Dorsey —————- GONE
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I do find it interesting that the pro-analytics people on here seem to completely gloss over the fact that Sashi Brown walked into a situation with a ton of draft picks and salary cap ALREADY, via Joe Banner. That doesn't jive with their "Sashi died on the Browns cross for our sins" martyrdom, though.
Who knows how this will work out, there could be more people on their way out. For all the talk of DePodesta, who knows, he might have had enough of this circus and STILL opt to leave.
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I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
What? HOW many times have we seen this shit blow up in out faces? I'm freaking damn tired and disgusted at the endless rinse, wash, repeat cycle. New faces? I'll wait on that. Or are you going to be overjoyed if Wolf and HIghsmith follow John out the door? Huh? First rate Front Office talent doesn't grow on trees FYI.
And the first instance it doesn't go well, you'll go all HYSTERICAL JIGGINS and demand everyone fired.
We've also seen this movie around here a few times. ?
We don't know how this will turn out yet, but it doesn't bode well. Haslam was correct is asking Dorsey to take a reduced role after the Freddie fiasco, but it sure looks like crappy hell from the outside. Haslam's mantra in hiring seems to be (and Tour said it too) "plays well with others". John couldn't.
Now we’re going back to 0-3 wins a season.
You could be right. And maybe Jiggins can kill himself if we regress back to that level. If DePodesta starts calling the shots- count on it.
Larry, what is you take RE: the Mayfield pick. Yes, Freddie was a big whiff, but do you think Mayfield's performance factored into this?
I know he is young but - I wonder if Mayfield is a 'one (half-year) hit wonder?
God.........................could asphole Rex Ryan be right about him?
FWIW, I hate to see any continuity, once again, dissipate before fully formed.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
What? HOW many times have we seen this shit blow up in out faces? I'm freaking damn tired and disgusted at the endless rinse, wash, repeat cycle. New faces? I'll wait on that. Or are you going to be overjoyed if Wolf and HIghsmith follow John out the door? Huh? First rate Front Office talent doesn't grow on trees FYI.
We don't know how this will turn out yet, but it doesn't bode well. Haslam was correct is asking Dorsey to take a reduced role after the Freddie fiasco, but it sure looks like crappy hell from the outside. Haslam's mantra in hiring seems to be (and Tour said it too) "plays well with others". John couldn't.
You could be right. And maybe Jiggins can kill himself if we regress back to that level. If DePodesta starts calling the shots- count on it.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
Highsmith was already out the door, he's being considered for a position at the U of Miami. Wolff will apparently retain his position.
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A level headed response in the sea of "woe is me" responses. Guys need to freakin grow some balls around here, there's a reason another moniker for NFL is "not for long". Dorsey lost a power play pure and simple by appointing the completely unqualified Kitchens as his pliable puppet coach that blew up in his face. Kitchens wasn't a rising star in the NFL, he was a fraud assisted by Zampese, Saunders etc who took an an opportunity gifted to him. In fact Dorsey sealed his own fate by firing Zampese, we can all see how Baker's performance drastically deteriorated after that. He drafted some good players but wasted a lot of draft picks acquiring players like Tyrod Taylor, Beckham etc, dropping players like Shelton, Ogbah and Nassib (who would've provided depth instead of Chad Thomas and Chris Smith), acquiring questionable characters like Whitehead and Callaway and blew our cap space. He's a talent evaluator and has now failed twice at GM, good riddance.
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
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While this is a very reasonable explanation.
It doesn’t hide the fact that our owner is an IDIOT and has no clue how to run an NFL team
Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
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Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it. If they'd Hired Mcdermott instead of Hue as the analytics guys recommended we'd be at the end of their 5 year plan with probably better results.
Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
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Those teams were built to tank.
There is absolutely no reason to think McDermott would have survived any longer than Hue did. (Even if he is a better HC, which he is. That was a job destined to fail)
Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
Fair enough, he did do a nice job.
I still contend that McDermott or anyone else would not make it through a tank job overseen by the Haslams. Hue probably wouldn't had made it as far as he did if he wasn't a master political behind the scenes backstabber. You just said it yourself, the Haslams can't commit to any plan. McDermott would have been, IMO, a casualty of their incompetence.
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Not so sure about that Flores won 5 games in Miami where the FO went full Sashi this year.
Fair enough, he did do a nice job.
I still contend that McDermott or anyone else would not make it through a tank job overseen by the Haslams. Hue probably wouldn't had made it as far as he did if he wasn't a master political behind the scenes backstabber. You just said it yourself, the Haslams can't commit to any plan. McDermott would have been, IMO, a casualty of their incompetence.
Fair enough, he did do a nice job.
I still contend that McDermott or anyone else would not make it through a tank job overseen by the Haslams. Hue probably wouldn't had made it as far as he did if he wasn't a master political behind the scenes backstabber. You just said it yourself, the Haslams can't commit to any plan. McDermott would have been, IMO, a casualty of their incompetence.
