Dorsey —————- GONE
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A level headed response in the sea of "woe is me" responses. Guys need to freakin grow some balls around here, there's a reason another moniker for NFL is "not for long". Dorsey lost a power play pure and simple by appointing the completely unqualified Kitchens as his pliable puppet coach that blew up in his face. Kitchens wasn't a rising star in the NFL, he was a fraud assisted by Zampese, Saunders etc who took an an opportunity gifted to him. In fact Dorsey sealed his own fate by firing Zampese, we can all see how Baker's performance drastically deteriorated after that. He drafted some good players but wasted a lot of draft picks acquiring players like Tyrod Taylor, Beckham etc, dropping players like Shelton, Ogbah and Nassib (who would've provided depth instead of Chad Thomas and Chris Smith), acquiring questionable characters like Whitehead and Callaway and blew our cap space. He's a talent evaluator and has now failed twice at GM, good riddance.
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
.......or run a gas station either.
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I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
And the first instance it doesn't go well, you'll go all HYSTERICAL JIGGINS and demand everyone fired.
We've also seen this movie around here a few times. ?
And the first instance it doesn't go well, you'll go all HYSTERICAL JIGGINS and demand everyone fired.
We've also seen this movie around here a few times. ?
Don't know what you're talking about! ?
To be fair, I was truly rooting for Kitchens to get another year for a long time. It wasn't until the Ravens game where I totally lost my shit with him. That 2 minutes before half made it clear to me. Very clear.
I am definitely not the "fire everyone" type guy. I said in jest to cut players after penalties, but obviously that's not serious. I really did want Kitchens back for the longest time, but it became so apparent that he was not the right person for the job.
Now....getting hysterical? Yes, that might have happened a few dozen times. ?
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He was put in an incredible cap and draft position, the envy of every GM in the league
He fucked it up. No sympathy
He was put in an incredible cap and draft position, the envy of every GM in the league
He fucked it up. No sympathy
This. ALL of this.
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A level headed response in the sea of "woe is me" responses. Guys need to freakin grow some balls around here, there's a reason another moniker for NFL is "not for long". Dorsey lost a power play pure and simple by appointing the completely unqualified Kitchens as his pliable puppet coach that blew up in his face. Kitchens wasn't a rising star in the NFL, he was a fraud assisted by Zampese, Saunders etc who took an an opportunity gifted to him. In fact Dorsey sealed his own fate by firing Zampese, we can all see how Baker's performance drastically deteriorated after that. He drafted some good players but wasted a lot of draft picks acquiring players like Tyrod Taylor, Beckham etc, dropping players like Shelton, Ogbah and Nassib (who would've provided depth instead of Chad Thomas and Chris Smith), acquiring questionable characters like Whitehead and Callaway and blew our cap space. He's a talent evaluator and has now failed twice at GM, good riddance.
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
What's the ONE constant the last several years? Owner.
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While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
What's the ONE constant the last several years? Owner.
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Yeah you got your wish, be prepard for a step back. Who wants to come here to be GM or coach when you get the axe after a year or two. This team is probably a good HC away from being a playoff team. But now you bring in a new GM who wants his guys. They always want THEIR guys. Players brought in by Dorsey.
Landry
Ward
OBJ
Randall
Greedy
Chubb
Wilson
Baker
Vernon
Hunt
Richardson
Thats a pretty good group of folks in just 2 years. No GM since the Browns cames back in '99 has brought in as much talent. Yes, the Austin Corbett pick was a bust, so what. You bring in the talent above you get to have a mulligan every once in a while. And guess what else this means, we might lose Wolf and Highsmith who are pretty good guys in their own right. This move reeks of stupidity and incompetence. I have no problem canning a GM, I was for Sashi, Farmer and others getting shown the door because they were incompetent at their job. Dorsey is not incompetent. The Haslams want instant gratification and results or they blow crap up. That can't be they way you run your organization. If the Haslams really believe the team is close, then change the HC and keep everything else in place. Best option here is just sell the team to someone who can better run things, I don't doubt the Haslams desires to win, I doubt their mental competence to do so.I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
What? HOW many times have we seen this shit blow up in out faces? I'm freaking damn tired and disgusted at the endless rinse, wash, repeat cycle. New faces? I'll wait on that. Or are you going to be overjoyed if Wolf and HIghsmith follow John out the door? Huh? First rate Front Office talent doesn't grow on trees FYI.
And the first instance it doesn't go well, you'll go all HYSTERICAL JIGGINS and demand everyone fired.
We've also seen this movie around here a few times. ?
We don't know how this will turn out yet, but it doesn't bode well. Haslam was correct is asking Dorsey to take a reduced role after the Freddie fiasco, but it sure looks like crappy hell from the outside. Haslam's mantra in hiring seems to be (and Tour said it too) "plays well with others". John couldn't.
Now we’re going back to 0-3 wins a season.
You could be right. And maybe Jiggins can kill himself if we regress back to that level. If DePodesta starts calling the shots- count on it.
Larry, what is you take RE: the Mayfield pick. Yes, Freddie was a big whiff, but do you think Mayfield's performance factored into this?
I know he is young but - I wonder if Mayfield is a 'one (half-year) hit wonder?
God.........................could asphole Rex Ryan be right about him?
FWIW, I hate to see any continuity, once again, dissipate before fully formed.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
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I do find it interesting that the pro-analytics people on here seem to completely gloss over the fact that Sashi Brown walked into a situation with a ton of draft picks and salary cap ALREADY, via Joe Banner. That doesn't jive with their "Sashi died on the Browns cross for our sins" martyrdom, though.
Who knows how this will work out, there could be more people on their way out. For all the talk of DePodesta, who knows, he might have had enough of this circus and STILL opt to leave.
