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Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread?

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record. Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.

    http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity

    and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet. BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson. 🙂

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/htmlview?usp=drive_web&usp=sheets_home&ths=true&sle=true#

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #49

    @hoorta said:

    Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record. Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.

    http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity

    and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet. BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson. 🙂

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/htmlview?usp=drive_web&usp=sheets_home&ths=true&sle=true#

    Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.

    Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @hoorta said:

    Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record. Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.

    http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity

    and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet. BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson. 🙂

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/htmlview?usp=drive_web&usp=sheets_home&ths=true&sle=true#

    Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.

    Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #50

    @the-gipper said:

    Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.

    Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.

    Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @the-gipper said:

    Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.

    Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.

    Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #51

    @hoorta said:

    Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.

    I see it now. Thanks

    (first note: according to that Dak Prescott failed the velocity test)

    2d note: Mike Glennon also had only a 49 mph velocity.!!!

    3rd note..Nick Foles has HUGE monster hands...almost an inch bigger than anyone else. If his member matched his hand size he could go into porn.

    Same with Ryan Mallet. We know hand size has little to do with brain size then.

    Tyrod Taylor only had a 50 mph velocity......can he be considered a successful NFL QB?

    For a short as he is, Russell Wilson had big hands...10.25

    AJ McCarron also deficient in velocity....only a 49.

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #52

    I would expect timing to be much more critical than velocity.......as long as it arrives at the right moment.....

    Good anticipation and vision probably makes up for a few mph of zip....

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #53

    Timing, anticipation and release time all can compensate for velocity... but there is a lower limit.

    And the velocity issue is a wind issue as well.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #54

    Well.... Trubell has cleared a major hurdle... Gruden likes him... and MKC is making sure we know it!

    Jon Gruden believes Mitchell Trubisky can handle Browns' hometown pressure and 'he'll be a real steal for somebody'

    By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/jon_gruden_believes_mitch_trub.html

    "Trubell"... with that as his nickname he's have a natural endorsement if he played in Texas...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • chocoC choco wrote on
    #55

    Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?

    Lmao...

  • chocoC choco

    Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?

    Lmao...

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #56

    @choco said:

    Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?

    Lmao...

    He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.

    His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @choco said:

    Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?

    Lmao...

    He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.

    His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #57

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.

    His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

    He's an entertainer and no agent sends their player to him if he is anything other than positive about everyone he has on. Now mooch tried to do that with Tribbles, but his non-verbal pauses said a lot more during the play reproduction.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #58

    There was another interview with him yesterday, reported by Tony Rizzo, which was apparently very positive. It was not the Gruden thing..but some other ESPN person.

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @choco said:

    Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?

    Lmao...

    He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.

    His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

    chocoC choco wrote on
    #59

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.

    His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

    and, that's why I made the post. Cause his opinion means nada
  • chocoC choco

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.

    His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

    and, that's why I made the post. Cause his opinion means nada
    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #60

    @choco said:

    and, that's why I made the post. Cause his opinion means nada

    No one's does....except for guys named Sashi, Hue, and Jimmy. (and maybe Andrew...and some unknown scouts)

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @choco said:

    Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?

    Lmao...

    He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.

    His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #61

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.

    Jon did come perilously close to not being able to find anything good to say about a couple prospects in the past couple years. The strain was palpable.

    Can't remember who they were tho... Mettenberger maybe? Wheezy?

    http://www.tv.com/shows/grudens-qb-camp/episodes/

    I'd forgotten he's had non-QBs come to "camp" in past years.

    Here are this year's invitees: DeShone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Nathan Peterman, Joshua Dobbs and Brad Kaaya

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #62

    I think I might have Davis Webb in that mix.

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  • stillmotionS stillmotion wrote on
    #63

    I like Kizer

  • B Bigalow80 wrote on
    #64

    Gruden qb camp would be soooo much better if he actually pointed out the flaws and ranked the qb's. he's too positive IMOP about everyone. I can't watch it because it's the same "everybody gets a trophy" approach. I wish he would just come out and say, this guy is a late round pick or this guy needs to be the first qb off the board.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #65

    Now I remember... Gruden was pretty reserved in his comments about Cardale Jones last year.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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