Anderson looking like the starter tonight
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Zombo said:
That makes no sense at all. What's my criteria? What are you even talking about?
Did I declare that Anderson "won" something last night? Are you responding to the wrong poster?
Zombo
--is this Bizarro Browns Board?
No I'm responding to your other personality that thinks he's Dr Detroit with in-depth power analyses on games he never sees.
Quit being a pussy straddling the fence all of a sudden. You know darn well you declared DA was not the answer after you inventoried popular opionion last Fall (immediately following Quinn's 2nd start that produced 30 points). I believe the purpose of your post was to declare "Quinn is the starter period." Ring a bell? Then magically, someone with administrative powers removed such a thread when I archived it 1 time too many this Spring. I'm sure if it ever resurfaces - it'll be all edited so you can maintain your straddle at the top of the fence.
WTF happened to you?
- Tom F.
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Zombo stop wasting your time typing. The BQ bandwagoneers are pissed about last night plain and simple and were SEARCHING HARD for anything...
I like the who 2 minute drill bs... he had about 1 minute with a 20 point lead had a tip int after throwing for over 100 yards in one quarter leading to scores.....
AVERAGE that out over terrible Detroit and he would have had a MONSTER game.... BQ I think would have had a good game also probably not as many yards but the same result.
Notice those same BQ fans dont talk about the near tip linebacker int that BQ almost threw when they mention DA.... neither was a terrible read or a forced play it was just how the ball happened to fall.
Seriously I am more concerned with the odd offensive playcalling from last week for DA was handed to BQ this week. I know it is preseason and I suspect it was situational to expose the QBs for review, but still odd. ST. Clair better be running some laps for blowing up BQ's decent drive.
ON a good note START JAMES DAVIS.... he hits the holes instead of tap dancing and STILL HAS A BURST!!!!!
Notice those same BQ fans dont talk about the near tip linebacker int that BQ almost threw when they mention DA.... neither was a terrible read or a forced play it was just how the ball happened to fall.
Night and day, night and day there. The Quinn play you refered to was a good read and a good throw. The LB had to jump and barely got a finger on the ball. The LB was able to tip it just enough that it became a tougher ball to catch (and then wasn't caught).
The DA INT was a good read/check down. The problem I have (and likely others) is two fold. First off the pocket step up by DA was just bad. He stepped right up into his lineman and the defender. Then he rockets the ball to to his check down RB. It is high and hard. There is no reason to throw the ball that hard from that distance. That is the issue. DA throws hard when he shouldn't, the ball sails, and ends up an INT.
One is how the ball happened to fall and one is sailing a ball that should have never been thrown as hard and resulted in a pick.
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Then he rockets the ball to to his check down RB. It is high and hard. There is no reason to throw the ball that hard from that distance. Masters
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DA seems to be a hard ball thrower, cannon arm, but his motion, is cannon ball. He doesn't seem to have developed an ability to control and adjust hit per circumstances.
it just seems to be his reaction, especially when he's in a hurry. It's a glaring weakness.
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Zombo said:
I think he can go 10-5 over 15 games. I think he can throw 29 TD passes in one year.I think he is a 25 year old QB with one of the best arms in the NFL.
I also think he is inconsistent and that Quinn would beat him out by now.
I was wrong.
Zombo
So let me ask what makes THIS Detroit massacre following 0-16 any different than the one Quinn provided in 2007 without any training camp reps before it? If we're using your criteria - it looked like Quinn WON the training camp job based on the Detroit Game. However, RAC's first 2 choices were the 2 knuckleheads that combined to throw 1 TD pass in 4 preseason games inspite of dominating the reps with the first team.
