Possible Free Agents
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Name a free agent who moved to another team and made the Pro Bowl.
Name a free agent who moved to another team and made the Pro Bowl.
Looking at last years Pro Bowl rosters, I think these guys were mostly free agents, there may be some more:
Champ Bailey and Charles Woodsen
Drew Brees
Wes Welker
Brandon Marshall
Tony Gonzalez
Justin Smith
Zombo
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If these positions of need cannot be attained in the FA market then we need to look to the draft. Here is CBS Sports list of the Top 5 prospects at these various positions of need for the Browns (the number next to each name if the prospects overall ranking among all prospects):
Cornerbacks
#4 Dee Milliner, Alabama
#19 Johnathan Banks, Miss St.
#32 Xavier Banks FSU
#40 David Amerson NC St.
#41 Jordan Pryor ORE St.
Free Safeties
#24 Eric Reid LSU
#56 TJ McDonald USC (team up TJ Ward with TJ McDonald?)
#75 Kenny Vaccaro Texas
#78 Tony Jefferson Oklahoma
#97 Baccari Rambo Georgia
Defensive Ends
#7 Bjoern Werner FSU
#8 Damonte Moore Texas A&M
#16 Sam Montgomery LSU
#23 Alex Okafor Texas
#31 Dion Jordan Oregon
OLBs
#3 Jarvis Jones
#12 Barkevious Mingo
#21 CJ Mosley Alabama
#38 Chase Thomas Stanford
#55 Khaseem Greene Rutgers
OGs
#6 Chance Warmack Alabama
#14 Jonathan Cooper UNC
#28 Barrett Jones Alabama
#61 Larry Warford
#96 Gabe Jackson Miss. St.
Again, where do we go here. Remember....no 2d round pick
Also FYI the #1 and # 2 rated players are OT Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and DT Star Lotutelei of Utah
The only first round rated QBs are Geno Smith of WVa #10 and Matt Barkley USC #18.
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Do you see a guy on the list above that is worthy of such a contract? By anybody?
I didn't say 1 guy. One guy isn't going to help that much, unless he's a coach or QB. For the Browns to get much better they will need 1 guy from each positon list you have. That will add up to big money
I didn't say 1 guy. One guy isn't going to help that much, unless he's a coach or QB. For the Browns to get much better they will need 1 guy from each positon list you have. That will add up to big money
Well with a first and third round pick coming from the above list, a couple of slots should be filled. And with a FA or two you do the rest.
I think if we can get either a killer OLB we can perhaps live with the DEs we have. Or vice versa.
And I also think that we could live with the OGs we have.
The primary slots are that CB, and FS and either a DE or OLB.
Three defenders. Need them.
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That list doesn't look good. I'd rather draft a top-tier CB, and try to draft an quality 3rd round OLB. We really need a FS, so we might be able to get one of the guys on the list (Goldson, LaRon Landry, or Jarius Byrd).
Overall, I'd like to see Welker or Amendola to come in and fill a veteran need at WR, along with Goldson, Landry, or Byrd to fill in at FS. Then, draft CB Millner and maybe trade up for a guy like Chase Thomas. Use the rest of the picks on depth on o-line, secondary, TE, and maybe another FB.
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Jammer
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Jammer sucks... he's been run out of San Diego. We don't want him and he's old.
That's what they said about Woodson before coming to the Packers.
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That's what they said about Woodson before coming to the Packers.
You can't compare woodson to jammer..
Woodson was a stud up to the final two years in oakland when he was injured.
Woodson was selected by the Oakland Raiders with the fourth pick in the first round of the 1998 NFL Draft. In his first season with Oakland, Woodson was selected as the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. He was named to the Pro Bowl and earned All-Pro recognition three consecutive times (1999–2001). In a memorable 2002 AFC playoff match against the New England Patriots, Woodson seemed to have clinched the game by laying a hit on quarterback Tom Brady and forcing a fumble, but the ruling was controversially overturned. Woodson later battled several nagging injuries in consecutive seasons in Oakland, leading to his departure and becoming a free agent after the 2005 NFL season.[3]
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That's what they said about Woodson before coming to the Packers.
You can't compare woodson to jammer..
Woodson was a stud up to the final two years in oakland when he was injured.
Woodson was selected by the Oakland Raiders with the fourth pick in the first round of the 1998 NFL Draft. In his first season with Oakland, Woodson was selected as the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. He was named to the Pro Bowl and earned All-Pro recognition three consecutive times (1999–2001). In a memorable 2002 AFC playoff match against the New England Patriots, Woodson seemed to have clinched the game by laying a hit on quarterback Tom Brady and forcing a fumble, but the ruling was controversially overturned. Woodson later battled several nagging injuries in consecutive seasons in Oakland, leading to his departure and becoming a free agent after the 2005 NFL season.[3]
You can't compare woodson to jammer..
