Browns players taking a knee
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You are right.
No one ever gave any athletes who chose to take a knee any shit. Not once.
The difference between people that have angry words for kneelers and the actions of people that destroy businesses, burn properties, tear down statues and vandalize neighborhoods and city blocks is night and day.
The difference between people that have angry words for kneelers and the actions of people that destroy businesses, burn properties, tear down statues and vandalize neighborhoods and city blocks is night and day.
I agree, the Tulsa race massacre is a part of American history that isn't publicized enough!
And the tearing down statues is the same -- Everyone who fought "On The Side Of The South" was a terrorist fighting against America, period dot end of story. Confederates remain the most coddled bunch of losers in the history of the world. If police actually wanted to "fight for justice," they'd throw in prison and beat everyone flying or otherwise supporting the flag that represents nothing more than insurrection and the execution of both federal law enforcement and armed forces - you know, actual threats, unlike antifa. It does also represent states rights -- the right of people within a state to enslave others. The event kicking off the civil war was Northern sheriffs refusing to enforce the "rights" of slaveholders in Southern states to own black people.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Really? You mean like you hope that someone engages in sexual intercourse with him? How nice and considerate of you. Got anyone in mind? (I guess he does have a wife...start with her)
No not really. "Fuck him" was not meant to be taken literally. It is meant to be an angry rejection of someone or something. Similar to "go to hell".
Think very hard before you come back telling me I can't recognize sarcasm.
No not really. "Fuck him" was not meant to be taken literally. It is meant to be an angry rejection of someone or something. Similar to "go to hell".
Think very hard before you come back telling me I can't recognize sarcasm.
I am not being sarcastic at all. How about thinking very hard about the words you say. Just how did a directive to go have sexual intercourse morph into an "angry rejection or someone or something?" I mean, after all there if very little distinction between "I want to fuck you" and "Fuck you", isn't there?
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Interesting that over the last 18 hours on this board that this is the ONLY thread to have any posts submitted.
When did football take a back seat on this forum?
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Conservatives thinking their feelings matter is already real, real old. You're welcome to have a feeling, but you are not welcome to tell someone else what to do.
It's his choice - not yours. You absolutely have zero justification for trying to tell him "how" or "when" to protest - or not - you arrogant self-righteous ass.
Nobody asked [or will ask] you if it's OK to protest.. because it's never going to be the right time or method or message or some other excuse to always ignore actual problems.
TLDR: Get over yourself.
What?
Holy crap, I'm not taking sides. I merely pointed out an observation about politics & sports.
Also...what does TLDR mean?
What?
Holy crap, I'm not taking sides. I merely pointed out an observation about politics & sports.
Also...what does TLDR mean?
Too Long; Didn't Read
Basically it's a way to put a summary at the end of a long post
Or a response to mock a long post
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"These players are disrespecting the flag! The NFL should force them to stand or fire them! They hate America!"
* Baker says he'll kneel *
"Well, uh, I'll just DVR it and skip the kneeling. Yeah. That'll show em"
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Glad to help.
Baker may as well be kneeling before black people asking forgiveness for his "white privilege", and perhaps that is what he's really doing..
Isn't that what we're all supposed to be doing now?
Fuck all you ignorant liberal (redundant, I know) form of white trash who have been nurturing this false narrative. The facts don't matter, only your feelings do.
Hail to your Moses, Colin Kaperdick chosen by god to deliver his people.
You are clearly the ignorant one. And you are clearly the one nurturing false narratives.....all fueled by your hate, prejudice and ignorance.
The false narrative being that you see being "anti-racist" as requiring that people kneel to black people and apologize for white privilege.
Nothing of the sort, of course, is being asked. What is being asked?
Simply that all people be treated decently and equally. But clearly those are concepts that you are opposed to.
But clearly those are concepts that you are opposed to.
He's very much a fan of the "stay on the plantation" political concepts -- the notion that old conservative white people get to tell everyone else what they can do and when they can do it. They're very uncomfortable getting slapped in the face with the reality that they don't have that power any more.
The reason current protests have such force and broad support is because the protests are against BOTH parties -- this is precisely the reason for Biden's "If you don't support me, you ain't black" comment at the end of his interview with Charlemagne a couple wks ago.. Biden also represents the group who thinks they control the narrative and actually think they can/should tell Black people when it's OK to speak. [Nobody has forgotten Biden was one of the major architects of the war on black people - excuse me, drugs.]
