Baker Mayfield
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I'm not sure why you all are frying mayfield. He wasn't good today but his ribs are also fucked up and he's already on his second coach since being drafted. It's going to take time and if the Browns reset again it's going to take even longer. Is he worth his draft position? no, is he a bad qb? I don't think he is and he has the confidence to bounce back. The AFC north is a really tough division. You gotta give that guy some credit for trotting out there today, he was hurting.
I'm not sure why you all are frying mayfield. He wasn't good today but his ribs are also fucked up and he's already on his second coach since being drafted. It's going to take time and if the Browns reset again it's going to take even longer. Is he worth his draft position? no, is he a bad qb? I don't think he is and he has the confidence to bounce back. The AFC north is a really tough division. You gotta give that guy some credit for trotting out there today, he was hurting.
Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
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Well this will make you sick. Washed up QB Ryan Tannehill during the 14 games he has started for the Tits before yesterday had 3 more TDs than Mahomes in that same time period and the same number of interceptions. He had over 3000 yds passing which was less than 70 from Mahomes' total. Now Mahomes has to match him tonight since Tannehill was 30 of 41 for 364 yd with 4 TDs and 1 INT with a win in OT. We coulda had him cheap when he left Miami. Dolphins traded Tannehill and a sixth-round selection in the 2019 draft to the Tits in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2020 draft and a seventh-round selection in the 2019 draft.
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One thing is for certain, good teams and good players are quick to put the inevitable bad game behind them and respond the following game.
Baker and the Browns go on the road, against their in-state division rival who is playing with reckless abandon.... Simply gotta have it.
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I'm not sure why you all are frying mayfield. He wasn't good today but his ribs are also fucked up and he's already on his second coach since being drafted. It's going to take time and if the Browns reset again it's going to take even longer. Is he worth his draft position? no, is he a bad qb? I don't think he is and he has the confidence to bounce back. The AFC north is a really tough division. You gotta give that guy some credit for trotting out there today, he was hurting.
Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
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Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
Sweet! I'm a real one after all. Pretty much how I feel too, as if you have to say or show it, then you aren't.
^ I have never liked that about him, or in any other player.... simply not my style.
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Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
Sweet! I'm a real one after all. Pretty much how I feel too, as if you have to say or show it, then you aren't.
^ I have never liked that about him, or in any other player.... simply not my style.
I think some of us have commented on that earlier. I've many times stated that he should keep quiet from the media, stop doing commercials and focus on his play instead of the rah-rah, because this is not College anymore.
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Baker was not my first pick...Josh Allen was. He reminded me of Testeverde, who was a bust until he had the right coaching. Mayfield is our QB, and I'm not ready to give up on him. He's never going to be Aaron Rodgers, but when he is playing with confidence, he can be more than adequate to win games. As for yesterday...he sucked. He should not have been playing...especially against the Squealers. Personally, I think his confidence was severely damaged last season, and he is still not fully recovered. He may never be the same player we saw at the end of 2018. I'm not trying to make excuses, but the team needs stability at the qb position. I think we have the right coach....even though he had a bad day yesterday, so I'm not ready to bench Mayfield in favor of Case Keenum...yet. However, with the injured ribs, I think I would have strongly considered starting Keenum yesterday.
I agree with most of that, except it's easy to look in the rear view mirror & say they should have sat him due to injury.
I think Keenum would have met the same fate. The pitt front 7 just killed the Browns O line.
I agree with most of that, except it's easy to look in the rear view mirror & say they should have sat him due to injury.
I think Keenum would have met the same fate. The pitt front 7 just killed the Browns O line.
No doubt.....starting Keenum would not have changed the outcome. Bottom line...it doesn't matter if it's Brady, Brees, Mahomes, etc.....when the opponent's defense can put that kind of pressure on the qb, there;s no passing game.
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One thing is for certain, good teams and good players are quick to put the inevitable bad game behind them and respond the following game.