Woodson was a stud up to the final two years in oakland when he was injured.
Woodson was selected by the Oakland Raiders with the fourth pick in the first round of the 1998 NFL Draft. In his first season with Oakland, Woodson was selected as the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. He was named to the Pro Bowl and earned All-Pro recognition three consecutive times (1999–2001). In a memorable 2002 AFC playoff match against the New England Patriots, Woodson seemed to have clinched the game by laying a hit on quarterback Tom Brady and forcing a fumble, but the ruling was controversially overturned. Woodson later battled several nagging injuries in consecutive seasons in Oakland, leading to his departure and becoming a free agent after the 2005 NFL season.[3]
Yea, but he is an Ohio guy that went to Michigan....so he sucks just for that....though maybe not for all the other things you mention.
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You can't compare woodson to jammer..
Woodson was a stud up to the final two years in oakland when he was injured.
Woodson was selected by the Oakland Raiders with the fourth pick in the first round of the 1998 NFL Draft. In his first season with Oakland, Woodson was selected as the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. He was named to the Pro Bowl and earned All-Pro recognition three consecutive times (1999–2001). In a memorable 2002 AFC playoff match against the New England Patriots, Woodson seemed to have clinched the game by laying a hit on quarterback Tom Brady and forcing a fumble, but the ruling was controversially overturned. Woodson later battled several nagging injuries in consecutive seasons in Oakland, leading to his departure and becoming a free agent after the 2005 NFL season.[3]
Yea, but he is an Ohio guy that went to Michigan....so he sucks just for that....though maybe not for all the other things you mention.
Yea, but he is an Ohio guy that went to Michigan....so he sucks just for that....though maybe not for all the other things you mention.
wait im saying Woodson was great,, and he is in a whole different league than jammer..
Plus he is much better looking
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I didn't say 1 guy. One guy isn't going to help that much, unless he's a coach or QB. For the Browns to get much better they will need 1 guy from each positon list you have. That will add up to big money
Well with a first and third round pick coming from the above list, a couple of slots should be filled. And with a FA or two you do the rest.
I think if we can get either a killer OLB we can perhaps live with the DEs we have. Or vice versa.
And I also think that we could live with the OGs we have.
The primary slots are that CB, and FS and either a DE or OLB.
Three defenders. Need them.
Well with a first and third round pick coming from the above list, a couple of slots should be filled. And with a FA or two you do the rest.
I think if we can get either a killer OLB we can perhaps live with the DEs we have. Or vice versa.
And I also think that we could live with the OGs we have.
The primary slots are that CB, and FS and either a DE or OLB.
Three defenders. Need them.
OLB Daryl Smith
Saftey Jariuos Byrd
CB Derek Cox
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How is this for a plan:
If the Browns have the #4-5 overall pick, they trade it down to say 10-12 with the Arizona Cardinals who will be desperate for a QB. Only KC is more in need of one. The Browns get back at least the Cardinals #2 and #3 round picks which should be about #42 and #75
With 10-12 they pick Barkevious Mingo or Sam Montgomery to fill their OLB/DE need.
With #42 they take either David Amerson or Jordan Pryor at CB
With their own 3rd round pick they take OG Larry Warford.
With about #75 they take either of the FS Kenny Vaccaro or Tony Jefferson
Thus they have filled all their primary needs in the first 3 rounds of the draft.
This of course is predicated on the continued policy of not obtaining top FAs, but that is a big assumption.
Or...would all y'all just prefer to say "Take either Jarvis Jones or Dee Milliner and forget the trade?
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Yea, but he is an Ohio guy that went to Michigan....so he sucks just for that....though maybe not for all the other things you mention.
wait im saying Woodson was great,, and he is in a whole different league than jammer..
Plus he is much better looking
wait im saying Woodson was great,, and he is in a whole different league than jammer..
Plus he is much better looking
Woodson is pretty much a butt ugly looking dude. But maybe a chick like you sees things from a different perspective.
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Woodson is pretty much a butt ugly looking dude. But maybe a chick like you sees things from a different perspective.
The sky is blue, water is wet, women have secrets.
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How is this for a plan:
If the Browns have the #4-5 overall pick, they trade it down to say 10-12 with the Arizona Cardinals who will be desperate for a QB. Only KC is more in need of one. The Browns get back at least the Cardinals #2 and #3 round picks which should be about #42 and #75
With 10-12 they pick Barkevious Mingo or Sam Montgomery to fill their OLB/DE need.
With #42 they take either David Amerson or Jordan Pryor at CB
With their own 3rd round pick they take OG Larry Warford.
