Ravens release Earl Thomas

[htownbrown]

I'm just happy to have him out of the division.  ️

[The Gipper]

@dutch-oven said:

Who does he think is this team's strong safety? 

Kevin Johnson, list on depth chart as starting SS.    Lacerated liver?  

Except....well....Fuck Me.    I am confusing him  with Karl Joseph. 

KJ 1   Karl Joseph SS  KJ 2 Kevin Johnson   CB     One KJ looks like all the others

[Dutch Oven]

@the-gipper said:

Kevin Johnson, list on depth chart as starting SS.    Lacerated liver?  

Except....well....Fuck Me.    I am confusing him  with Karl Joseph. 

KJ 1   Karl Joseph SS  KJ 2 Kevin Johnson   CB     One KJ looks like all the others

Oh ok, I was wondering who you were talking about. 

[WarriorsRpussies]

Nope got waived.

[D Bone]

Dude would have a serious chip on his shoulder for a team the browns need to beat twice, and at a position of need.......

[Unsympathetic]

KJ was on track to be the 3rd/slot corner.. Thomas wouldn't be the worst guy to sign on a prove-it deal, plus if a division rival is paying his salary so much the better.

[Icecube]

@the-gipper said:

The fuck....have you been paying attention?  Our starting  SS just basically went down for the season, and the backup was a street UDFA no one has ever heard of.   And how is it that Thomas, who was considered a great team leader in Seattle, all of a sudden a team cancer in Baltimore? 

 

I don't know "how" but apparently it happened. Reading Raven boards, it appears the coaches, the front office AND the players all wanted him gone. He seems like an angry, red-headed step child, at this point. He must have really been in a dick mode to have everyone against him. 

https://forum.russellstreetreport.com/showthread.php?198099-Should-the-Ravens-cut-trade-Earl-Thomas-and-resign-Tony-Jefferson/page39

[Orion]

@icecube said:

He must have really been in a dick

Yeah, something smells rotten with him.

[gumby73]

@unsympathetic said:

KJ was on track to be the 3rd/slot corner.. 

3rd? Terrance Mitchell slot 1.... than whom?

[tiamat63]

@gumby73 said:

3rd? Terrance Mitchell slot 1.... than whom?

@unsympathetic said:

KJ was on track to be the 3rd/slot corner.. Thomas wouldn't be the worst guy to sign on a prove-it deal, plus if a division rival is paying his salary so much the better.

I think you guys are presuming that the depth chart for the CB's will be something more of a "traditional" role.  It won't, and those days are quickly diminishing.  It'll be skill set vs skill set now.      So for example on our schedule - Denzel will mostly draw Hollywood Brown in coverage game 1.    Ward just has the better foot speed and matches up better across the formation.   4 days later against the Bengals, you'll probably see Greedy and Mitchell on Green and Higgins (not to Tyler Boyd) out on the perimeter with Ward shadowing Ross or Tate.   Unless Boyd ends up getting matched in the middle.   

The strength of our CB's is lead by ward, but I'm not putting a 5'10 corner on a 6'4 AJ Green and Joe Woods will tend to avoid that as well.   I'll leave that to 6'1 Greedy or 5'11 (and change) Terrance Mitchell.        Don't forget, his best corner when he left Denver was Chris Harris who mostly drew skilled interior receivers.    

Point being, we have some varying physical skill sets that, if developed and deployed properly, give us quality responses to a range of different receiver corps we'll face this year.     Will Greedy and Ward be the 1st 2 on the field?  95% of the time yes.   Who they'll be matching up with though might be another matter entirely.     Don't forget how Gregg Williams went against ATL at home a couple years ago and how those assignments went.

[Icecube]

@tiamat63 said:

I think you guys are presuming that the depth chart for the CB's will be something more of a "traditional" role.  It won't, and those days are quickly diminishing.  It'll be skill set vs skill set now.      So for example on our schedule - Denzel will mostly draw Hollywood Brown in coverage game 1.    Ward just has the better foot speed and matches up better across the formation.   4 days later against the Bengals, you'll probably see Greedy and Mitchell on Green and Higgins (not to Tyler Boyd) out on the perimeter with Ward shadowing Ross or Tate.   Unless Boyd ends up getting matched in the middle.   

The strength of our CB's is lead by ward, but I'm not putting a 5'10 corner on a 6'4 AJ Green and Joe Woods will tend to avoid that as well.   I'll leave that to 6'1 Greedy or 5'11 (and change) Terrance Mitchell.        Don't forget, his best corner when he left Denver was Chris Harris who mostly drew skilled interior receivers.    

Point being, we have some varying physical skill sets that, if developed and deployed properly, give us quality responses to a range of different receiver corps we'll face this year.     Will Greedy and Ward be the 1st 2 on the field?  95% of the time yes.   Who they'll be matching up with though might be another matter entirely.     Don't forget how Gregg Williams went against ATL at home a couple years ago and how those assignments went.

Greedy and Ward have to play better. If they are just "solid" (not necessarily top 10, although Ward should be) the D could be pretty good. Still worried about LBs though. 

