Freddie fired
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Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
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Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Not pinning anything on anything, h... just looking at the team needs.
But were I, then I could make a strong case about the OL. Once we had to pass our OL really wasn't doing the job for Baker. D-side was more about the missing DL pieces than LB.
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Freddie gets the rest of 2019 at a minimum... and likely 2020 to boot. I just hope Wilks is around in 2020 as well. Really want to see both with a little more talent at OT and LB respectively.
The ball is in Dorsey's court...
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
the coach sucks...the opportunity came with that int in the 4th qtr....we had the fucking ball at their 30....and good hillbilly kitchens throws three times...we lost yardage and had to punt...are you fucking kidding me...you have chubb and hunt...and you throw 3 usless passes....and you think this will change in 2020 if these morons are still around...eh good luck with that....a fucking 4th string qb smacks the shit out of the clowns.knocking them out of the playoffs....a 4th string qb...if you are baltimore or pittsburgh, you are rooting that the moronic fo will keep kitchens and the rest of these bums forever....
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Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Not pinning anything on anything, h... just looking at the team needs.
But were I, then I could make a strong case about the OL. Once we had to pass our OL really wasn't doing the job for Baker. D-side was more about the missing DL pieces than LB.
Not pinning anything on anything, h... just looking at the team needs.
But were I, then I could make a strong case about the OL. Once we had to pass our OL really wasn't doing the job for Baker. D-side was more about the missing DL pieces than LB.
The defense, particularly the line, looked gassed as the game wore on. I think l mentally noted that before the first half was even over.
The Oline was terrorized much like they were the first game by Watt and company, but we just didn’t get enough magical Baker plays to pull this one out.
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Problem there Tour, can you really pin today's loss on the o-line, or linebackers? We were up 10-0, and then collectively took a nap.
Yeah Duck got lucky on some ducks, but we failed big time to adjust to their adjustments.
the coach sucks...the opportunity came with that int in the 4th qtr....we had the fucking ball at their 30....and good hillbilly kitchens throws three times...we lost yardage and had to punt...are you fucking kidding me...you have chubb and hunt...and you throw 3 usless passes....and you think this will change in 2020 if these morons are still around...eh good luck with that....a fucking 4th string qb smacks the shit out of the clowns.knocking them out of the playoffs....a 4th string qb...if you are baltimore or pittsburgh, you are rooting that the moronic fo will keep kitchens and the rest of these bums forever....
the coach sucks...the opportunity came with that int in the 4th qtr....we had the fucking ball at their 30....and good hillbilly kitchens throws three times...we lost yardage and had to punt...are you fucking kidding me...you have chubb and hunt...and you throw 3 usless passes....and you think this will change in 2020 if these morons are still around...eh good luck with that....
Did you look at our last 6 runs? I have... 3,5,1,1,2 and 3 yards. Tretter was playing on one leg and couldn't drive block or get to the 2nd level.
Also the possession at their 30 of which you write came one play after we'd moved the ball 61 yards in 7 plays... all passes.
Put those two things together and the air looks like the better route... if you are trying to win the game.
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The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
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The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
I checked, and the Browns do have an out on OBJ's contract next year. I don't understand why many on the Board are so anxious to dump him. Replace him with WHO? the triple H's? Harris, Hilliard, HIggins? A third round pick? Get real. Even with the fall off in production, OBJ is in the top 25 in the league- meaning he's still a legit #1 WR in my book.
Freddie I'm not so sure about. He needs to go 3-1 the rest of the way out to be on solid footing, and even that might not do it. Losing to the Bengals at home Sunday could be the end.
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OBJ is not the problem. It is the dynamic he sets up with Baker hunting for him instead of the open man like last year.
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OBJ is not the problem. It is the dynamic he sets up with Baker hunting for him instead of the open man like last year.
OBJ is not the problem. It is the dynamic he sets up with Baker hunting for him instead of the open man like last year.
Maybe. Him getting double covered has allowed Landry to have a career year. I rarely see Baker trying to force the ball to him anymore when he's double covered.
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Now that the schedule gets somewhat easier, lets fire the coach because we lost to the really good teams.
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The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
I checked, and the Browns do have an out on OBJ's contract next year. I don't understand why many on the Board are so anxious to dump him. Replace him with WHO? the triple H's? Harris, Hilliard, HIggins? A third round pick? Get real. Even with the fall off in production, OBJ is in the top 25 in the league- meaning he's still a legit #1 WR in my book.
Freddie I'm not so sure about. He needs to go 3-1 the rest of the way out to be on solid footing, and even that might not do it. Losing to the Bengals at home Sunday could be the end.
I checked, and the Browns do have an out on OBJ's contract next year. I don't understand why many on the Board are so anxious to dump him. Replace him with WHO? the triple H's? Harris, Hilliard, HIggins? A third round pick? Get real. Even with the fall off in production, OBJ is in the top 25 in the league- meaning he's still a legit #1 WR in my book.
Freddie I'm not so sure about. He needs to go 3-1 the rest of the way out to be on solid footing, and even that might not do it. Losing to the Bengals at home Sunday could be the end.
Ha ha ha ha lol lol OBJ is not a top 25 WR , he isn’t a #1 on this team he plain and simply hasn’t produced like a#1 WR . Catching balls with one hand in pre game and practice isn’t producing results. All show and no go !!!!!