With about #75 they take either of the FS Kenny Vaccaro or Tony Jefferson
Thus they have filled all their primary needs in the first 3 rounds of the draft.
This of course is predicated on the continued policy of not obtaining top FAs, but that is a big assumption.
Or...would all y'all just prefer to say "Take either Jarvis Jones or Dee Milliner and forget the trade?
How is this for a plan:
If the Browns have the #4-5 overall pick, they trade it down to say 10-12 with the Arizona Cardinals who will be desperate for a QB. Only KC is more in need of one. The Browns get back at least the Cardinals #2 and #3 round picks which should be about #42 and #75
With 10-12 they pick Barkevious Mingo or Sam Montgomery to fill their OLB/DE need.
With #42 they take either David Amerson or Jordan Pryor at CB
With their own 3rd round pick they take OG Larry Warford.
With about #75 they take either of the FS Kenny Vaccaro or Tony Jefferson
Thus they have filled all their primary needs in the first 3 rounds of the draft.
This of course is predicated on the continued policy of not obtaining top FAs, but that is a big assumption.
Or...would all y'all just prefer to say "Take either Jarvis Jones or Dee Milliner and forget the trade?
It all sounds good, but haven't we learned, a young, inexperienced team, like the one we have now, isn't going to win many games?
They keep saying "Build through the draft" Well when you have 27 rookies or 2nd year players, and VERY few veterans + an aweful coach = 3-13.
Let's get some veterans, a better coach and see what we can do. Rookies are fine until you have to rely on them to play a lot. Holmgren NEEDED all these young guys, to justify his 5 year plan. Now that he's leaving, lets get some experience and winners here. And the young guys can learn from them
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How is this for a plan:
If the Browns have the #4-5 overall pick, they trade it down to say 10-12 with the Arizona Cardinals who will be desperate for a QB. Only KC is more in need of one. The Browns get back at least the Cardinals #2 and #3 round picks which should be about #42 and #75
With 10-12 they pick Barkevious Mingo or Sam Montgomery to fill their OLB/DE need.
With #42 they take either David Amerson or Jordan Pryor at CB
With their own 3rd round pick they take OG Larry Warford.
With about #75 they take either of the FS Kenny Vaccaro or Tony Jefferson
Thus they have filled all their primary needs in the first 3 rounds of the draft.
This of course is predicated on the continued policy of not obtaining top FAs, but that is a big assumption.
Or...would all y'all just prefer to say "Take either Jarvis Jones or Dee Milliner and forget the trade?
It all sounds good, but haven't we learned, a young, inexperienced team, like the one we have now, isn't going to win many games?
They keep saying "Build through the draft" Well when you have 27 rookies or 2nd year players, and VERY few veterans + an aweful coach = 3-13.
Let's get some veterans, a better coach and see what we can do. Rookies are fine until you have to rely on them to play a lot. Holmgren NEEDED all these young guys, to justify his 5 year plan. Now that he's leaving, lets get some experience and winners here. And the young guys can learn from them
It all sounds good, but haven't we learned, a young, inexperienced team, like the one we have now, isn't going to win many games?
They keep saying "Build through the draft" Well when you have 27 rookies or 2nd year players, and VERY few veterans + an aweful coach = 3-13.
Let's get some veterans, a better coach and see what we can do. Rookies are fine until you have to rely on them to play a lot. Holmgren NEEDED all these young guys, to justify his 5 year plan. Now that he's leaving, lets get some experience and winners here. And the young guys can learn from them
Well here is the key.. If the new owner goes the college route like chip kelly or someone with no NFL experience my quess is we will keep the young guys and not sign any veterans.
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It all sounds good, but haven't we learned, a young, inexperienced team, like the one we have now, isn't going to win many games?
They keep saying "Build through the draft" Well when you have 27 rookies or 2nd year players, and VERY few veterans + an aweful coach = 3-13.
Let's get some veterans, a better coach and see what we can do. Rookies are fine until you have to rely on them to play a lot. Holmgren NEEDED all these young guys, to justify his 5 year plan. Now that he's leaving, lets get some experience and winners here. And the young guys can learn from them
Well here is the key.. If the new owner goes the college route like chip kelly or someone with no NFL experience my quess is we will keep the young guys and not sign any veterans.
Well here is the key.. If the new owner goes the college route like chip kelly or someone with no NFL experience my quess is we will keep the young guys and not sign any veterans.
Great. and we will go 4-12 again.
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Great. and we will go 4-12 again.
No i don't think we will. I am betting 7-9 next year but my prediction is tied to the coach they hire.
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Great. and we will go 4-12 again.
No i don't think we will. I am betting 7-9 next year but my prediction is tied to the coach they hire.
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