[WarriorsRpussies]

@d-bone said:

Dude would have a serious chip on his shoulder for a team the browns need to beat twice, and at a position of need.......

Yeah I say take a flyer on him. 6-8 million range with some incentive, little to NO guaranteed money. Really nothing to lose, if he sucks or is acting like a bitch, cut him. Watch the rapists sign him though.

[tiamat63]

@warriorsrpussies said:

Yeah I say take a flyer on him. 6-8 million range with some incentive, little to NO guaranteed money. Really nothing to lose, if he sucks or is acting like a bitch, cut him. Watch the rapists sign him though.

Their S situation is pretty set.  Especially since they have young Fitz playing center field.     Very much doubt they would bring in Earl and risk disrupting the chemistry they've built in their secondary.

[Orion]

Well, sadly OUR safety position has taken a hit.   Perhaps we NEED to sign the troublemaker.  

[gumby73]

@orion said:

Yeah, something smells rotten with him.

Sure it does.. After the Hawks traded up to get Thomas in the draft..Thomas is seen flipping off Pete Carol after getting injured because the Hawks would not trade him..this after playing for Carrol for 8 seasons

Thomas goes to another good Coach in John Harbaugh...and has not himself? but the team players vote Thomas out too...

Again... at age 31... We should want no part of this coaching headcase in Cleveland with again a new coaching staff... firm pass for me...Sendego/Redwine & next man up!

[Orion]

@gumby73 said:

but the team players vote Thomas out too...

Yeah.......you gotta be a special kind of asshole for that to happen.  I mean, what do you have to do?  Threaten to kill somebody?  

[The Gipper]

@gumby73 said:

Sure it does.. After the Hawks traded up to get Thomas in the draft..Thomas is seen flipping off Pete Carol after getting injured because the Hawks would not trade him..this after playing for Carrol for 8 seasons

Thomas goes to another good Coach in John Harbaugh...and has not himself? but the team players vote Thomas out too...

Again... at age 31... We should want no part of this coaching headcase in Cleveland with again a new coaching staff... firm pass for me...Sendego/Redwine & next man up!

OK, for 8 seasons he was a model citizen.  Then something happened?   Seems to me that it may be 2 things:   Thomas realizing, after that injury, that his football life may have been coming close to reaching its mortality.  Secondly....along with that comes the fact that his earning potential is diminished, and he protests (in the form of howling at the moon), over that. 

I think the best he can do is to face reality:   He is older and he will NOT command the kind of money that he probably thinks he should;   and that if he wants to stick around, he should face he fact that he  is likely going to have to sign a heavily incentive laden contract.  If he is good as he thinks he is, he CAN get paid a fair amount.  If not, he won't. 

That is where I see the issue....and the solution, for him.

[gumby73]

@the-gipper said:

I think the best he can do is to face reality:   He is older and he will NOT command the kind of money that he probably thinks he should;   and that if he wants to stick around, he should face he fact that he  is likely going to have to sign a heavily incentive laden contract.  If he is good as he thinks he is, he CAN get paid a fair amount.  If not, he won't. 

That is where I see the issue....and the solution, for him.

are you still holding??   Da Turds ?... just paid 15M to a attorney just like yourself, called Cap..to get rid of a 10M dollar problem...Thomas won't see that kind of dollar.., And than might go pout the rest of the season ? firing his agent just like the rest?..OR just maybe? ? Richard Sherman could make up some of the difference after s'he lands in San Fran?   what's a SB winning pot worth? between a few good old friends? Fans just wait for the drama of who's buying this talented guys BS next ?

[Icecube]

@the-gipper said:

OK, for 8 seasons he was a model citizen.  Then something happened?   Seems to me that it may be 2 things:   Thomas realizing, after that injury, that his football life may have been coming close to reaching its mortality.  Secondly....along with that comes the fact that his earning potential is diminished, and he protests (in the form of howling at the moon), over that. 

I think the best he can do is to face reality:   He is older and he will NOT command the kind of money that he probably thinks he should;   and that if he wants to stick around, he should face he fact that he  is likely going to have to sign a heavily incentive laden contract.  If he is good as he thinks he is, he CAN get paid a fair amount.  If not, he won't. 

That is where I see the issue....and the solution, for him.

It's not just that he's older, he's basically an asshole. And if he wants to get better, lose 15 lbs. He's carrying too much weight. Yes, safeties have to hit, but they have to cover too. 

[The Gipper]

@gumby73 said:

are you still holding??   Da Turds ?... just paid 15M to a attorney just like yourself, called Cap..to get rid of a 10M dollar problem...Thomas won't see that kind of dollar.., And than might go pout the rest of the season ? firing his agent just like the rest?..OR just maybe? ? Richard Sherman could make up some of the difference after s'he lands in San Fran?   what's a SB winning pot worth? between a few good old friends? Fans just wait for the drama of who's buying this talented guys BS next ?

I know that Thomas won't see that kind of money....that is what I said.  He has to take whatever deal he can get.