Who takes the fall?
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I'm not saying we axe or don't axe anyone. What's the chain of command football wise? I thought Hasslam was bowing out but it sure doesn't seem that way if he can't let the GM crew make decisions on their own. Randy was slow to act and Jimmy too fast. At least Randy didn't meddle. Jimmy wants to be like Jerry.
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says a youngin with all the time in the world hoping to see change during his lifetime in a constant suck team.
remember this when ur my age and the browns still haven't won shitthen you'll be the old blowhard, with a dope flying car.
there's the 'let's stay the course' people and then there's the 'let's make a change' people. and the people have spoken.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Conversely, you were at least alive to see years of good Browns play. I was born in 89, for the most part I've only seen sorrow.
I've seen 4 winning seasons in my entire life.
Conversely, you were at least alive to see years of good Browns play. I was born in 89, for the most part I've only seen sorrow.
I've seen 4 winning seasons in my entire life.
Bummer! I graduated high school in '85 and got to enjoy all of the 80s teams.... I thought I was a gluten for punishment, but all you know is misery.
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Conversely, you were at least alive to see years of good Browns play. I was born in 89, for the most part I've only seen sorrow.
I've seen 4 winning seasons in my entire life.
Bummer! I graduated high school in '85 and got to enjoy all of the 80s teams.... I thought I was a gluten for punishment, but all you know is misery.
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Please remember that the argument is not meant to be a coaches are only good if the y are successful in their first year and fire them otherwise but using tom landry and chuck noll as a reason not to fire Hue Jackson because they also started poorly is silly and has been mentioned about 2000 times now.
Front office could be changed instead of Hue Jax as mud pointed out aswell and would still satisfy the point of the speculation here.
- Please remember that the argument is not meant to be a coaches are only good if the y are successful in their first year and fire them otherwise but
- using tom landry and chuck noll as a reason not to fire Hue Jackson because they also started poorly is silly and has been mentioned about 2000 times now.
- Front office could be changed instead of Hue Jax as mud pointed out aswell and would still satisfy the point of the speculation here.
Part one was fully understood I assure you.
Part two is not silly...
Part three... Huh?
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Im not going to spend the time analyzing the pro and cons or record differences of front office change and how it relates to first year coaches or second year coaches aswell.
We can all admit we are a bit off the rails currently as a team whether that be an over reliance on analytics for player acquisition or over reliance on coaching in that case. Horrible luck or poor coaching or a dearth of talent. Doing this poorly I can guarantee is NOT part of the plan.
Unless we win some games soon changes are coming i don't know who but if we go 0-16 it could be anybody. I still prefer New DC and a true OC.
Tia both our points can be true
Im not going to spend the time analyzing the pro and cons or record differences of front office change and how it relates to first year coaches or second year coaches aswell.
We can all admit we are a bit off the rails currently as a team whether that be an over reliance on analytics for player acquisition or over reliance on coaching in that case. Horrible luck or poor coaching or a dearth of talent. Doing this poorly I can guarantee is NOT part of the plan.
Unless we win some games soon changes are coming i don't know who but if we go 0-16 it could be anybody. I still prefer New DC and a true OC.
Tia both our points can be true
And I am certainly not going to waste time checking the 6 or 8 HCs that you added to your original list after i began an examination of your original 14(?).
But yes, we can agree on rails and not as bad... and even on the need for an OC.
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Thanks... But remember tia was talking one year... so let's audit that list:
- Don Shula - in BLT inherited a 7-7 team from Weeb and went 8-6; in MIA took a 3-10 to 10-4... so that's +0.5
- Vince Lombardi - took a 1-10 GB to 7-5... check; took 5-9 WSH to 7-5-2... so there's your other half... +0.5
- George Halas - 10-1-2 in 1920 with the Staleys (I love that name); in 1932 took a 7-1-6 (yes, 6 ties!) Champion Bears team to 10-2-1; in 1946 took 3-7 to 8-2-1 but team was restocked with returning GIs; 1958 followed 5-7 with 8-4... Check... +1
- Joe Gibbs - took 6-10 WSH to 8-8 in 1981; returned in a 5-11 team in 1986 and went 6-10... so no... +0
- Bill B - took the 3-13 Browns to 6-10; took the 8-8 Pats to 5-11.... nope... +0
- Paul Brown - dominated a weak AAFC from the opening gun going 12-2 and built a monster by the time we enterred the NFL 4 years later... +1
- Ron Rivera, 2-14 to 6-10... meh... +0
- Mike Holmgren, GB 4-12 to 9-7; SEA 8-8 to 9-7... +0.5
- Jason Garrett, 5-3 (split w/ fired Wade Phillips) to 8-8... not feeling generous... +0
- Rex Ryan, NYJ 9-7 to 9-7; BUF 9-7 to 8-8... +0... and since it's Wreckin' Rex you're lucky I don't dock 2 points
- Gray Kubiak, HOU 2-14 to 6-10; DNV 12-4 to 12-4... HOU is tempting, but... +0
- Brian Billick, 6-10 to 8-8... NO... (see Rex Ryan) +0
- Wade Phillips, way too much work... but has failed in all three of his full time gigs... +0
- John Harbaugh, 5-11 to 11-5... easy +1
So I'll give you 4 of 14...