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The Steelers are a "really good team?" Denver?
You're aware that you are quoting something that was said on October 27th...right?
What I would say NOW would be, "We've lost to teams with good defensive fronts". So what does that tell us? It tells us that we have a poor OFFENSIVE front. Baker has NOT shown to play well when he lacks confidence in his OL. MOST of our OL needs to be upgraded. Now, it's not that they fuck up on every single play against good D's.....but hey, how confident would YOU be with Robinson, Kush & Hubbard pass protecting for you?
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If you ship OBJ you might as well send Landry too, they are a packaged deal now... Landry will revolt if they give up OBJ.
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My issues are:
1) How do you leave your best safety at home with the season on the line?
2) How do you leave your best TE out of the game when he's been eligible for 2 weeks and supposedly healthy?
3) How do you keep a gimpy Vernon in the game, he had a negative impact?
4) How do you keep a gimpy Center in the game, he had a negative impact?
5) How do you neglect to protect your QB in a game where the opposition is clearly trying to hurt him?
Hue do you think you are Freddy?
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My issues are:
1) How do you leave your best safety at home with the season on the line?
2) How do you leave your best TE out of the game when he's been eligible for 2 weeks and supposedly healthy?
3) How do you keep a gimpy Vernon in the game, he had a negative impact?
4) How do you keep a gimpy Center in the game, he had a negative impact?
5) How do you neglect to protect your QB in a game where the opposition is clearly trying to hurt him?
Hue do you think you are Freddy?
My issues are:
1) How do you leave your best safety at home with the season on the line?
2) How do you leave your best TE out of the game when he's been eligible for 2 weeks and supposedly healthy?
3) How do you keep a gimpy Vernon in the game, he had a negative impact?
4) How do you keep a gimpy Center in the game, he had a negative impact?
5) How do you neglect to protect your QB in a game where the opposition is clearly trying to hurt him?
Hue do you think you are Freddy?
1. Because your best safety apparently is a head case, who might have decided in the biggest week of the season to not bother to show up to practice. Like literally skip practice.
2. Fair question. This is as puzzling as the same scenario that played out earlier in the season with Higgins. (Which seems like was some untold discipline issue too?)
3. He played 12 plays.
4. Tretter played on one leg for half of the season last year.
5. This might be better asked to John Dorsey, who did a shitty job on the OLine last offseason.
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The Steelers are a "really good team?" Denver?
You're aware that you are quoting something that was said on October 27th...right?
What I would say NOW would be, "We've lost to teams with good defensive fronts". So what does that tell us? It tells us that we have a poor OFFENSIVE front. Baker has NOT shown to play well when he lacks confidence in his OL. MOST of our OL needs to be upgraded. Now, it's not that they fuck up on every single play against good D's.....but hey, how confident would YOU be with Robinson, Kush & Hubbard pass protecting for you?
You're aware that you are quoting something that was said on October 27th...right?
What I would say NOW would be, "We've lost to teams with good defensive fronts". So what does that tell us? It tells us that we have a poor OFFENSIVE front. Baker has NOT shown to play well when he lacks confidence in his OL. MOST of our OL needs to be upgraded. Now, it's not that they fuck up on every single play against good D's.....but hey, how confident would YOU be with Robinson, Kush & Hubbard pass protecting for you?
All accurate. Upgrade on OL vital. Probably 2 in the first 4 rounds. And a free agent or 2. Hubbard is bad.
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One thing that really stood out to me against Pittsburgh yesterday... Freddy has got to get the plays in FASTER! We've got to get out of the huddle and to the line faster. We've got to line up faster, get the defense set in position and allow Baker time to identify and make adjustments. This has to be faster. There were times when the play clock was about to hit zero and the defense was literally running at the line to hit it right on the snap because they knew that we HAD to snap. We've got to be better.
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Fresh off the presses of the steamy Plain Dealer ?... https://cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/can-we-have-a-disciplined-discussion-about-fixing-the-browns-before-jumping-right-to-fire-freddie.html
Remember Fred's largest endorser to Haslem/Dorsey for Fred getting job was?... Bill Parcell's...whom still has the label as team consultant...
1) I agree this offensive talent, may only need a OL upgrade ala Dallas/Colts Draft next season... but, With a complete offensive overhaul, starting with Monken getting out of Freddie's ears
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2) Is Fred's only hope? To turn over the offensive control keys? like a guy Hue know... 2 Bengals. a Zona & a Ravens game left on schedule could not come at a better time
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The only question is what are they going to get for OBJ, a 3rd round pick and a player? And who replaces Fat Dumb Freddie? After the turnover you can't get less than a field goal attempt. Run 2 times with Hunt or Chubb. See how close you get to the 20. But Baker on 3rd and long will try to make something happen and get sacked. Bet on it.
I checked, and the Browns do have an out on OBJ's contract next year. I don't understand why many on the Board are so anxious to dump him. Replace him with WHO? the triple H's? Harris, Hilliard, HIggins? A third round pick? Get real. Even with the fall off in production, OBJ is in the top 25 in the league- meaning he's still a legit #1 WR in my book.
Freddie I'm not so sure about. He needs to go 3-1 the rest of the way out to be on solid footing, and even that might not do it. Losing to the Bengals at home Sunday could be the end.
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