Dorsey —————- GONE
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Maybe it's been asked already
How much are the Browns paying people that don't work for the organization anymore?
How much are the Browns paying people that don't work for the organization anymore?
Aside from Freddie and Dorsey, doesn't look like other past FO and HC are still on the books.
2019 saw Hue's last payday from Jimmah. He was getting $4,75mm/yr.
Pet was paid off in 2017. Pet was cheap at $3.5mm/yr.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/cleveland-browns-head-coach-firings-cost
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Agree, Haslam's problem is that he agrees to a plan but only half heartedly sticks to it.
I blame myself...
Jimmah was tending bar at the Admiralty Pub in London the nite before our game vs the Vikes (good game for much of it).
Anyway when I heard he was there I set off to buttonhole him about "staying the course" and got distracted talking to Josh Cribbs... just a great guy. Meanwhile Jimmah and Dee left for their hotel.
On second thought... I blame Josh.
I blame myself...
Jimmah was tending bar at the Admiralty Pub in London the nite before our game vs the Vikes (good game for much of it).
Anyway when I heard he was there I set off to buttonhole him about "staying the course" and got distracted talking to Josh Cribbs... just a great guy. Meanwhile Jimmah and Dee left for their hotel.
On second thought... I blame Josh.
Tour- I felt the same thing about Jimmy. Me, Gipper, and Flugels saw Haslam a few years ago when the Browns played the Titans in Nashville. He was there at the Tailgate, shaking hands and posing for selfies with the fans.
You have to question his ownership style at this point. But dammit, I can't blame Haslam for Dorsey taking a hike. John was plain too prideful to look in a mirror and admit some of his decisions blew up in his face- the primary one being promoting Freddie over (apparently) objections from the rest of the front office in the building. Not the only stuff that others have pointed out, just the biggest.
You and me have had some arguments over an analytics approach. I'm fine with that POV- but I'm not fine with DePodesta winning a power struggle. He sucks as badly at analytics as Hue did at coaching. There- I said it. And more than anything else, it what scares the crap out of me for the 2020 season. 0-16 here we come again.
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What? HOW many times have we seen this shit blow up in out faces? I'm freaking damn tired and disgusted at the endless rinse, wash, repeat cycle. New faces? I'll wait on that. Or are you going to be overjoyed if Wolf and HIghsmith follow John out the door? Huh? First rate Front Office talent doesn't grow on trees FYI.
We don't know how this will turn out yet, but it doesn't bode well. Haslam was correct is asking Dorsey to take a reduced role after the Freddie fiasco, but it sure looks like crappy hell from the outside. Haslam's mantra in hiring seems to be (and Tour said it too) "plays well with others". John couldn't.
You could be right. And maybe Jiggins can kill himself if we regress back to that level. If DePodesta starts calling the shots- count on it.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
Highsmith was already out the door, he's being considered for a position at the U of Miami. Wolff will apparently retain his position.
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I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
What? HOW many times have we seen this shit blow up in out faces? I'm freaking damn tired and disgusted at the endless rinse, wash, repeat cycle. New faces? I'll wait on that. Or are you going to be overjoyed if Wolf and HIghsmith follow John out the door? Huh? First rate Front Office talent doesn't grow on trees FYI.
And the first instance it doesn't go well, you'll go all HYSTERICAL JIGGINS and demand everyone fired.
We've also seen this movie around here a few times. ?
We don't know how this will turn out yet, but it doesn't bode well. Haslam was correct is asking Dorsey to take a reduced role after the Freddie fiasco, but it sure looks like crappy hell from the outside. Haslam's mantra in hiring seems to be (and Tour said it too) "plays well with others". John couldn't.
Now we’re going back to 0-3 wins a season.
You could be right. And maybe Jiggins can kill himself if we regress back to that level. If DePodesta starts calling the shots- count on it.
Larry, what is you take RE: the Mayfield pick. Yes, Freddie was a big whiff, but do you think Mayfield's performance factored into this?
I know he is young but - I wonder if Mayfield is a 'one (half-year) hit wonder?
God.........................could asphole Rex Ryan be right about him?