Baker and the Browns go on the road, against their in-state division rival who is playing with reckless abandon.... Simply gotta have it.
One thing is for certain, good teams and good players are quick to put the inevitable bad game behind them and respond the following game.
Baker and the Browns go on the road, against their in-state division rival who is playing with reckless abandon.... Simply gotta have it.
Yep!!!
Dont let this one roll over to the next. We could really use the next two actually. Have to put this one behind quickly.
The ribs were obviously not well.
Although The INTS were bad and were more mental than physical.
The First one was awful. Sunday morning I was watching a film breakdown on ESPN of our matchup prior to our game. A good point was brought up and to summarize it -Baker becomes a spazz at times and doesn’t read the field at all. That was definitely a spazz moment. He has the cool comments and seemingly can think on his toes in other aspects but it changes with pass rushers bearing down on him. Is he a one read QB like the general consensus seems to indicate? Maybe.The Good ones (A. Rodgers, Mahomes) elude pressure and can keep their eyes downfield on targets. Baker hasn’t been able to elude while reading coverage and making throws as well.
The second INT was not good (I’m not going to put it in the awful basket) he tried to force a play the same kind of play he’s made the past couple weeks. That’s the good/bad you get with him. The first INT you gotta change that.
If you go back to Okie tape- he’s winning because of play design he didn’t possess NFL accuracy then. Lincoln Riley was/is a play design savant. They had Lamb and Co. running routes 10 yards free of coverage. Baker doesn’t consistently possess NFL accuracy now. His last college game against Georgia you saw a good defensive minded coach (minus Saturday) expose his accuracy and Baker’s inability to elude pressure wile reading defenses and making throws into coverage. But Every now and then you get teased with the Ohio St. 2017 game.
He hasn’t fooled anyone he’s gotten better with experience but he’s still a work in progress. His confidence is unwavering. So he will climb back up next week and have more positive than negative plays.
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for the browns to take the next step. The next step being rising to the top of the division, or at least alongside the top of the division with the steelers and Ravens. Right now the steelers and the ravens rightfully consider themselves rivals to each other and measure their success against each other. We are not part of that equation right now, and the steelers do not consider us relevant or a rival to them. The question is can they get there, and how do they get to that point.
So let's start with one key point- This is a passing league, has been for a long time, and the only way a team is going to get to the top of the mountain is with an uber efficient and successful passing game and/or an atypical running game(like Baltimore has founded on the qb running) which complements a successful passing attack(like Baltimore has). A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
So given that the browns have to throw the ball a bunch successfully to be successful against upper end competition, how do they get there? The reality is baker just has to play better.....but the browns could help him by using fewer 1st and 2nd down plays to run the ball.
In a hypothetical situation where a team has the league's worst qb, marginal recievers, and the league's best traditional running game(again to remove a team like baltimore from the equation).....throwing the football on first and second down is *still* going to be more efficient than running the ball. That's just the way it is. The likely 'break even point* for when running the ball on 1st and 2nd down equals the efficiency of the passing game would likely be 7.4-7.5 yards per carry when you consider the downsides of running(more holding penalties, fewer chunk plays leading directly to points) against the positives(eliminating the interception risk). Obviously no team is going to average 7 and a half yards per carry, but the other side of this is the browns don't have the league's worst qbs and certainly don't have marginal recievers.
So if the browns are going to take the next step, they are going to do so throwing the football a lot better than they are doing now.
One way to increase the odds of doing that is fewer runs on 1st and 2nd down.....time and time again when baker struggles and the browns get thumped, when you go back and look at the game log on offense we see handoffs to the running backs which set up 2nd and 3rd and log. Converting more of those less efficient runs into first and second down play action passing is going to put Baker in a better situation....
and remember, running the football successfully *DOES NOT* set up play action pass. This has been disproven in that we now know that play action passing is successful completely independently of running the football.
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I agree with most of that, except it's easy to look in the rear view mirror & say they should have sat him due to injury.