At the time I believe Sashi told Haslam to expect 3-5 wins the first year and possibly also the 2nd year obviously we went 1-31 and the rest is history.
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He was put in an incredible cap and draft position, the envy of every GM in the league
He fucked it up. No sympathy
This. ALL of this.
This. ALL of this.
Lesmerise the Sashi lifer get’s the last laugh.
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Dorsey gone more than likely means McDaniels.
Which will pretty much be more of the same, except the HC will be a belligerent asshole who constantly act like he is the only smart person in the room. At this point, McCarthy would be a home-run hired when compared to that fucking clown.
This would be wildly entertaining if it was some other team.
There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to anything that happens.
This would be wildly entertaining if it was some other team.
There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to anything that happens.
I was listening in to NFL Radio today and a friend of Hue Jackson's told him when he was going out the door headed for Cleveland, "See you in 3 years." Jackson told him that he would not have accepted the job if he believed that. He just replied to Huey, "It's Cleveland and that's what they do." So the guy was chuckling about yet another revolving door to nowhere.
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Somehow I find it appropriate that the Browns will end the decade without a GM or HC.
Somehow I find it appropriate that the Browns will end the decade without a GM or HC.
Won't this be the 3rd consecutive decade ending like that? After all they haven't had a real GM or HC since the return, right?
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Wow, just saw this...... we went from winning the on paper Super Bowl in July and by the end of the year, we're looking for a new GM, HC and coaching staff.
Ho, Ho, Ho.
Wow, just saw this...... we went from winning the on paper Super Bowl in July and by the end of the year, we're looking for a new GM, HC and coaching staff.
Ho, Ho, Ho.
At Texas A&M we always win the Football NC in August and at the end of the season it's, "Wait 'till next year!' Browns were a perfect fit for me. I'm used to it.?
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So idiotic, why would we go for a rebuild after our two best seasons with young players on the come up? Haslam is intentionally sabotaging the team or he's the biggest moron in history
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The Haslams are chaos pure and simple. I think they mean well in their own way, but they are the Browns biggest problem. They lack the patience to see things through and make terrible football decisions. If they want this team to have discipline and stop the infighting etc, they need to lead, they need to set the standard. It you blow things up every couple of years, you will never win, it will only happen by chance. Did Freddie need to go....yes. I wanted him get another year but in week 17 he was still making the same bad decision as in week 1. He wasn't learning. At least if he improved even if they lost I would have been for keeping him around. Dorsey while not perfect was light years ahead of anything we have had. If you want to clean house dump Podesta, we haven't gotten better since he got on board, he should no way be in a power struggle with anybody....what does he do? This is lunancy.....if you wanted Podesta to have more say this should have happened a while ago not today. Its a panic move but the Haslams who clearly don't know what to do.
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........just trying to make sense in my head of recent Haslam decisions.
If you win ZERO games, you're retained as HC. But if you win even just one game, you're fired. And as a GM, if you actually BRING talented players to the team, you're fired.
Do I have things about right?
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I do find it interesting that the pro-analytics people on here seem to completely gloss over the fact that Sashi Brown walked into a situation with a ton of draft picks and salary cap ALREADY, via Joe Banner. That doesn't jive with their "Sashi died on the Browns cross for our sins" martyrdom, though.
Who knows how this will work out, there could be more people on their way out. For all the talk of DePodesta, who knows, he might have had enough of this circus and STILL opt to leave.
I do find it interesting that the pro-analytics people on here seem to completely gloss over the fact that Sashi Brown walked into a situation with a ton of draft picks and salary cap ALREADY, via Joe Banner.
How much and how many... round by round?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I do find it interesting that the pro-analytics people on here seem to completely gloss over the fact that Sashi Brown walked into a situation with a ton of draft picks and salary cap ALREADY, via Joe Banner.
How much and how many... round by round?
How much and how many?
A billion and tons?
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2014/06/former_cleveland_browns_ceo_jo.html
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I do find it interesting that the pro-analytics people on here seem to completely gloss over the fact that Sashi Brown walked into a situation with a ton of draft picks and salary cap ALREADY, via Joe Banner. That doesn't jive with their "Sashi died on the Browns cross for our sins" martyrdom, though.
Who knows how this will work out, there could be more people on their way out. For all the talk of DePodesta, who knows, he might have had enough of this circus and STILL opt to leave.
I do find it interesting that the pro-analytics people on here seem to completely gloss over the fact that Sashi Brown walked into a situation with a ton of draft picks and salary cap ALREADY, via Joe Banner. That doesn't jive with their "Sashi died on the Browns cross for our sins" martyrdom, though.
Who knows how this will work out, there could be more people on their way out. For all the talk of DePodesta, who knows, he might have had enough of this circus and STILL opt to leave.
One thing that wouldn't upset me is if DePo did take a hike. MHO is his analytics have sucked. Vastly overrated, he must have Haslam hypnotized to still be around. He's one of the constants in under achievement.
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