FWIW, I hate to see any continuity, once again, dissipate before fully formed.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
RE: Baker, it could have- and it was opined elsewhere canning Zampeze might factor into Mayfield's regression, and another reason Dorsey was asked to take a reduced role. For sure, Mayfield has to realize doing those Progressive commercials was a big mistake. He's a far cry from Aaron Rodgers and State Farm. Year three will tell if we have a one year Anderson flash in the pan QB- or the real deal John. I'll hope for the best, the talent is there- but not the consistency. Those TD passes against the Bengals to Landry and OBJ were as good as it gets.
I hope you're right?
Ironically, I was in FL with my family and we were watching football with my brother-in-law - a huge Packers' fan. After watching the Baker-in-the-bathroom State Farm ad, my brother -in-law asked me, "why is a mediocre QB' getting these State Farm ads.....................just a reference to your earlier comment on how things look on the 'outside'
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Not again. What a mess. I guess I won't be keen on following the offseason this year.
It's almost like they want us to hate on the Browns.
Not again. What a mess. I guess I won't be keen on following the offseason this year.
It's almost like they want us to hate on the Browns.
I'd love to smuggle in a huge "Haslams: SELL THE BROWNS" banner and walk it around the stadium during a game next year, just to see how long before security busts ass to take it away.
Where in the stadium is their box?
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Not again. What a mess. I guess I won't be keen on following the offseason this year.
It's almost like they want us to hate on the Browns.
I'd love to smuggle in a huge "Haslams: SELL THE BROWNS" banner and walk it around the stadium during a game next year, just to see how long before security busts ass to take it away.
Where in the stadium is their box?
I'd love to smuggle in a huge "Haslams: SELL THE BROWNS" banner and walk it around the stadium during a game next year, just to see how long before security busts ass to take it away.
Where in the stadium is their box?
Maybe that would get you permanently banned from the stadium.
Also, maybe you get that going for you.
Sad.
Happy New Year everyone, stuff like this makes me relativize the importance of things: hope all of you have a great 2020 in your personal and work life
... Since we might be screwed in sports, lol.
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I'd love to smuggle in a huge "Haslams: SELL THE BROWNS" banner and walk it around the stadium during a game next year, just to see how long before security busts ass to take it away.
Where in the stadium is their box?
Maybe that would get you permanently banned from the stadium.
Also, maybe you get that going for you.
Sad.
Happy New Year everyone, stuff like this makes me relativize the importance of things: hope all of you have a great 2020 in your personal and work life
... Since we might be screwed in sports, lol.
Happy New Year everyone, stuff like this makes me relativize the importance of things: hope all of you have a great 2020 in your personal and work life
... Since we might be screwed in sports, lol.
Happy New Year in Spain for you too Nero. And I will enjoy my work life of leaf mulching/bagging, house cleaning and meal making. I think actual work was easier.?
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This Franchise is a complete an utter dumpster fire. 5-11 incoming.
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This Franchise is a complete an utter dumpster fire. 5-11 incoming.
This Franchise is a complete an utter dumpster fire. 5-11 incoming.
I actually think they might settle down and be better with no "SUPER BOWL OR BUST" pressure on them plus their easier 2020 schedule 8-8 might be easy.
Really now I'm picking the 2020 final record.
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Fun thread to revisit...
From all the early "gonna be McDaniels" and "gonna be McCarthy" proclamations to Dutch taking yet another unsubstantiated shot at Sashi (Joe Banner set him up with picks and cap room... despite two intervening years of Farmer, who in his last draft made 14 picks of which only one was in rounds 6 and 7).
Anywho... reason I dug up the thread was MKC's latest column led me to stumble across an old KC Star article that included all the official statements at the time trying to paint Dorsey's departure as "mutually decided."
Getting a shot in at Dutch was just a perk...
I still think the parting played out more like this:
Jimmah: We don't want you here.
Johnny: OK, I'll leave.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article238866988.html
Anyone still missing Dorsey?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Fun thread to revisit...
From all the early "gonna be McDaniels" and "gonna be McCarthy" proclamations to Dutch taking yet another unsubstantiated shot at Sashi (Joe Banner set him up with picks and cap room... despite two intervening years of Farmer, who in his last draft made 14 picks of which only one was in rounds 6 and 7).
Anywho... reason I dug up the thread was MKC's latest column led me to stumble across an old KC Star article that included all the official statements at the time trying to paint Dorsey's departure as "mutually decided."
Getting a shot in at Dutch was just a perk...
I still think the parting played out more like this:
Jimmah: We don't want you here.