Understanding you've now provided 2 consecutive post game analyses without watching either game - let's take a closer look:
Wright gave Dumb Ass the ball at the Detroit 5 yard line and we needed a FG. Now that's MOVING the offense. Cribbs returns a punt 84 yards for a TD and some people want to borrow Loverboy's knee pads and go bobblehead on DA. Let's not get all pleasantly surprised DA was able to do what alot of mediocre starters and backups did to Detroit. If we're making Detroit our barometer for who should start all of a sudden - we're only inviting more Steeleahds to remind us we can't play Detroit every week. Evidently DA was able to have one of those false positives an 0-16 team provides. As last year showed - we didn't start out with opponents like Detroit. We played Dallas and scored 10 points, then we played Pittsburgh and scored 6 points, then we played Baltimore and scored 10 points. Later we played Indy and repeated the 6 point outburst over 60 minutes that some of us have lowered the standards of acceptability for. They didn't seem to care what Dumb Ass did to an 07 schedule that featured 10 candyasses averaging 4-5 wins apiece. It was up to DA to prove he could PROGRESS with that starting opportunity over 27 games. If he DID, there's a happy consensus we found our next Brian Sipe to make us FORGET there's a Mike Phipps not justifying a 1st round draft slot.
For those that don't understand this, RAC & Savage got fired for drafting a QB in round 1 and leaving the fans looking at the alternative starting us out with a 3-6 record the next season. When we beat the NEXT AFC team able to win more than 8 games it will mark the very 1st time DA has been able to do so in what would/could be his 4th year of starts in Cleveland. How is that impressive?
Folks, if you want the face of the Cleveland Browns to have a football IQ smaller than his shoe size - then God bless ya. There really hasn't been much evidence that teams will be as willing as our crapy opponents in 07 to boycott the scouting reports and film of DA. Even Cincy avenged their loss to DA by overwhelming him with 4 backbreaking INTs. Our DA fans here blamed Jim Sorgi and became the first group of people to say Tony Dungy lacked class.
Here's a polar extreme on accepting starting QBs. You STILL have too many PHILLY fans that hate McNabb for not being the Ricky Williams who would later choose a marijuana sebatical over football. And NOW you have a bunch of Cleveland fans that don't care what DA does with the rest of his starts because he was better than Charlie Frye and he beat a bunch of Detroit types in 2007. Doesn't matter if he ever comes out of the funk of playing like a dumb rookie.
- Tom F.
So let me ask what makes THIS Detroit massacre following 0-16 any different than the one Quinn provided in 2007 without any training camp reps before it?
it was against the starters rather than against the 4th string.
and it involved more than just screen passes and check downs.
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Are there any Browns fans actually on this board??
I tell you what, that was the most exciting 5 minutes at the start of a game I have seen in a long time. It was awsome to see all three phases of our team click. It's just too bad that this is preseason and we didn't whoop em in the regular season.
To be completely honest, I think Quinn should be the starter. That's my personal opinion and one I beleive after being a season ticket holder and watching ever game. Notice I said watching, to comment on a game and not actually watch it, well that's just dumb, you shouldn't even be allowed to speak, let alone call yourself a browns fan.
It was nice to see the good DA for once, but we all know what's going to happen, it will be ups-downs constantly and we will lose games we should win.
Neverless, whoever is the starter, I am proud to be a Browns fan and will support either of those guys when it comes down to it.
Unlike many people here.
Go Browns !!!
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I have to give it to DA, he played well in the first quarter. Quinn didn't play well or poorly, he just kinda came in and left too quickly to do any damage either way.
At least he didn't go in there and throw up a nasty pick like DA did in his mini-stint in game 1.
I think if Mangini doesn't name Quinn the starter now he's just as bad as Romeo.
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and it involved more than just screen passes and check downs.
Well one of those we know DA struggled with against DET
It was a preseason game. DA did what Quinn did the week before. Moved the ball and made some good throws. DA got to see the zone coverage that we already knew he could exploit and did.
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I think Zombo is catching heat he shouldn't. All along he has been pretty consistent and arbitrary on the QBs. I like DA too as a person but his inconsistency is frustrating. I think where I disagree with Z is he is willing to give DA another opportunity and needs to see more from Quinn. I disagree with the former and agree with the latter. Quinn hasn't done a ton to win. I wantto see more.
Zombo is a huge Browns fan and not a fag of either QB. He takes the right approach. But I am sour on DA because he sucks you in like last night and then drops a poop log the next.
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Zombo said:
I'm glad Quinn showed us how to follow up a dropped pass in the end zone last week.
"Derek Anderson started and went 6-of-9 for 119 yards in the first quarter including completions of 39 yards to Braylon Edwards, 24 yards to Mohamed Massaquoi and 20 to Cribbs. He finished 8-of-13 for 130 yards and was intercepted by William James in the closing seconds of the first half on a pass that went off Davis' hands and led to the field goal that provided the Lions' first points."
