Miserable city?

The Gipper

@ballpeen said:
Red dots/green dots can also be perceived as places that still have manufacturing and places that don't....I think Detroit has a green dot.
You can't tell me that place is cleaned up....it just isn't polluting the way it was since everything is shut down..

Well, for this purpose, one of Forbes criteria was the presence of Superfund sites. The map notes in red the sites that are still of concern, and in green the sites they say are cleaned up.

Dots don't represent specific cities...they are physical locations of concern to the Superfund. Theoretically a single city could have 10 or 12 dots I suppose.

Pumpkin Eater

excellent analysis, Gip. Who knows what Forbes was thinking. Someone should also tell them that it was municipal stadium that was called the Mistake by the Lake, not Cleveland itself. Morons.

The Gipper

@pumpkin-eater said:
excellent analysis, Gip. Who knows what Forbes was thinking. Someone should also tell them that it was municipal stadium that was called the Mistake by the Lake, not Cleveland itself. Morons.

Precisely. I figure that some editor in some building in New York made the decision that because Cleveland was kinda cold and snowy that it should lead the list.

The only other thing the article says about Cleveland is that it is losing population. Yet, overcongestion was one of the factors they cite to make a city miserable. I would think that losing people would lead to less congestion...and thus more happiness.

And I agree. I once spent 4 hours in traffic in rush hour around Washington D.C. Give me a little lake effect snow all winter long as long as I didn't have to deal with that every day.

The Gipper

Wanted to bump this up now to again see how absurd this analysis was. And if you take one factor: team success, since I posted this Cleveland of course has had the Cavs win a championship and the Indians appear in another World Series, and What happened in San Diego? They lost another team that left town. And another thing is with global warming the winters here are slightly milder than they used to be. No they’re not as good as San Diego but again Cleveland had a better rating than San Diego in 11 out of the 12 criteria. I don’t know if there was ever a follow-up to this in the last five years but But I thought I would dig this up just again to show how idiotic it was

mjp28

Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?

Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

Plano, Texas
Irvine, California
Madison, Wisconsin
Fremont, California
Huntington Beach, California
Fargo, North Dakota
Grand Prairie, Texas
San Jose, California
Scottsdale, Arizona
San Francisco, California
Bismarck, North Dakota
Overland Park, Kansas
Santa Rosa, California
Austin, Texas
Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Pearl City, Hawaii
Glendale, California
San Diego, California
St. Paul, Minnesota
Charleston, South Carolina

20 Unhappiest Cities in America

Detroit, Michigan
Toledo, Ohio
Charleston, West Virginia
Birmingham, Alabama
Cleveland, Ohio
Gulfport, Mississippi
Little Rock, Arkansas
Huntington, West Virginia
Newark, New Jersey
Mobile, Alabama
Augusta, Georgia
St. Louis, Missouri
Fort Smith, Arkansas
Cincinnati, Ohio
Akron, Ohio
Fayetteville, North Carolina
Columbus, Georgia
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Memphis, Tennessee
Shreveport, Louisiana

DieHardBrownsFan

I wonder how they came up with 'happiest' city. What a load of crap.

The Gipper

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I wonder how they came up with 'happiest' city. What a load of crap.

You are right I am sure that this is just a complete pile of horseshit. And not likely having actually used any of the data that they had available to them.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

You are right I am sure that this is just a complete pile of horseshit. And not likely having actually used any of the data that they had available to them.

Yeah I'm sure the Dakotas are the happiest places on Earth.

TexasAg1969

@clevelandmilidh said:

Cleveland's not even in the top 40 in terms of crime rate by city

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...s_by_crime_rate

According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

I wrote:

Per the FBI's list of cities with the most violent crimes per capita, the following top the list:

1. New York

2. Los Angeles

3. Chicago

4. Houston

5. Phoenix

6. Philadelphia

7. Las Vegas

8. San Antonio

9. Dallas

10. San Diego

11. San Jose

12. Honolulu

Tell me where you think I got this data from

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

Tell me where you think I got this data from

Not yours Gip. I was using the total crime rate per 100,000 from the quote I included in my response.

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

Not yours Gip. I was using the total crime rate per 100,000 from the quote I included in my response.

Well, I used something that said "FBI list of cities with most violent crimes per capita." I don't know if I used Wikipedia, or the FBI's own website, or something else. I didn't make it up. Not sure where I got it.

(remember also...I did this research in 2010....the stats you reflect are from 2017. Don't know if things could have changed that drastically in that time.

mjp28

@texasag1969 said:

According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

One bad side of town or neighborhood or suburb can kind of ruin things for a ciy or region happens now all over the world.

Just look at South Chicago or the east side of Cleveland or South Central LA or many other cities now.

TexasAg1969

@mjp28 said:

One bad side of town or neighborhood or suburb can kind of ruin things for a ciy or region happens now all over the world.

Just look at South Chicago or the east side of Cleveland or South Central LA or many other cities now.

There are areas of Houston and Dallas I would definitely have on my concealed 9mm (I have the license to carry).

DieHardBrownsFan

Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however. I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

The Gipper

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however. I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

DieHardBrownsFan

@the-gipper said:

You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

Not likely.

The Gipper

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Not likely.

YeahYeah

mjp28

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however. I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup. Sad.

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup. Sad.

Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country.