around...eh good luck with that....a fucking 4th string qb smacks the shit out of the clowns.knocking them out of the playoffs....a 4th string qb...if you are baltimore or pittsburgh, you are rooting that the moronic fo will keep kitchens and the rest of these bums forever....
the coach sucks...the opportunity came with that int in the 4th qtr....we had the fucking ball at their 30....and good hillbilly kitchens throws three times...we lost yardage and had to punt...are you fucking kidding me...you have chubb and hunt...and you throw 3 usless passes....and you think this will change in 2020 if these morons are still around...eh good luck with that....
Did you look at our last 6 runs? I have... 3,5,1,1,2 and 3 yards. Tretter was playing on one leg and couldn't drive block or get to the 2nd level.
Also the possession at their 30 of which you write came one play after we'd moved the ball 61 yards in 7 plays... all passes.
Put those two things together and the air looks like the better route... if you are trying to win the game.
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The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
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The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
I checked, and the Browns do have an out on OBJ's contract next year. I don't understand why many on the Board are so anxious to dump him. Replace him with WHO? the triple H's? Harris, Hilliard, HIggins? A third round pick? Get real. Even with the fall off in production, OBJ is in the top 25 in the league- meaning he's still a legit #1 WR in my book.
Freddie I'm not so sure about. He needs to go 3-1 the rest of the way out to be on solid footing, and even that might not do it. Losing to the Bengals at home Sunday could be the end.
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OBJ is not the problem. It is the dynamic he sets up with Baker hunting for him instead of the open man like last year.
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OBJ is not the problem. It is the dynamic he sets up with Baker hunting for him instead of the open man like last year.
OBJ is not the problem. It is the dynamic he sets up with Baker hunting for him instead of the open man like last year.
Maybe. Him getting double covered has allowed Landry to have a career year. I rarely see Baker trying to force the ball to him anymore when he's double covered.
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