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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    The whole defensive staff has to go, at least.

    M MedinaDawg wrote on
    #8

    @bbedward said:

    The whole defensive staff has to go, at least.

    Inheriting what defensive talent?

  • bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #9

    We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.

    The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk

    MudflyM 1 Reply
  • B beare wrote on
    #10

    I cant believe anyone would want to keep any of this staff or the gm !!!

  • B beare

    I cant believe anyone would want to keep any of this staff or the gm !!!

    M MedinaDawg wrote on
    #11

    @beare said:

    I cant believe anyone would want to keep any of this staff or the gm !!!

    But you'd be hard-pressed to name a next coach, who would have to bring in his own staff.

    Look at defensive coordinator Jim O'Neal

    "Jim O’Neil was named Browns defensive coordinator on Jan. 29, 2014.

    In his first season as defensive coordinator, O’Neil’s unit made significant increases in nearly every major defensive statistic, including red zone defense (29th in 2013 to fifth in 2014), third down defense (31st to 11th), points per game (23rd to ninth) and quarterback rating (16th to first). The team led the NFL in opponent completion percentage (57.1), opponent passer rating (74.1) and passes defensed (99). The Browns finished second in the league with 21 interceptions, the team’s highest total since 2008, while also finishing tied for fourth in takeaways (29). Cleveland’s defense also finished in the top-10 in the league in pass defense (fifth with 6.44 yards per attempt) and total defense (ninth with an average of 5.24 yards per play)."

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches/jim-oneil/dc6a41dc-5088-49a1-9793-c3b5bff3c762

    What's changed with O'Neal? He did a fantastic job last year, obviously a talented guy. Now he's had a secondary with a rash of injuries, and admittedly (Donte Whitner) poor execution by players. Why get rid of this guy? Replace him with who? His job at the end of the season will be to analyze what the problems where, evaluate the players and make recommendations to the GM.

    I know I sure wouldn't want to go into the draft with an entirely new coaching staff.

  • RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on
    #12

    You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?

    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
  • RichiswhereR Richiswhere

    You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?

    B bringbackbrownie2 wrote on
    #13

    @richiswhere said:

    You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?

    There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.

  • B bringbackbrownie2

    @richiswhere said:

    You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?

    There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #14

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.

    I disagree, I say there definitely is such thing.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #15

    How could he have predicted the Manziel drama.... really? Really?

    You mean the thing that EVERYONE saw coming except for Aggie fans and Browns fans that loved the smell of Johnny's farts?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    Fuck Pettine.

    nickersN nickers wrote on
    #16

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Fuck Pettine.

    Exactly

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • bbedwardB bbedward

    We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.

    The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #17

    @bbedward said:

    We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.

    The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk

    We went from 24 to 29.....and, almost, 100% due to our pass D dropping from #1 to #24.....

    And that is because Gipson and Haden were out....

    Gonna start a D thread and spell it out....cause no one has shown me.....(even once)....where these assumed bad rotations, calls and schemes are to be found.....

    Still waiting or that.....anyone???

    jrb12711J MudflyM 2 Replies
  • W wargograw wrote on
    #18

    Hope they keep him too, but defense and running game better be alive and well next year.

  • Browns149B Browns149 wrote on
    #19

    I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"

    I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • Browns149B Browns149

    I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"

    I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys

    cvcanedyC cvcanedy wrote on
    #20

    @browns149 said:

    I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"

    I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys

    It's hard to pin this one on the ball boys, they've been playing their hearts out.

  • M MedinaDawg wrote on
    #21

    Here's how it would go....

    Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)

    MudflyM 1 Reply
  • Browns149B Browns149 wrote on
    #22

    That sounds like the last 17 years

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • Browns149B Browns149

    That sounds like the last 17 years

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #23

    @browns149 said:

    That sounds like the last 17 years

    Only if we get the next ex-Browns QB in the draft as well. 😉

  • M MedinaDawg

    Here's how it would go....

    Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #24

    @medinadawg said:

    Here's how it would go....

    Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)

    Right.....Im with you....

    Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....

    Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @medinadawg said:

    Here's how it would go....

    Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)

    Right.....Im with you....

    Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....

    Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)

    M MedinaDawg wrote on
    #25

    @mudfly said:

    Right.....Im with you....

    Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....

    Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)

    I can't believe someone actually agrees with me!!

    Analyze the season, determine what went wrong, do your best to upgrade talent, and stay the course. Blowing things up, bringing in completely new staff, and changing the entire system again, is a recipe for continued failure. There comes a time (now) when you just halve to dig in your heels and avoid knee-jerk reactions. They've never got us anywhere before and they won't if we go that route again.

  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite wrote on
    #26

    Manziel makes this team better. Pettine does not.

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on
    #27

    I like pettine

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