Name your top 5 offensive players in this division.

calfoxwc

Joe Thomas

Corey Coleman

Joel Bitonio

Gary Barnidge

Duke Johnson

None better, none more solid.

The Gipper

@gftchris said:
I'd struggle to put Barnidge as the top TE in the division ahead of Eifert.

Well, correct me if I am wrong....but Barnidge made the Pro Bowl, and Eifert didn't. Let's go on actual production...not just what we think the potential of each player is.

gftChris

@the-gipper said:
Well, correct me if I am wrong....but Barnidge made the Pro Bowl, and Eifert didn't. Let's go on actual production...not just what we think the potential of each player is.

Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

MLD Woody

@gftchris said:
Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

So he's wrong on the pro bowl attendance side and the production side.

I'd go Eifert as well

calfoxwc

@gftchris said:
Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

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Your point isn't valid, - the Bengals' offense has offensive stars. Sure, a te that plays

in a successful offense with A. G. Green, Jeremy Hill at rb... sure, the offense

can get a lot more passes to their TE.

gftChris

@calfoxwc said:

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Your point isn't valid, - the Bengals' offense has offensive stars. Sure, a te that plays

in a successful offense with A. G. Green, Jeremy Hill at rb... sure, the offense

can get a lot more passes to their TE.

There's so much wrong in this I don't know where to start.

calfoxwc

go ahead, make my hay. Comparing the @ of TD's of one TE on a

plyaoff team offense to the # of td's by a TE on a poor offensive team...

there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

MLD Woody

One plays for the Browns and is currently in our good graces. Therefore he is the best.

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

My Top Five:

Ben Rothlesberger - the Division's most dominant QB has to top my list.

Antonio Brown - as near to uncoverable as there is in the Division.

Joe Thomas - an LT that you never have to worry about? Priceless... ( Hi, Ghoolie)

Marshall Yanda - as dominant an interior OL as there is in the league.

Geno Atkins - when he's healthy, he's the most dominant interior DL in the Division.

Asked for offense....perhaps a "defense" category can also be done.

Honorable Mentions:

Steelers: Le'Veon Bell, David DeCastro, Maurkice Pouncey, Ryan Shazier

Bengals: Gio Bernard, Vonteze Burfict, Tyler Eifert, Keven Zeitler

Ravens: A.J. Green, C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell

When did AJ Green play for the Ravens?

Browns: Gary Barnidge, Joel Bitonio, Andy Lee, Mitchell Schwartz

tiamat63

Ben

Brown

JT

Green

Yanda

If Haden or Atkins were healthy I'd consider slipping either of them in over Green because they can be that good. However they aren't. Though Geno might round back into form with a full off-season to get healthy.

Effiert is an elite TE and will probably supplant Yanda on this list soon enough.

gftChris

@calfoxwc said:

go ahead, make my hay. Comparing the @ of TD's of one TE on a

plyaoff team offense to the # of td's by a TE on a poor offensive team...

there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

OK so I'll start with 'AG' Green. Moving on. On 125 targets, Barnidge had 79 receptions (63%), 9 TDs (7.2%) and 1043 yards (8.3 ypr). On 74 targets, Eifert had 52 reception (70%), 13 TDs (25%), and 615 yards (8.3 ypr). The fact that Eifert got so many TDs with such a smaller number of targets can't make him a worse player - Barnidge was one of the only offensive threats we had, and that's reflected in his number of targets. So the idea that Eifert is a lesser player because " the offense

can get a lot more passes to their TE" is kinda stupid.

I'm not here to say barnidge is a bad player, I'm glad we have him on our team, but to say he's better than Eifert is a stretch.

Tour2ma

@the-gipper said:
Asked for offense....perhaps a "defense" category can also be done.

Oops....

@gftchris said:

Ravens: A.J. Green, C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell
Move AJ over.

Also for the ravens, dumerville/suggs/flacco/smith don't get a mention?