Here is the reaction to that last pass in Camp Quinn:
Definition of straddling the fence the way Ghoolie would draft it up. Claim you're hoping Quinn wins the job and then toss grenades at Camp Quinn as if you never wanted this franchise to give him a chance.
I see you doing this and all I can think of was you coming out of the woodwork last November when Quinn averaged 30 points a start in his first 2 games. You inventoried popular opinion and found the timing just right to confidently declare DA just wasn't the answer for this franchise. That was punctuated with "Quinn is the starting QB of this franchise - period! End of arguement."
You'll have to excuse me for remembering how definitive you were. BTW, DA isn't winning lately. He's 3-6 in his last 9 starts. Here's 4 of them vrs teams that CAN win more than 8 games.
Dallas 28-10
Pittsburgh 10-6
Baltimore 28-10
Indy 10-6
If you want to pretend this Cinderella story didn't reach an early midnight in November of 2007 - go right ahead. That said, the SAME Cincy team he first lit up with 5 TD passes was there to re-deem themselves with 4 INTs in December. At some point, we're gonna have to raise our standards above the Detroit type of opponents. When we played Green Bay, DA was clearly the worst QB in uniform as his zero passer rating would reflect. That's not opinon - that's fact. I know, you already informed us you had better things to do than watch our first preseason game.
Now carry-on and get your last insults in. People that want alternatives to losing are Quinn Fags. Now there's intelligent conversation reachign the next level for ya.
- Tom F.
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Thank God, that next week will show who is going to be the starter! The wait will be over.
I seriously doubt that Mangini would split time with the starters between these 2. Whomever starts next week, will start the season.
Even sooner, whomever is practicing with the 1's this week will tell.
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Three kinds of posters on here right now:
Those who defend DA and claim to be proper (and superior) Browns fans.
Those who want to see Quinn play and claim to be proper (and superior) Browns fans.
Those who claim not to care who the QB is and just want to win...and claim to be proper (and superior) Browns fans.
I just wish everyone would just stick to their opinion and stop claiming to be a better Browns fans.
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it was against the starters rather than against the 4th string.
It also necessitated making our 4th stringers looking better than their 4th stringers right? That's how you throw mutliple TD passes in 1 game Loverboy. You do it by getting those around you to elevate their performance. Let me know HOW I can help you conceptualize this better.
You made it sound like Dumb Ass threw 5 TD passes yesterday on the team you've called Detroilet. I watched the game and saw 1 TD pass from your boyfriend. 16 consecutive regular season opponents were able to throw at least 1 TD pass on the Lions with their starters in the game. Let's not act Dumb Ass is walking on Lake Erie water just yet.
At least you've been straight up about your crush on a QB that doesn't win. He's your hometown hero so I almost understand you editing out the last 9 starts. You've never been a Browns' fan so you never had the priviledge of seeing the real thing the way Otto Graham, Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar established the winning tradition here. I can't bring myself to embrace the cheap imitation if it can't win here with any consistency. If Brian Sipe required a 28th oncore - something tells me we wouldn't have hung onto the 13th round draft pick. In OUR history, winners haven't needed 28 oncores. They just needed more than 3 starts and decent coaching. Fate, intelligence and talent took care of the rest.
- Tom F.
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Bottom line is neither QB has thrown a TD pass yet and both have thrown too many that the other team has gotten their hands on. Is either the answer?
As good as DA can look he can also break your heart, that is a fact. He's proven he isn't the long term answer. As good as he can be in a quarter like last night, he will be just as bad in some games or quarters. So, if you want to be a .500 team, DA might be your man.
IMO Quinn manages the team better, especially under pressure. DA looks great when he has no rush on him and he gets time to drop and set up. Quinn moves better in the pocket and is a leader on the field. Will Quinn break your heart? Will he implode under pressure? Can he develop into a franchise QB? I want to get those questions answered. I already know what Anderson brings to the table.
If neither is the answer, I want to know before the next draft. The only way is to name Quinn the starter and see if he can step up and be the man.
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Zombo stop wasting your time typing. The BQ bandwagoneers are pissed about last night plain and simple and were SEARCHING HARD for anything...