I think Keenum would have met the same fate. The pitt front 7 just killed the Browns O line.
No doubt.....starting Keenum would not have changed the outcome. Bottom line...it doesn't matter if it's Brady, Brees, Mahomes, etc.....when the opponent's defense can put that kind of pressure on the qb, there;s no passing game.
No doubt.....starting Keenum would not have changed the outcome. Bottom line...it doesn't matter if it's Brady, Brees, Mahomes, etc.....when the opponent's defense can put that kind of pressure on the qb, there;s no passing game.
Hey, did Baker have a terrible game? Hell yes. What the boo birds are forgetting is the entire offense had a terrible game. OL? Pass blocking stunk. Run blocking stunk. 4th and 1 is straight mano a mano, and our o- line got destroyed every time. From what I saw the WRs weren't getting open either, and Baker wasn't getting enough time to find them. 3\22 clean pockets. MHO based on our general ineptitude Sunday, Tom Brady in his prime would have fared little better.
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Our team literally is at pace to make the playoffs, and you guys are trying to write off Baker when his ribs are messed up, we're missing lineman, and he plays one off game against a 4-0 team.... Look at the entire season, not just one game. We have one of the most deadly rushing attacks, so his stats won't be 5 TDs 500 yards every week. Rodgers and other QB's have off games, and most of you are forgetting, it's only his third season. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre weren't the killing gunslingers until later on. Let the kid get his chance this year, I still believe in him.
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KNR had a moral victory session today.
They went through the list of teams the Browns were better than. We are better than 22 teams....supposedly.
We're better than JAX, NE, Jets, Mia, Bengals, Colts, Den, Dal, Wash, Phi, Giants, Atl, Hou, Ari, Car, Det, SF, and 5 more..
We were never this good so I'll take it.
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Baker was not my first pick...Josh Allen was. He reminded me of Testeverde, who was a bust until he had the right coaching. Mayfield is our QB, and I'm not ready to give up on him. He's never going to be Aaron Rodgers, but when he is playing with confidence, he can be more than adequate to win games. As for yesterday...he sucked. He should not have been playing...especially against the Squealers. Personally, I think his confidence was severely damaged last season, and he is still not fully recovered. He may never be the same player we saw at the end of 2018. I'm not trying to make excuses, but the team needs stability at the qb position. I think we have the right coach....even though he had a bad day yesterday, so I'm not ready to bench Mayfield in favor of Case Keenum...yet. However, with the injured ribs, I think I would have strongly considered starting Keenum yesterday.
Baker was not my first pick...Josh Allen was. He reminded me of Testeverde, who was a bust until he had the right coaching. Mayfield is our QB, and I'm not ready to give up on him. He's never going to be Aaron Rodgers, but when he is playing with confidence, he can be more than adequate to win games. As for yesterday...he sucked. He should not have been playing...especially against the Squealers. Personally, I think his confidence was severely damaged last season, and he is still not fully recovered. He may never be the same player we saw at the end of 2018. I'm not trying to make excuses, but the team needs stability at the qb position. I think we have the right coach....even though he had a bad day yesterday, so I'm not ready to bench Mayfield in favor of Case Keenum...yet. However, with the injured ribs, I think I would have strongly considered starting Keenum yesterday.
Testicle was pure CACA!... Puhleeze!... Testicle was legally color blind and often threw it to the other team,.. No thanks... Vinny sucked ass leakage...
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for the browns to take the next step. The next step being rising to the top of the division, or at least alongside the top of the division with the steelers and Ravens. Right now the steelers and the ravens rightfully consider themselves rivals to each other and measure their success against each other. We are not part of that equation right now, and the steelers do not consider us relevant or a rival to them. The question is can they get there, and how do they get to that point.
So let's start with one key point- This is a passing league, has been for a long time, and the only way a team is going to get to the top of the mountain is with an uber efficient and successful passing game and/or an atypical running game(like Baltimore has founded on the qb running) which complements a successful passing attack(like Baltimore has). A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
So given that the browns have to throw the ball a bunch successfully to be successful against upper end competition, how do they get there? The reality is baker just has to play better.....but the browns could help him by using fewer 1st and 2nd down plays to run the ball.