Rebuttle?
Thanks... But remember tia was talking one year... so let's audit that list:
- Don Shula - in BLT inherited a 7-7 team from Weeb and went 8-6; in MIA took a 3-10 to 10-4... so that's +0.5
- Vince Lombardi - took a 1-10 GB to 7-5... check; took 5-9 WSH to 7-5-2... so there's your other half... +0.5
- George Halas - 10-1-2 in 1920 with the Staleys (I love that name); in 1932 took a 7-1-6 (yes, 6 ties!) Champion Bears team to 10-2-1; in 1946 took 3-7 to 8-2-1 but team was restocked with returning GIs; 1958 followed 5-7 with 8-4... Check... +1
- Joe Gibbs - took 6-10 WSH to 8-8 in 1981; returned in a 5-11 team in 1986 and went 6-10... so no... +0
- Bill B - took the 3-13 Browns to 6-10; took the 8-8 Pats to 5-11.... nope... +0
- Paul Brown - dominated a weak AAFC from the opening gun going 12-2 and built a monster by the time we enterred the NFL 4 years later... +1
- Ron Rivera, 2-14 to 6-10... meh... +0
- Mike Holmgren, GB 4-12 to 9-7; SEA 8-8 to 9-7... +0.5
- Jason Garrett, 5-3 (split w/ fired Wade Phillips) to 8-8... not feeling generous... +0
- Rex Ryan, NYJ 9-7 to 9-7; BUF 9-7 to 8-8... +0... and since it's Wreckin' Rex you're lucky I don't dock 2 points
- Gray Kubiak, HOU 2-14 to 6-10; DNV 12-4 to 12-4... HOU is tempting, but... +0
- Brian Billick, 6-10 to 8-8... NO... (see Rex Ryan) +0
- Wade Phillips, way too much work... but has failed in all three of his full time gigs... +0
- John Harbaugh, 5-11 to 11-5... easy +1
So I'll give you 4 of 14...
Rebuttle?
What exactly is it that you are trying to evidence here?
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you seem to have this rhetoric only mentioning the successful coaches who struggled early rather than VAST majority of coaches who struggled early never to find success in their nfl coaching career. How ABOUT the successful coaches who flourished early and maintained a good record throughout their career.
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only 3 more games until we have lost every game including our friendlies....0 and 17 including those at this point...
any indictment of RG3 is an indictment of our head coach as the reports from preseason and camp season of Jackson's complete infatuation and focus on proving himself correct about rg3 and NEGLECT of the rest of our team has become painfully evident. Hopefully in his second season he becomes Humbled by this and leads a better team next year.
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Haslam is stuck between a rock and hard place. On one hand, how can you bring back the coach who presided over a complete losing season ( Including preseason). On the other, Hue gets fired and that's four coaches gassed in a five year period. Would almost be to the point where the league would have to step in.
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Why in the HELL would you fire hue jackson? Some of you act like the Browns were/are really on the verge of a super bowl. The team still needs to recover from the Farmer era. Firing Jackson just screams "more of the same please" and the factory of sadness remains open for another 2-3 seasons at least. The browns NEED continuity to turn the corner. As an outsider im always shocked by this from the Browns base. Yes the team has had bad coaches, i wouldnt label jackson as a bad coach considering the qb revolving door and the injuries.
Get a damn grip doom and gloomer coach firing bridage. Fire jackson and enjoy more mediocrity.
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Why in the HELL would you fire hue jackson? Some of you act like the Browns were/are really on the verge of a super bowl. The team still needs to recover from the Farmer era. Firing Jackson just screams "more of the same please" and the factory of sadness remains open for another 2-3 seasons at least. The browns NEED continuity to turn the corner. As an outsider im always shocked by this from the Browns base. Yes the team has had bad coaches, i wouldnt label jackson as a bad coach considering the qb revolving door and the injuries.
Get a damn grip doom and gloomer coach firing bridage. Fire jackson and enjoy more mediocrity.
Why in the HELL would you fire hue jackson? Some of you act like the Browns were/are really on the verge of a super bowl. The team still needs to recover from the Farmer era. Firing Jackson just screams "more of the same please" and the factory of sadness remains open for another 2-3 seasons at least. The browns NEED continuity to turn the corner. As an outsider im always shocked by this from the Browns base. Yes the team has had bad coaches, i wouldnt label jackson as a bad coach considering the qb revolving door and the injuries.