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I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
What? HOW many times have we seen this shit blow up in out faces? I'm freaking damn tired and disgusted at the endless rinse, wash, repeat cycle. New faces? I'll wait on that. Or are you going to be overjoyed if Wolf and HIghsmith follow John out the door? Huh? First rate Front Office talent doesn't grow on trees FYI.
And the first instance it doesn't go well, you'll go all HYSTERICAL JIGGINS and demand everyone fired.
We've also seen this movie around here a few times. ?
We don't know how this will turn out yet, but it doesn't bode well. Haslam was correct is asking Dorsey to take a reduced role after the Freddie fiasco, but it sure looks like crappy hell from the outside. Haslam's mantra in hiring seems to be (and Tour said it too) "plays well with others". John couldn't.
Now we’re going back to 0-3 wins a season.
You could be right. And maybe Jiggins can kill himself if we regress back to that level. If DePodesta starts calling the shots- count on it.
Larry, what is you take RE: the Mayfield pick. Yes, Freddie was a big whiff, but do you think Mayfield's performance factored into this?
I know he is young but - I wonder if Mayfield is a 'one (half-year) hit wonder?
God.........................could asphole Rex Ryan be right about him?
FWIW, I hate to see any continuity, once again, dissipate before fully formed.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
What? HOW many times have we seen this shit blow up in out faces? I'm freaking damn tired and disgusted at the endless rinse, wash, repeat cycle. New faces? I'll wait on that. Or are you going to be overjoyed if Wolf and HIghsmith follow John out the door? Huh? First rate Front Office talent doesn't grow on trees FYI.
We don't know how this will turn out yet, but it doesn't bode well. Haslam was correct is asking Dorsey to take a reduced role after the Freddie fiasco, but it sure looks like crappy hell from the outside. Haslam's mantra in hiring seems to be (and Tour said it too) "plays well with others". John couldn't.
You could be right. And maybe Jiggins can kill himself if we regress back to that level. If DePodesta starts calling the shots- count on it.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
Highsmith was already out the door, he's being considered for a position at the U of Miami. Wolff will apparently retain his position.
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A level headed response in the sea of "woe is me" responses. Guys need to freakin grow some balls around here, there's a reason another moniker for NFL is "not for long". Dorsey lost a power play pure and simple by appointing the completely unqualified Kitchens as his pliable puppet coach that blew up in his face. Kitchens wasn't a rising star in the NFL, he was a fraud assisted by Zampese, Saunders etc who took an an opportunity gifted to him. In fact Dorsey sealed his own fate by firing Zampese, we can all see how Baker's performance drastically deteriorated after that. He drafted some good players but wasted a lot of draft picks acquiring players like Tyrod Taylor, Beckham etc, dropping players like Shelton, Ogbah and Nassib (who would've provided depth instead of Chad Thomas and Chris Smith), acquiring questionable characters like Whitehead and Callaway and blew our cap space. He's a talent evaluator and has now failed twice at GM, good riddance.
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
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While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
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Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
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Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
Fair enough, he did do a nice job.
I still contend that McDermott or anyone else would not make it through a tank job overseen by the Haslams. Hue probably wouldn't had made it as far as he did if he wasn't a master political behind the scenes backstabber. You just said it yourself, the Haslams can't commit to any plan. McDermott would have been, IMO, a casualty of their incompetence.
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Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
Fair enough, he did do a nice job.
I still contend that McDermott or anyone else would not make it through a tank job overseen by the Haslams. Hue probably wouldn't had made it as far as he did if he wasn't a master political behind the scenes backstabber. You just said it yourself, the Haslams can't commit to any plan. McDermott would have been, IMO, a casualty of their incompetence.
Fair enough, he did do a nice job.
I still contend that McDermott or anyone else would not make it through a tank job overseen by the Haslams. Hue probably wouldn't had made it as far as he did if he wasn't a master political behind the scenes backstabber. You just said it yourself, the Haslams can't commit to any plan. McDermott would have been, IMO, a casualty of their incompetence.
At the time I believe Sashi told Haslam to expect 3-5 wins the first year and possibly also the 2nd year obviously we went 1-31 and the rest is history.
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He was put in an incredible cap and draft position, the envy of every GM in the league
He fucked it up. No sympathy
This. ALL of this.
This. ALL of this.
Lesmerise the Sashi lifer get’s the last laugh.
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Dorsey gone more than likely means McDaniels.
Which will pretty much be more of the same, except the HC will be a belligerent asshole who constantly act like he is the only smart person in the room. At this point, McCarthy would be a home-run hired when compared to that fucking clown.
This would be wildly entertaining if it was some other team.
There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to anything that happens.
This would be wildly entertaining if it was some other team.
There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to anything that happens.
I was listening in to NFL Radio today and a friend of Hue Jackson's told him when he was going out the door headed for Cleveland, "See you in 3 years." Jackson told him that he would not have accepted the job if he believed that. He just replied to Huey, "It's Cleveland and that's what they do." So the guy was chuckling about yet another revolving door to nowhere.
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Somehow I find it appropriate that the Browns will end the decade without a GM or HC.
Somehow I find it appropriate that the Browns will end the decade without a GM or HC.
Won't this be the 3rd consecutive decade ending like that? After all they haven't had a real GM or HC since the return, right?
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Wow, just saw this...... we went from winning the on paper Super Bowl in July and by the end of the year, we're looking for a new GM, HC and coaching staff.
Ho, Ho, Ho.
Wow, just saw this...... we went from winning the on paper Super Bowl in July and by the end of the year, we're looking for a new GM, HC and coaching staff.
Ho, Ho, Ho.
At Texas A&M we always win the Football NC in August and at the end of the season it's, "Wait 'till next year!' Browns were a perfect fit for me. I'm used to it.?
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