It's why these protests are NOT just "one side" --- these protests represent a fracturing of the Democratic party coalition of civil rights/labor and money.
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But clearly those are concepts that you are opposed to.
He's very much a fan of the "stay on the plantation" political concepts -- the notion that old conservative white people get to tell everyone else what they can do and when they can do it. They're very uncomfortable getting slapped in the face with the reality that they don't have that power any more.
The reason current protests have such force and broad support is because the protests are against BOTH parties -- this is precisely the reason for Biden's "If you don't support me, you ain't black" comment at the end of his interview with Charlemagne a couple wks ago.. Biden also represents the group who thinks they control the narrative and actually think they can/should tell Black people when it's OK to speak. [Nobody has forgotten Biden was one of the major architects of the war on black people - excuse me, drugs.]
It's why these protests are NOT just "one side" --- these protests represent a fracturing of the Democratic party coalition of civil rights/labor and money.
He's very much a fan of the "stay on the plantation" political concepts -- the notion that old conservative white people get to tell everyone else what they can do and when they can do it. They're very uncomfortable getting slapped in the face with the reality that they don't have that power any more.
The reason current protests have such force and broad support is because the protests are against BOTH parties -- this is precisely the reason for Biden's "If you don't support me, you ain't black" comment at the end of his interview with Charlemagne a couple wks ago.. Biden also represents the group who thinks they control the narrative and actually think they can/should tell Black people when it's OK to speak. [Nobody has forgotten Biden was one of the major architects of the war on black people - excuse me, drugs.]
It's why these protests are explicitly NOT just "one side" --- these protests represent a fracturing of the Democrat party coalition of civil rights/labor and money.
I think that is a fallacy....to this extent: Do you really think that black people are going to look to the Republican party to represent their interests? I mean, seriously. The thing that you seem to be proposing is for a third party to be formed to primarily represent minority concerns, I see that possibility as simply causing this country to become more fractious.
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He's very much a fan of the "stay on the plantation" political concepts -- the notion that old conservative white people get to tell everyone else what they can do and when they can do it. They're very uncomfortable getting slapped in the face with the reality that they don't have that power any more.
The reason current protests have such force and broad support is because the protests are against BOTH parties -- this is precisely the reason for Biden's "If you don't support me, you ain't black" comment at the end of his interview with Charlemagne a couple wks ago.. Biden also represents the group who thinks they control the narrative and actually think they can/should tell Black people when it's OK to speak. [Nobody has forgotten Biden was one of the major architects of the war on black people - excuse me, drugs.]
It's why these protests are explicitly NOT just "one side" --- these protests represent a fracturing of the Democrat party coalition of civil rights/labor and money.
I think that is a fallacy....to this extent: Do you really think that black people are going to look to the Republican party to represent their interests? I mean, seriously. The thing that you seem to be proposing is for a third party to be formed to primarily represent minority concerns, I see that possibility as simply causing this country to become more fractious.
I think that is a fallacy....to this extent: Do you really think that black people are going to look to the Republican party to represent their interests? I mean, seriously. The thing that you seem to be proposing is for a third party to be formed to primarily represent minority concerns, I see that possibility as simply causing this country to become more fractious.
Not minority -- economic class. Yes, including white people. Until then, all groups that aren't represented can and should withhold their vote.. as has already begun to happen.
My working hypothesis is that the D party as currently constructed is millionaires whose sole purpose is to coopt and defenestrate all movements with any potential for substantive change.
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Not minority -- economic class. Yes, including white people. Until then, all groups that aren't represented can and should withhold their vote.. as has already begun to happen.
Uh, uhm, seriously? You are underrepresented....so withhold your vote? That is wholly anti-thetical. It is because the minority populace "withheld their vote" in 2016 and had no enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton that begat them Donald Trump. How counterproductive was that?
My working hypothesis is that the D party as currently constructed is millionaires whose sole purpose is to coopt and defenestrate all movements with any potential for substantive change.
Well, I think your hypothesis is about as valid as is alchemy. The Democratic Party nominated, and got elected an African-American President, and they made substantive change in a number of areas (particularly healthcare). There was some improvement in conditions for minorities made there, and the only reason more was not made was because Mitch McConnell vowed to block any efforts made by Obama to do anything.