Get a damn grip doom and gloomer coach firing bridage. Fire jackson and enjoy more mediocrity.
i'd rather have the farmer pettine era. just my opinion. the fans did to them what they want to do to jackson now..........so now who get's to pick and choose? a fucking stooler fan? you know talent like piss knows a bucket. like the browns FO. this FO whiffed on every WR they picked. farmer whiffed on every DB. so? 6 or one one half a dozen?
GTFO.
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Why in the HELL would you fire hue jackson? Some of you act like the Browns were/are really on the verge of a super bowl. The team still needs to recover from the Farmer era. Firing Jackson just screams "more of the same please" and the factory of sadness remains open for another 2-3 seasons at least. The browns NEED continuity to turn the corner. As an outsider im always shocked by this from the Browns base. Yes the team has had bad coaches, i wouldnt label jackson as a bad coach considering the qb revolving door and the injuries.
Get a damn grip doom and gloomer coach firing bridage. Fire jackson and enjoy more mediocrity.
i'd rather have the farmer pettine era. just my opinion. the fans did to them what they want to do to jackson now..........so now who get's to pick and choose? a fucking stooler fan? you know talent like piss knows a bucket. like the browns FO. this FO whiffed on every WR they picked. farmer whiffed on every DB. so? 6 or one one half a dozen?
GTFO.
Im no front office executive but i know more than my fair share about the nfl. Fire another coach, enjoyed further suckitude. Its pretty damn simple.i'd rather have the farmer pettine era. just my opinion. the fans did to them what they want to do to jackson now..........so now who get's to pick and choose? a fucking stooler fan? you know talent like piss knows a bucket. like the browns FO. this FO whiffed on every WR they picked. farmer whiffed on every DB. so? 6 or one one half a dozen?
GTFO.
Edit: you enjoyed the farmer era? Based on what? Blown first round draft choices?
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RG3 suks. Not after one outing, after this failed attempt of Hue bringing him back. Him and Hue have to go.
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Only reason Haslam won't fire Hue is because he is black. If he were white he would be gone, guarfuckingteed.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Im no front office executive but i know more than my fair share about the nfl. Fire another coach, enjoyed further suckitude. Its pretty damn simple.i'd rather have the farmer pettine era. just my opinion. the fans did to them what they want to do to jackson now..........so now who get's to pick and choose? a fucking stooler fan? you know talent like piss knows a bucket. like the browns FO. this FO whiffed on every WR they picked. farmer whiffed on every DB. so? 6 or one one half a dozen?
GTFO.
Edit: you enjoyed the farmer era? Based on what? Blown first round draft choices?
Im no front office executive but i know more than my fair share about the nfl. Fire another coach, enjoyed further suckitude. Its pretty damn simple.
Edit: you enjoyed the farmer era? Based on what? Blown first round draft choices?
i haven't enjoyed anything cleveland browns since the 80s bro. i mean i love the team but i haven't been giddy about them since kosar was the QB. sure there have been glimpses of some great talent that could've blossomed if given the right situation but didn't because of poor management and decision making........from a multitude of regimes sence the reinstatement in '99.
you complain about 'don't fire hue' well i agree, but i'll also fall back on my BIGGEST gripe about how things go down here and my feloow fans: who says who get's the right to go forward as a regime (in a fans' mind)? sure everyone can bitch and complain given their view which is completely self centered. hated holmgren. liked mangini. hated chud. liked davis. liked pettine. that's my opinion. so why wouldn't you have given pettine or mangini or butch davis the courtesy of 3 years to turn it around considering they finally got their guys in place and blah blah blah? oh no, but let's give hue the WHOLE 5 years because why? answer that batman. just let me know what he has done? he and the FO to make me believe like 'yeah, we got the right guy!' when i believed it in so many other coaches and staffs that you and others thought sucked BUT we will never know how good or bad they could have been because they got canned because of their record.
hue jackson. 0 and 13 and given his past HC experience he's a whopping 8-13 with another 3 losses on the way. so we got a .500 coach. whoopdeefuckingdoo!! and i'm supposed to feel optimistic going forward? why? cuz there's smart people in the FO? hell there were smart people in charge of Enron.
yeah i'll give this squad a chance. my chances go out the window after next year's draft. period.
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Only reason Haslam won't fire Hue is because he is black. If he were white he would be gone, guarfuckingteed.
Only reason Haslam won't fire Hue is because he is black. If he were white he would be gone, guarfuckingteed.
Right...
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Right, 0-13 soon too be 0-16 coaches deserve another go...
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Only reason Haslam won't fire Hue is because he is black. If he were white he would be gone, guarfuckingteed.
Only reason Haslam won't fire Hue is because he is black. If he were white he would be gone, guarfuckingteed.
Yeah, that type of shit looks real good for non board members.
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