Johnny: OK, I'll leave.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article238866988.html
Anyone still missing Dorsey?
Fun thread to revisit...
From all the early "gonna be McDaniels" and "gonna be McCarthy" proclamations to Dutch taking yet another unsubstantiated shot at Sashi (Joe Banner set him up with picks and cap room... despite two intervening years of Farmer, who in his last draft made 14 picks of which only one was in rounds 6 and 7).
Anywho... reason I dug up the thread was stumbled across an old KC Star article with all the official statements at the time trying to paint Dorsey's departure as "mutually decided."
I think it played out more like this:
Jimmah: We don't want you here.
Johnny: OK, I'll leave.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article238866988.html
Anyone still missing Dorsey?
I was wondering why this thread of all threads was being dug up... then I saw who the last person in the thread is...
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I don't miss him.
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Anyone still missing Dorsey?
I say it is too early to tell. I mean, if the guys that Berry has picked all turn out to be stiffs the way a lot of Sashi's picks were, then yea, we might be missing him.
Well, I guess he did take Garrett. No brainer there. But, Coleman, and Coleman, and Ogbah, Peppers, Njoku (still questionable). etc.
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Fun thread to revisit...
From all the early "gonna be McDaniels" and "gonna be McCarthy" proclamations to Dutch taking yet another unsubstantiated shot at Sashi (Joe Banner set him up with picks and cap room... despite two intervening years of Farmer, who in his last draft made 14 picks of which only one was in rounds 6 and 7).
Anywho... reason I dug up the thread was stumbled across an old KC Star article with all the official statements at the time trying to paint Dorsey's departure as "mutually decided."
I think it played out more like this:
Jimmah: We don't want you here.
Johnny: OK, I'll leave.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article238866988.html
Anyone still missing Dorsey?
I was wondering why this thread of all threads was being dug up... then I saw who the last person in the thread is...
I was wondering why this thread of all threads was being dug up... then I saw who the last person in the thread is...
Hey... it's slow season... although NASCAR and Golf (sorta) are back!
As for "holes"... I wasn't the one touting Bannon. ?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I was wondering why this thread of all threads was being dug up... then I saw who the last person in the thread is...
Hey... it's slow season... although NASCAR and Golf (sorta) are back!
As for "holes"... I wasn't the one touting Bannon. ?
Hey... it's slow season... although NASCAR and Golf (sorta) are back!
As for "holes"... I wasn't the one touting Bannon. ?
No, I think it's because you have this weird-ass obsession about me not buying into the "Nerd Herd" that you love with all your heart.
I mean, you literally brought this topic out of the deepest of left fields for reasons only known to you.
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Hey... it's slow season... although NASCAR and Golf (sorta) are back!
As for "holes"... I wasn't the one touting Bannon. ?
No, I think it's because you have this weird-ass obsession about me not buying into the "Nerd Herd" that you love with all your heart.
I mean, you literally brought this topic out of the deepest of left fields for reasons only known to you.
No, I think it's because you have this weird-ass obsession about me not buying into the "Nerd Herd" that you love with all your heart.
I mean, you literally brought this topic out of the deepest of left fields for reasons only known to you.
At this point, for sure. The point in time that this would be a legitimate item of discussion would be in a couple of years, after we have had time to know how Berry has done with his picks.
Though perhaps the way to morph this into a currently relevant topic of discussion is to say:
Compare and contrast the records of Sashi Brown and John Dorsey. There might be some meat on those bones at this point.
So go at that if you will.
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Anyone still missing Dorsey?
I say it is too early to tell. I mean, if the guys that Berry has picked all turn out to be stiffs the way a lot of Sashi's picks were, then yea, we might be missing him.
Well, I guess he did take Garrett. No brainer there. But, Coleman, and Coleman, and Ogbah, Peppers, Njoku (still questionable). etc.
Anyone still missing Dorsey?
I say it is too early to tell. I mean, if the guys that Berry has picked all turn out to be stiffs the way a lot of Sashi's picks were, then yea, we might be missing him.
Well, I guess he did take Garrett. No brainer there. But, Coleman, and Coleman, and Ogbah, Peppers, Njoku (still questionable). etc.
Like Corbett and some of the others are studding out. Even Hospital Ward is a disappointment if he always sees stars and how cobweb in his head.
Dorsey had a lot of picks. I am still hopeful Baker works out.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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