In a hypothetical situation where a team has the league's worst qb, marginal recievers, and the league's best traditional running game(again to remove a team like baltimore from the equation).....throwing the football on first and second down is *still* going to be more efficient than running the ball. That's just the way it is. The likely 'break even point* for when running the ball on 1st and 2nd down equals the efficiency of the passing game would likely be 7.4-7.5 yards per carry when you consider the downsides of running(more holding penalties, fewer chunk plays leading directly to points) against the positives(eliminating the interception risk). Obviously no team is going to average 7 and a half yards per carry, but the other side of this is the browns don't have the league's worst qbs and certainly don't have marginal recievers.
So if the browns are going to take the next step, they are going to do so throwing the football a lot better than they are doing now.
One way to increase the odds of doing that is fewer runs on 1st and 2nd down.....time and time again when baker struggles and the browns get thumped, when you go back and look at the game log on offense we see handoffs to the running backs which set up 2nd and 3rd and log. Converting more of those less efficient runs into first and second down play action passing is going to put Baker in a better situation....
and remember, running the football successfully *DOES NOT* set up play action pass. This has been disproven in that we now know that play action passing is successful completely independently of running the football.
for the browns to take the next step. The next step being rising to the top of the division, or at least alongside the top of the division with the steelers and Ravens. Right now the steelers and the ravens rightfully consider themselves rivals to each other and measure their success against each other. We are not part of that equation right now, and the steelers do not consider us relevant or a rival to them. The question is can they get there, and how do they get to that point.
So let's start with one key point- This is a passing league, has been for a long time, and the only way a team is going to get to the top of the mountain is with an uber efficient and successful passing game and/or an atypical running game(like Baltimore has founded on the qb running) which complements a successful passing attack(like Baltimore has). A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
So given that the browns have to throw the ball a bunch successfully to be successful against upper end competition, how do they get there? The reality is baker just has to play better.....but the browns could help him by using fewer 1st and 2nd down plays to run the ball.
In a hypothetical situation where a team has the league's worst qb, marginal recievers, and the league's best traditional running game(again to remove a team like baltimore from the equation).....throwing the football on first and second down is *still* going to be more efficient than running the ball. That's just the way it is. The likely 'break even point* for when running the ball on 1st and 2nd down equals the efficiency of the passing game would likely be 7.4-7.5 yards per carry when you consider the downsides of running(more holding penalties, fewer chunk plays leading directly to points) against the positives(eliminating the interception risk). Obviously no team is going to average 7 and a half yards per carry, but the other side of this is the browns don't have the league's worst qbs and certainly don't have marginal recievers.
So if the browns are going to take the next step, they are going to do so throwing the football a lot better than they are doing now.
One way to increase the odds of doing that is fewer runs on 1st and 2nd down.....time and time again when baker struggles and the browns get thumped, when you go back and look at the game log on offense we see handoffs to the running backs which set up 2nd and 3rd and log. Converting more of those less efficient runs into first and second down play action passing is going to put Baker in a better situation....
and remember, running the football successfully *DOES NOT* set up play action pass. This has been disproven in that we now know that play action passing is successful completely independently of running the football.
First, Anyone that played or plays football and/or studied or studies football understands that Running the ball successfully DOES set up play action passing. I don’t even want to bother explaining it further- first for me because I love talking football.
Secondly, the throw oriented offense yesterday set up 2nd and 10 or worse yet 2nd and 14 after a sack. So I’d suggest in situations where the defense is pass rushing heavily and living in your backfield- It’s time to neutralize the blitz by running the ball. Definitely not slow developing passes either as Romo astutely pointed out. Last night, we saw the best player in football Aaron Donald neutralized by somewhat the same scheme we are trying to run. I heard a comment by one of analysts trying to cover for Donald because they hyped him so much- about the Niner offense keeping him off balance when they did throw because of the run.