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Baker essentially played the quarterback position on one knee last year, him starting the kneel a bit earlier this year is the only difference. That is gonna be one sore knee
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That must be those MA libs from the Browns forum.
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We 100% need a third party. Something more in the middle. Hell, a republican party without the outdated social issues baggage would be a place to start.
Other countries have more than two parties and they haven't descended into any worse chaos than us.
I voted 3rd party in 2016 for that exact reason. I didn't want to pick either the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwich
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Not minority -- economic class. Yes, including white people. Until then, all groups that aren't represented can and should withhold their vote.. as has already begun to happen.
Uh, uhm, seriously? You are underrepresented....so withhold your vote? That is wholly anti-thetical. It is because the minority populace "withheld their vote" in 2016 and had no enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton that begat them Donald Trump. How counterproductive was that?
My working hypothesis is that the D party as currently constructed is millionaires whose sole purpose is to coopt and defenestrate all movements with any potential for substantive change.
Well, I think your hypothesis is about as valid as is alchemy. The Democratic Party nominated, and got elected an African-American President, and they made substantive change in a number of areas (particularly healthcare). There was some improvement in conditions for minorities made there, and the only reason more was not made was because Mitch McConnell vowed to block any efforts made by Obama to do anything.
It is because the minority populace "withheld their vote" in 2016 and had no enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton that begat them Donald Trump. How counterproductive was that?
To them, it wasn't counterproductive at all.. And that's the point. Clinton made it clear she would give them nothing - and so they gave her nothing.
I seriously don't understand what point you're trying to make here.. they didn't see a difference between the two.
The Democratic Party nominated, and got elected an African-American President, and they made substantive change in a number of areas (particularly healthcare)
.. Substantive as defined by what? Two wars to seven? Please note that this is the entirety of the rationale.. the perspective of the person doing the defining of substantive for themselves is the key.
Anyone looking at the 08 and the most recent bailouts is aware that infinite cash is available... and yet the same person then looks at their own surroundings and sees that all trips to the hospital still result in them getting bankrupted.. and concludes that any "change" during the [token] black president accomplished diddly squat in their day to day life.
I really don't know how or why you actually believe O made substantive change.. that's not what people currently in the streets actually believe..
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
"These players are disrespecting the flag! The NFL should force them to stand or fire them! They hate America!"
* Baker says he'll kneel *
"Well, uh, I'll just DVR it and skip the kneeling. Yeah. That'll show em"
"These players are disrespecting the flag! The NFL should force them to stand or fire them! They hate America!"
* Baker says he'll kneel *
"Well, uh, I'll just DVR it and skip the kneeling. Yeah. That'll show em"
And root beer. Can’t forget root beer. It’s always a good time to show how minimally concerned you are with other people’s problems by highlighting your own first world problems, like availability of root beer.
You down with OPP? No man, root beer...
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"These players are disrespecting the flag! The NFL should force them to stand or fire them! They hate America!"
* Baker says he'll kneel *
"Well, uh, I'll just DVR it and skip the kneeling. Yeah. That'll show em"
And root beer. Can’t forget root beer. It’s always a good time to show how minimally concerned you are with other people’s problems by highlighting your own first world problems, like availability of root beer.
You down with OPP? No man, root beer...
You down with OPP? No man, root beer...
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It is because the minority populace "withheld their vote" in 2016 and had no enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton that begat them Donald Trump. How counterproductive was that?
To them, it wasn't counterproductive at all.. And that's the point. Clinton made it clear she would give them nothing - and so they gave her nothing.
I seriously don't understand what point you're trying to make here.. they didn't see a difference between the two.
The Democratic Party nominated, and got elected an African-American President, and they made substantive change in a number of areas (particularly healthcare)
.. Substantive as defined by what? Two wars to seven? Please note that this is the entirety of the rationale.. the perspective of the person doing the defining of substantive for themselves is the key.
Anyone looking at the 08 and the most recent bailouts is aware that infinite cash is available... and yet the same person then looks at their own surroundings and sees that all trips to the hospital still result in them getting bankrupted.. and concludes that any "change" during the [token] black president accomplished diddly squat in their day to day life.
