what is paytons legacy now?
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When you run the same 3 plays on offense and you give the best defense 2 weeks to play against those 3 plays................It's not going to work
Denver NEVER threw deep, they ran that same crossing 2 yard routes all day. It was the Seahawks DREAM.
Anyone on this forum could see this , but Manning thought he could beat them with this flawed play call
I guess we are smarter then Manning
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Denver threw shorter than any other NFL team.
Seattle knew it, prepared for it, and Denver threw right into their expectations.
Seattle, especially their coaching, is way better than Denver's.
I was hoping for a better game, but denver was entirely outmatched here.
Also, its Peyton. Not a stickler but everyone knows that.
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When you run the same 3 plays on offense and you give the best defense 2 weeks to play against those 3 plays................It's not going to work
Denver NEVER threw deep, they ran that same crossing 2 yard routes all day. It was the Seahawks DREAM.
Anyone on this forum could see this , but Manning thought he could beat them with this flawed play call
I guess we are smarter then Manning
When you run the same 3 plays on offense and you give the best defense 2 weeks to play against those 3 plays................It's not going to work
Denver NEVER threw deep, they ran that same crossing 2 yard routes all day. It was the Seahawks DREAM.
Anyone on this forum could see this , but Manning thought he could beat them with this flawed play call
I guess we are smarter then Manning
3 deep safeties doesn't exactly invite throwing deep, especially with 2 probowl safeties. The defense dictated where the ball went
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When you run the same 3 plays on offense and you give the best defense 2 weeks to play against those 3 plays................It's not going to work
Denver NEVER threw deep, they ran that same crossing 2 yard routes all day. It was the Seahawks DREAM.
Anyone on this forum could see this , but Manning thought he could beat them with this flawed play call
I guess we are smarter then Manning
3 deep safeties doesn't exactly invite throwing deep, especially with 2 probowl safeties. The defense dictated where the ball went
3 deep safeties doesn't exactly invite throwing deep, especially with 2 probowl safeties. The defense dictated where the ball went
Yea except peyton manning has thrown shorter than every other QB this entire year. Denver is #1 in YAC. It wasn't just this game with 2 pro bowl safeties.
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So you think they should've stopped doing what got them to the superbowl against a D were short passes are your best chance. Makes since
It's not like he didn't try going deep at all, they just weren't completed
Thats interesting that Manning has thrown more short passes than any other QB though...isn't that the big knock on the Carr kid?
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Peyton wasnt the cause for most of that.
He isnt on kick coverage
He cant play O Line too so he doesnt get hit while throwing
He cant snap it to himself so the center doesnt mess up
He cant make Thomas hold on to the damn ball
He was not completely on, no. But it wasnt near as much his fault as people are making it seem.
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So you think they should've stopped doing what got them to the superbowl against a D were short passes are your best chance. Makes since
It's not like he didn't try going deep at all, they just weren't completed
Thats interesting that Manning has thrown more short passes than any other QB though...isn't that the big knock on the Carr kid?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and Denver's receivers are super talented which helps on the short passes. But they kept doing the same game plan well after seattle shut it down.So you think they should've stopped doing what got them to the superbowl against a D were short passes are your best chance. Makes since
It's not like he didn't try going deep at all, they just weren't completed
Thats interesting that Manning has thrown more short passes than any other QB though...isn't that the big knock on the Carr kid?
Seattle's defense is also super talented.
Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the only way to beat peyton.
Peyton didn't play a good game though, its not his fault entirely obviously, but he didn't play good. There's no refuting he isn't great by anybody. Today he was bad.
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
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I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
We have enough picks and cap space to improve on both sides. But you're right in that the defense is closer to being a top of the league unit then the offense. I'd stick with Hoyer, pick another QB in the mid rounds (Boyd if he's truly going to fall), and play kick ass defense and see what happens.
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I don't think clowney will fall to 4. I'm also big on dennard who I don't think will fall to #26 either.like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I think the main reason more people haven't mentioned clowney is one of the 3 teams above us will take him.
But I'm not a pro scout like Mike H, so my opinion in February is irrelevant.
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This has to hurt him...bad
No it doesn't. He is the best qb of this generation. He is a 1st ballot HOF'er
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lol....at zumbo
LOL... "zumbo"... gotta remember that...
Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the o.nly way to beat peyton.
In general it's the only way to beat any top QB. It's just easier to beat Peyton with pressure because he's at that immobile, nearing-the-end-of-his-career stage.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
So your plan is to put Clowney at Safety? BRILLIANT!
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I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
I'm starting to feel this way also. We can still end up with a QB and improve our D.
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Well its easier to get a great defensive player in later rounds than a great Offensive player. IMO.I know I know everyone can point to Offensive players that are hall of famers that came in later rounds.But its easier to get a starting safety in the 3rd round than a starting QB.
If Cleveland builds defenise and pushes their record to 7-9,8-8,9-7 then its much much harder to get the QB and WR that are most likely to be great players.
If they improve D this year they will likely draft lower next year and the QB,s will be gone
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Ok so when Denver wins (weakest strength of schedule in the NFL FYI) it is Manning's glorious win. When they lose it was the team played like shit. I called it, he is NOT the same player. Where are all the sports people now, while we had to endure hours upon hours of St. Manning. Now the team played horrible agreed, but if there is one single player that deserves the blame it's him. He calls 75% of the plays for fuck sake. Congrats Seattle.
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lol....at zumbo
LOL... "zumbo"... gotta remember that...
Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the o.nly way to beat peyton.
In general it's the only way to beat any top QB. It's just easier to beat Peyton with pressure because he's at that immobile, nearing-the-end-of-his-career stage.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
So your plan is to put Clowney at Safety? BRILLIANT!
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I always get flamed for this, but Manning is the best regular season player of all time at the QB position but just mediocre in the big games. Before you all start saying 'oh I'd take for the Browns anyway' of course I would too. From a pure talent standpoint you could make a logical case he's the best QB to ever play the game. But come on, when are people going to stop making excuses for his sub-par playoff performances? There's no doubt the guy is a 1st ballot HOF player and I'm glad he has a ring, but a lot of someone's 'legacy' in the NFL is winning playoff games.
Denver ran into a buzzsaw, and yes some plays (the kickoff TD, the safety, and the fumble) weren't on him. But Manning also made terrible decisions and crapped the bed too. I was genuinely rooting for the guy because I wanted him to get a 2nd ring, but I've never seen people not just on here but everywhere make excuses for a guy more than Manning. Cris Carter said it best this morning (I'm paraphrasing here): Why does Manning get a pass for criticism? Marino didn't, Brady doesn't, other greats don't. So why should Manning get the tired excuses people make every time he goes out there and doesn't play well?
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I always get flamed for this, but Manning is the best regular season player of all time at the QB position but just mediocre in the big games. Before you all start saying 'oh I'd take for the Browns anyway' of course I would too. From a pure talent standpoint you could make a logical case he's the best QB to ever play the game. But come on, when are people going to stop making excuses for his sub-par playoff performances? There's no doubt the guy is a 1st ballot HOF player and I'm glad he has a ring, but a lot of someone's 'legacy' in the NFL is winning playoff games.
Denver ran into a buzzsaw, and yes some plays (the kickoff TD, the safety, and the fumble) weren't on him. But Manning also made terrible decisions and crapped the bed too. I was genuinely rooting for the guy because I wanted him to get a 2nd ring, but I've never seen people not just on here but everywhere make excuses for a guy more than Manning. Cris Carter said it best this morning (I'm paraphrasing here): Why does Manning get a pass for criticism? Marino didn't, Brady doesn't, other greats don't. So why should Manning get the tired excuses people make every time he goes out there and doesn't play well?
Denver ran into a buzzsaw, and yes some plays (the kickoff TD, the safety, and the fumble) weren't on him. But Manning also made terrible decisions and crapped the bed too.
Whenever Peyton had the time, he did fine. And Denver's D did not exactly stand up after the 'Hawks first three series.
Seahawks simply dictated the game by not allowing Peyton the time he needed in the first half.
As a result by halftime the game circumstances added their weight to Seattle's will and the game was essentially over.
All that said, I thought the most impressive time for Seattle came on the Offensive series following Denver's lone TD. They resisted the inclination to go conservative and run run run the clock, and instead kept the game in Wilson's hands and passed passed passed to a TD that told the Broncos to...
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