We agree on one thing. Overall, I don’t disagree that Baker needs to do better.
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for the browns to take the next step. The next step being rising to the top of the division, or at least alongside the top of the division with the steelers and Ravens. Right now the steelers and the ravens rightfully consider themselves rivals to each other and measure their success against each other. We are not part of that equation right now, and the steelers do not consider us relevant or a rival to them. The question is can they get there, and how do they get to that point.
So let's start with one key point- This is a passing league, has been for a long time, and the only way a team is going to get to the top of the mountain is with an uber efficient and successful passing game and/or an atypical running game(like Baltimore has founded on the qb running) which complements a successful passing attack(like Baltimore has). A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
So given that the browns have to throw the ball a bunch successfully to be successful against upper end competition, how do they get there? The reality is baker just has to play better.....but the browns could help him by using fewer 1st and 2nd down plays to run the ball.
In a hypothetical situation where a team has the league's worst qb, marginal recievers, and the league's best traditional running game(again to remove a team like baltimore from the equation).....throwing the football on first and second down is *still* going to be more efficient than running the ball. That's just the way it is. The likely 'break even point* for when running the ball on 1st and 2nd down equals the efficiency of the passing game would likely be 7.4-7.5 yards per carry when you consider the downsides of running(more holding penalties, fewer chunk plays leading directly to points) against the positives(eliminating the interception risk). Obviously no team is going to average 7 and a half yards per carry, but the other side of this is the browns don't have the league's worst qbs and certainly don't have marginal recievers.
So if the browns are going to take the next step, they are going to do so throwing the football a lot better than they are doing now.
One way to increase the odds of doing that is fewer runs on 1st and 2nd down.....time and time again when baker struggles and the browns get thumped, when you go back and look at the game log on offense we see handoffs to the running backs which set up 2nd and 3rd and log. Converting more of those less efficient runs into first and second down play action passing is going to put Baker in a better situation....
and remember, running the football successfully *DOES NOT* set up play action pass. This has been disproven in that we now know that play action passing is successful completely independently of running the football.
for the browns to take the next step. The next step being rising to the top of the division, or at least alongside the top of the division with the steelers and Ravens. Right now the steelers and the ravens rightfully consider themselves rivals to each other and measure their success against each other. We are not part of that equation right now, and the steelers do not consider us relevant or a rival to them. The question is can they get there, and how do they get to that point.
So let's start with one key point- This is a passing league, has been for a long time, and the only way a team is going to get to the top of the mountain is with an uber efficient and successful passing game and/or an atypical running game(like Baltimore has founded on the qb running) which complements a successful passing attack(like Baltimore has). A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
So given that the browns have to throw the ball a bunch successfully to be successful against upper end competition, how do they get there? The reality is baker just has to play better.....but the browns could help him by using fewer 1st and 2nd down plays to run the ball.
In a hypothetical situation where a team has the league's worst qb, marginal recievers, and the league's best traditional running game(again to remove a team like baltimore from the equation).....throwing the football on first and second down is *still* going to be more efficient than running the ball. That's just the way it is. The likely 'break even point* for when running the ball on 1st and 2nd down equals the efficiency of the passing game would likely be 7.4-7.5 yards per carry when you consider the downsides of running(more holding penalties, fewer chunk plays leading directly to points) against the positives(eliminating the interception risk). Obviously no team is going to average 7 and a half yards per carry, but the other side of this is the browns don't have the league's worst qbs and certainly don't have marginal recievers.
So if the browns are going to take the next step, they are going to do so throwing the football a lot better than they are doing now.
One way to increase the odds of doing that is fewer runs on 1st and 2nd down.....time and time again when baker struggles and the browns get thumped, when you go back and look at the game log on offense we see handoffs to the running backs which set up 2nd and 3rd and log. Converting more of those less efficient runs into first and second down play action passing is going to put Baker in a better situation....
and remember, running the football successfully *DOES NOT* set up play action pass. This has been disproven in that we now know that play action passing is successful completely independently of running the football.