I like the who 2 minute drill bs... he had about 1 minute with a 20 point lead had a tip int after throwing for over 100 yards in one quarter leading to scores.....
AVERAGE that out over terrible Detroit and he would have had a MONSTER game.... BQ I think would have had a good game also probably not as many yards but the same result.
Notice those same BQ fans dont talk about the near tip linebacker int that BQ almost threw when they mention DA.... neither was a terrible read or a forced play it was just how the ball happened to fall.
Seriously I am more concerned with the odd offensive playcalling from last week for DA was handed to BQ this week. I know it is preseason and I suspect it was situational to expose the QBs for review, but still odd. ST. Clair better be running some laps for blowing up BQ's decent drive.
ON a good note START JAMES DAVIS.... he hits the holes instead of tap dancing and STILL HAS A BURST!!!!!
Zombo stop wasting your time typing. The BQ bandwagoneers are pissed about last night plain and simple and were SEARCHING HARD for anything...
I like the who 2 minute drill bs... he had about 1 minute with a 20 point lead had a tip int after throwing for over 100 yards in one quarter leading to scores.....
AVERAGE that out over terrible Detroit and he would have had a MONSTER game.... BQ I think would have had a good game also probably not as many yards but the same result.
Notice those same BQ fans dont talk about the near tip linebacker int that BQ almost threw when they mention DA.... neither was a terrible read or a forced play it was just how the ball happened to fall.
Seriously I am more concerned with the odd offensive playcalling from last week for DA was handed to BQ this week. I know it is preseason and I suspect it was situational to expose the QBs for review, but still odd. ST. Clair better be running some laps for blowing up BQ's decent drive.
ON a good note START JAMES DAVIS.... he hits the holes instead of tap dancing and STILL HAS A BURST!!!!!
The bolded part is a very bad argument. It didn't matter how much they were up or how much time was on the clock. It was about Mangini seeing what DA could do in the 2-minute drill. He even said it after the Packer game, that the next time it came to the 2-minute drill it would be DA. Frankly, DA failed to move the ball in that drill and eventually it lead to Detroit getting points.
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Zombo said:
I will toss grenades at Camp Quinn as long as you act like Quinn fans and not Browns fans.I know your feelings are hurt because I won't join your He-Man Derek Anderson Hater's Club, but I see absolutely no need to keep bashing the guy.
If you want to build Quinn up and convince me why he is going to be the next great Cleveland Browns QB, I am all ears, I would love nothing more than to see that.
Zombo
That's just it - you posted DA wasn't the answer for this franchise after Quinn's first 2 starts averaged 30 points in November. You keep diverting attention away from this truth for some reason. Can I merely ask why Zippy? And when you had admin powers during the Spring - you removed that entire thread after I archived the first time I caught you changing your tune and straddling the fence. You seem less proud of that than you were promising us Terry Kirby would rush for 1700 yards back in 1999.
In fairness to Vegasdawg - he didn't read your confident post back when Quinn showed us how easy it was to put up 30 points in back to back weeks last Fall.
Again, for those that get it - DA's last 9 starts sport a 3-6 record. Here's 4 of them in how DA took the bull by the horns:
Dallas 28 Cleveland 10
Pittsburgh 10 Cleveland 6
Baltimore 28 Cleveland 10
Indy 10 Cleveland 6
So all of a sudden you don't think Quinn can lead us to 10 points in a 60 minute game THIS year when you gave him your blessings for leading us to 30 points a start last year? Way to make sense! Maybe someday you'll be interested enough to WATCH 1 of these games you allegedly have all the answers for. What happened to you man? I know you LOVE losing more than being a Quinn fag. Got it. Thanks!
- Tom F.
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watch the video-
got a link to the video?
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@inspecta said:
I think I know what Pitt fans love coming here to debate us, because we are the best of the best, because well....frankly we have a lot of practice on each other.Look at it this way, if the team was running like the Pats, what would we have to talk about/debate???
PATSPECTA: Randy Moss' awesome!
PUMBERGH: No he isn't, he's superawesome!
PATSPECTA: Not as awesome as Tom Brady!
PUMBERGH: I agree. Let's be friends.
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Now that's just boring.
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watch the video-
got a link to the video?
got a link to the video?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4416917
Anchor says DA has emerged as Browns' starting QB
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