Suggs and Dummerville are too long in the tooth for me to consider.

Flacco? No... never have "felt" him.

Considered Smith, but I thought he'd retired. If he plays, he's in...

@calfoxwc said:
there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

Yes, there is...

Barn maximized what he has for one full season.
Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.
Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Yes, there is...

Barn maximized what he has for one full season.

Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.

Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

OK, my bad. I see that Eifert did make the Pro Bowl last year as well. So, it is a close call between those two.

The Gipper

Top 5 defensive Players in the AFCN:

If you go by this, these are the Pro Bowlers from last year from the division:

Atkins DT Bengals

Carlos Dunlap DE Bengals

Adam Jones DB Bengals

Elvis Dumerville DE/LB Ravens.

And that is it. Who would be that 5th best guy....if you buy that the Pro Bowlers above make the grade in the top 5:

(if Joe Haden were up to form, I would say him...but he is not up to form)

Burfict?

Weddle?

Once upon a time you might of said Timmons of the Steelers...but now? (hell...you might have said James Harrison) How about Heyward?

Any other defensive standouts in the AFCN? (It actually seems like there is a dearth of real top notch defenders in this division now)

wargograw

@mld-woody said:

So he's wrong on the pro bowl attendance side and the production side.

I'd go Eifert as well

Eifert a much better blocker too.

calfoxwc

Yes, there is...

Barn maximized what he has for one full season.

Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.

Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

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So, Eifert stayed healthy, and that eans he's a better athlete?

really now.

Tyler Eifert injury update, recovery timetable and who steps up - Cincy ...

www.cincyjungle.com/.../tyler-eifert-injury-update-recovery-timetable-w...

May 25, 2016 - The Bengals were hit with a bombshell Tuesday when word came out that Tyler Eifert's ankle injury from the Pro Bowl would require surgery.

Tyler Eifert undergoing ankle surgery, expected to undergo 3 month ...

www.cincyjungle.com/.../tyler-eifert-undergoing-ankle-surgery-expected...

May 24, 2016 - The surgery is reportedly on the ankle that Eifert injured in the 2016 Pro Bowl, which was thought to be minor at the time, yet apparently was ...

calfoxwc

Eifert played only one game in 2014. Only 39 receptions in 2013.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8408/tyler-eifert

RECEIVING

Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM

2015 Cincinnati Bengals 13 52 615 11.8 47.3 31 13 8 0 38 0

2014 Cincinnati Bengals 1 3 37 12.3 37.0 20 0 1 0 2 0

2013 Cincinnati Bengals 15 39 445 11.4 29.7 61 2 5 2 19 0

TOTAL 29 94 1,097 11.7 37.8 61 15 14 2 59 0

Golly, looks like Eifert only maximized what he has for one full season.

that's with more talent around him.

So, the Bengals had more talent around Eifert, and they also had

HUE JACKSON as their offensive coordinator.

Oh, lookie - who is the excellent head coach of the Browns now?

It's just silly to say Eifert was the better TE because of touchdowns.

It's a team game.

calfoxwc

Eifert probably is the better athlete, I suppose.

Barnidge had more touches because he didn't have

a solid wr cast around him, and still had great numbers.

The Gipper

So? No one disputes my list of top AFCN Defensive players?

Actually....I think the AFCN is going to be a weaker division this year. Unlike some who think the AFCN could get as many as 3 teams in, I think we will just get the one.

As noted....I think there is a dearth of talent on defense. Neither Baltimore nor Pittsburgh have the kind of defenses they both had just a few years ago. Cinci's defense is the best....but I can't say that that is a great...or even really good defense. It is a B or B- defense.

The Browns, of course, (as always it seems) are in flux. Injuries to veterans and so many young unproven players.

The offenses in this division are ahead of the defenses.....but defense wins championships.....ask the Broncos.

gftChris

You would probably put CJ Mosely near the top of the list.