How did you conclude that? Two years ago, the Rams had a running game and made the SB. Last year the 9ers had a running game and made it. Those teams could pass because the rush made Ds bring up the safeties. Your better team throw under 30 x a game, usually if you are throwing 40 plus, you lose. Big Ben threw a mere 22 x and put up 38 and it could have been worse. 22. That's how Pitt wins. Rushing does matter for most teams. It's just that when you do throw, you need a QB who hits 65% or better. Can Baker do that?
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Whats more frustrating is.... We have two pro bowl receivers who are making a case to go to Canton And then I think of all the passes Marino tossed to Duper and Clayton... and still didnt win a sausage,,
Whats more frustrating is.... We have two pro bowl receivers who are making a case to go to Canton And then I think of all the passes Marino tossed to Duper and Clayton... and still didnt win a sausage,,
Danny didn't win a sausage but they had almost all winning records, always in the playoffs. From '83 to '99, the Fins had a total of one losing season with Marino. ONE. And had some 14-2, 12-4 type season along the way. I don't need to tell you Browns fans would kill for that kind of stretch. 166 years and only one losing season, and that might have been the year Dan was out. True, they only made it to one Show in that span, and didn't win, bt that's still quite impressive.
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for the browns to take the next step. The next step being rising to the top of the division, or at least alongside the top of the division with the steelers and Ravens. Right now the steelers and the ravens rightfully consider themselves rivals to each other and measure their success against each other. We are not part of that equation right now, and the steelers do not consider us relevant or a rival to them. The question is can they get there, and how do they get to that point.
So let's start with one key point- This is a passing league, has been for a long time, and the only way a team is going to get to the top of the mountain is with an uber efficient and successful passing game and/or an atypical running game(like Baltimore has founded on the qb running) which complements a successful passing attack(like Baltimore has). A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
So given that the browns have to throw the ball a bunch successfully to be successful against upper end competition, how do they get there? The reality is baker just has to play better.....but the browns could help him by using fewer 1st and 2nd down plays to run the ball.
In a hypothetical situation where a team has the league's worst qb, marginal recievers, and the league's best traditional running game(again to remove a team like baltimore from the equation).....throwing the football on first and second down is *still* going to be more efficient than running the ball. That's just the way it is. The likely 'break even point* for when running the ball on 1st and 2nd down equals the efficiency of the passing game would likely be 7.4-7.5 yards per carry when you consider the downsides of running(more holding penalties, fewer chunk plays leading directly to points) against the positives(eliminating the interception risk). Obviously no team is going to average 7 and a half yards per carry, but the other side of this is the browns don't have the league's worst qbs and certainly don't have marginal recievers.
So if the browns are going to take the next step, they are going to do so throwing the football a lot better than they are doing now.
One way to increase the odds of doing that is fewer runs on 1st and 2nd down.....time and time again when baker struggles and the browns get thumped, when you go back and look at the game log on offense we see handoffs to the running backs which set up 2nd and 3rd and log. Converting more of those less efficient runs into first and second down play action passing is going to put Baker in a better situation....
and remember, running the football successfully *DOES NOT* set up play action pass. This has been disproven in that we now know that play action passing is successful completely independently of running the football.
A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
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Window dressing aside pre-snap with run fit changes and such... You're absolutely dead wrong.
You're late though, I expected you to have this thread made by 6pm yesterday.
I'm still waiting on answers to my questions I proposed in your last thread. Then, as expected, you went MIA until the Browns lost. Nearly an entire month.
Pathetically fucking predictable.
You're not a Browns fan, you're a troll who can't answer questions with your own football I.Q. without standing on the shoulders of others. And you STILL can't give high level explanations on exactly what this team needs to do concept wise to ease Bakers passing struggles.
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