I really don't know how or why you actually believe O made substantive change.. that's not what people currently in the streets actually believe..
To them, it wasn't counterproductive at all.. And that's the point. Clinton made it clear she would give them nothing - and so they gave her nothing.
I seriously don't understand what point you're trying to make here.. they didn't see a difference between the two.
The point is that there is a VAST difference between the two when it comes to how minority rights are treated. If you cannot see that, I don't know what century you are living in.
.. Substantive as defined by what? Two wars to seven? Please note that this is the entirety of the rationale.. the perspective of the person doing the defining of substantive for themselves is the key.
Anyone looking at the 08 and the most recent bailouts is aware that infinite cash is available... and yet the same person then looks at their own surroundings and sees that all trips to the hospital still result in them getting bankrupted.. and concludes that any "change" during the [token] black president accomplished diddly squat in their day to day life.
I really don't know how or why you actually believe O made substantive change.. that's not what people currently in the streets actually believe..
OK, sure, while you or others may think that Obama did no go overwhelmingly radically left, and apparently you hold that against him.....He did accomplish far far more, or at least gave a far, far better effort at accomplishing "liberal" goals than any Republican ever would have attempted..or accomplished. If you don't think so, ask some of the right wing fringers around here who claim that he went way way left. They are as wrong as you are. Obama was at heart a centrist, and tried to accomplish things from the center. The far fringe right wingers hated him for being president while being black, and the far left fringers didn't like that he didn't go as far left as perhaps they expected him to go. What that means is that we had a President that governed from the center....or perhaps slightly left of center. Which to me is appropriate.
But, I hope you are happy that you have a far right wing fringer occupying the highest position in the land....and that you are happy with his accomplishments (or lack thereof). Somehow I do not think that is how you roll.
So...why don't you tell us what YOU expected of him that he did not accomplish, or did not attempt to accomplish.
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Bob, a LOT of folks feel that way. Kneeling during our national anthem, etc, just alienates folks who DO care about racism, but do NOT equate it with our Flag, or our national anthem. I see more like "I make millions of dollars, but I don't want the poor folks to think I don't care, so I'm gonna act out in public".
It's easy to ignore, I can just set the DVR to 5 minutes after the game starts, or fast forward it ... whatever. My biggest concern is if they quit making Frostie or Barq's rootbeer this fall because of the corona virus.
Calf, it only alienates you if you choose to be alienated by it. OR, you can do like Baker and others have done and take a step or 2 to acknowledge the problem, and then you can use that brain of yours to be part of an amicable solution.
Or you could worry about root beer. Really? Fucking root beer?
Calf, it only alienates you if you choose to be alienated by it. OR, you can do like Baker and others have done and take a step or 2 to acknowledge the problem, and then you can use that brain of yours to be part of an amicable solution.
Or you could worry about root beer. Really? Fucking root beer?
Not really true - I stand by my principles - respecting our Country is one of them. There is no reason to disrespect the Anthem/Flag just to get attention for a just cause, than there is to burn down businesses/rob businesses, beat up/murder even BLACK policemen, and slur ALL policemen out there.
I didn't say it's illegal, all I said was, it is disrespect to our country, and alienating other folks they allegedly want to get on board....I don't appreciate it, and I care about the issue, but it doesn't make me care one bit more.
It has done NOTHING to help solve the problem. Therefore, it is not a solution, nor a lead in to discussions about a solution. I choose to stand by my principles, therefore kneeling is disrespect to attention, and I don't care to condone it.
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"These players are disrespecting the flag! The NFL should force them to stand or fire them! They hate America!"
* Baker says he'll kneel *
"Well, uh, I'll just DVR it and skip the kneeling. Yeah. That'll show em"
And root beer. Can’t forget root beer. It’s always a good time to show how minimally concerned you are with other people’s problems by highlighting your own first world problems, like availability of root beer.
You down with OPP? No man, root beer...
And root beer. Can’t forget root beer. It’s always a good time to show how minimally concerned you are with other people’s problems by highlighting your own first world problems, like availability of root beer.
You down with OPP? No man, root beer...
liberals have NO sense of legit humor.
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That must be those MA libs from the Browns forum.
That must be those MA libs from the Browns forum.
? YES- baconhound and unsympathetic
your ok in my book DH
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