Why we need a QB in Top 5
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Using your logic Mark, did you happen to see Garrett in his bowl game?
Not very impressive if you asked me.
I saw another game where he was jogging in pursuit but heavily protected with "the guy is injured" excuses.
I haven't seen enough of him to be fair; but my first impression of him is he doesn't look willing to be relentless like Von Miller. Then I read your conclusion of him in the Bowl Game.
I think we should go after Bama's Joe-nathan Allen with our first pick for a little sic em, sock em and sack em. Then, we can find the best Safety or LB at #12.
There's some good edge rushers in this draft
I saw another game where he was jogging in pursuit but heavily protected with "the guy is injured" excuses.
I haven't seen enough of him to be fair; but my first impression of him is he doesn't look willing to be relentless like Von Miller. Then I read your conclusion of him in the Bowl Game.
I think we should go after Bama's Joe-nathan Allen with our first pick for a little sic em, sock em and sack em. Then, we can find the best Safety or LB at #12.
There's some good edge rushers in this draft
Why do I always get nervous about taking players from East Germany so high? (well....the answer is right there in my statement, isn't it)
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I am not unmindful of the fact that like 50% of high QB picks may in fact bust out. Here is a list of the biggest draft busts at QBs.
These include only QBs drafted in the first 10 picks of the draft since 1960:
More or less in order of their career production:
1. Ryan Leaf 1998 Chargers #2
2. Akili Smith 1999 Bengals #2
3. Rich Campbell 1981 Packers #6
4. Kelly Stouffer 1988 Cards #6
5. Richie Lucas 1960 Redskins #4
6. Art Schlichter 1982 Colts #4
7. George Izo 1960 Cards #2 (Barberton HS)
8. Andre Ware 1990 Lions #7
9. Terry Baker 1963 Rams #1
10. Rick Norton 1966 Dolphins #2
11. Heath Shuler 1994 Redskins #3
12. Jamarcus Russell 2007 Raiders #1
13. Greg Cook 1969 Bengals #6
14. David Klingler 1992 Bengals #6
15. Todd Blackledge 1983 Chiefs #7 (N. Canton HS)
16. Matt Leinert 2006 Cards #10
17. Blain Gabbert 2011 Jags #10
18. Jack Thompson 1979 Bengals #3
19. Jake Locker 2011 Titans #8
20. Marty Domres 1969 Chargers #9
21. Pete Beatherd 1964 Lions #5
22. Jack Concannon 1964 Pats #1
23. Steve Spurrier 1967 49ers #3
24. Joey Harrington 2002 Lions #5
25. Rick Mirer 1993 Seahawks #2
Face it, the Browns could have done worse..... the Bengals have 4 QBs drafted here in the Top 10....all busts. The Lions have 3. the Cards 3.
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Also, be reminded that for every OLB like Lawrence Taylor or Derrick Thomas that is drafted at OLB, there is a corresponding Aaron Curry, Ricky Hunly and Aundray Bruce.
And for every DE like Bruce Smith or Chris Doleman drafted, there is a Reggie Rogers or Vernon Gholston.
And for every Ronnie Lott, Deion Sanders or Rod or Charles Woodson drafted in the Top Ten, there is a Bruce Pickens, Leonard Coleman or Mossy Cade.
If the names are unfamiliar...well, its because they were defensive Top Ten pick busts.
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Let's upgrade the position that touches the ball on nearly every play... QB.
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Great plan....but only if there's a QB in the draft worth taking in the first round.
I expect that whomever we take to have his name placed one day with the people list in the OP. Its about time don't you think?
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Just a note on the original post. See the following:
Teams that had 3 QBs primarily associated with them:
49ers, Packers, Redskins, Cowboys, Eagles, Chargers, Oilers/Tits, Giants, Rams
Teams that had 2 QBs primarily associated with them:
Pats, Colts, Dolphins, Saints, Steelers, Bengals, Raiders
Teams with just one QB associated with them:
Browns, Broncos, Vikings, Chiefs, Lions, Jets, Bears, Bills, Falcons
Teams that had no QBs associated with them:
Jaguars
Seahawks....though Wilson could eventually join list
Cardinals
Texans
Bucs
Panthers...though Newton could join list
Ravens...though Flacco could join list.
Odd that between the 2 oldest NFL franchises...Bears/Cards....only one top 50 QB....Sid Luckman from the 30s/40s is associated with them.
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I expect that whomever we take to have his name placed one day with the people list in the OP. Its about time don't you think?
I'd love that....Just don't think that the QB's in this draft are in the same class as the guys on that initial list.
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Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.
Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.
The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.
In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.
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I expect that whomever we take to have his name placed one day with the people list in the OP. Its about time don't you think?
I'd love that....Just don't think that the QB's in this draft are in the same class as the guys on that initial list.
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Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.
Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.
The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.
In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.
Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.
Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.
The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.
In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.
Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
And the double wrong part is that yes, these two QBs WILL grade out to be Top Ten prospects.
What dozen miracle football players out there at other positions are going to impress the scouts SO much that they are ALL going to abandon their need for a QB to take these other guys.
That's right.....no one.
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Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.
Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.
The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.
In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.
Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
And the double wrong part is that yes, these two QBs WILL grade out to be Top Ten prospects.
What dozen miracle football players out there at other positions are going to impress the scouts SO much that they are ALL going to abandon their need for a QB to take these other guys.
That's right.....no one.
Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.
That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.
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Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.
Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.
The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.
In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.
Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
And the double wrong part is that yes, these two QBs WILL grade out to be Top Ten prospects.
What dozen miracle football players out there at other positions are going to impress the scouts SO much that they are ALL going to abandon their need for a QB to take these other guys.
That's right.....no one.
When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
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When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?
2013. Which is EXACTLY the point I'm attempting to highlight.
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When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?
2013. Which is EXACTLY the point I'm attempting to highlight.
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Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.
That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.
Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.
That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.
Right....you pick a QB because he appears to be an outstanding prospect.
I mean....do you not fucking get what I am fucking saying? I think this guy has Aaron Rodgers like talent.
I am not fucking stuttering.
Do you now understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.
There is NO fucking artificially inflating value.
If you disagree....so be it. But your opinion on this matter is not worth a cabbage fart more than anyone else's.
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Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.
Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.
Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.
That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.
Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.
That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.
And if you pass on all of the top 3 and just one of them becomes good to great and you had the #1 pick?
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Season of angst. Come on guys, chill out on the draft.
Gip picked a guy so he has to ride it into the ground. It is his thing. Facts don't matter. Trubisky said he wants to be a Brown thus Aaron Rodgers haha.
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Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.
That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.
Right....you pick a QB because he appears to be an outstanding prospect.
I mean....do you not fucking get what I am fucking saying? I think this guy has Aaron Rodgers like talent.
I am not fucking stuttering.
Do you now understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.
There is NO fucking artificially inflating value.
If you disagree....so be it. But your opinion on this matter is not worth a cabbage fart more than anyone else's.
Right....you pick a QB because he appears to be an outstanding prospect.
I mean....do you not fucking get what I am fucking saying? I think this guy has Aaron Rodgers like talent.
I am not fucking stuttering.
Do you now understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.
There is NO fucking artificially inflating value.
If you disagree....so be it. But your opinion on this matter is not worth a cabbage fart more than anyone else's.
What about Trubisky's game reminds you of Aaron Rodgers? Any particular game we should check out?
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