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Again with the ultra-macro W/L... *sighs* ... With that as a yardstick I'm not sure what your basis is for "some parts better/worse". Here's my games within the game take...
- QB is worse. WR has been worse... stay tuned. RB same. TE same-ish. OL? Better... much better.
- DL is better. LB is better. CBs are better. Safeties? Again, same-ish.
- STs? Same to a little better by virtue of kick off touchbacks.
The determining issue has been QB play.... with a non-trivial assist from the WR corps.
lol... so you've shifted from a one-year turnaround to a fan-sustaining 12-yo achievement? And it only took a couple days to come up with the latter.
I'm pretty sure the rostered players in common to the SB team and this years edition can be counted on one hand... with at least a "fill-in-the-blank" finger left over.
Nice try...
They turned it around in less than half a century. Can you say that about the browns? We're about the one fifth century point now.
They turned it around in less than half a century. Can you say that about the browns? We're about the one fifth century point now.
That 12 years and 20 years are both less than half a century?
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I really don't think this game could've come at a worse time. Our defense is beat up, struggling to force stops or turnovers, and we're giving up WAY too many points. I mean, we finally had a couple of red zone "stops" (FG's instead of TDs) or else that Bengals game would've been WAY out of hand. They didn't even punt until the second freaking half! So who do you get to play when your defense is banged up and struggling to stop anyone? Why you face the hottest team in the country at their stadium!
Making matters somehow worse, this is essentially the same team we beat last year. You can bet your bottom dollar they remember that, and there's NO way they're going to let that happen again. With the Chiefs struggling, the Chargers know they are in prime position to steal this division, and they basically get a lay-up with the abysmal Browns coming to town. Not only THAT, but the Chargers have the absolute best pass-rushing tandem in the league. Yippity-Doo. Since week 5, the Bolts have given up only 4 passing touchdowns (I think I read that correctly). Conversely, we've given up 237. (joking...sort of).
Kizer is in deep trouble, and my only hope for him is that we're able to somehow run the ball, we find a way to execute quick passes, and he continues to safely run the ball when he sees daylight. Kizer's running ability is something I was very critical of, and it makes me happy to see him progressing. Earlier in the year, I saw some running lanes that would've been 15-25 yards EASY. Obviously we want our QB throwing the rock, but when there are lanes like THAT, you'd like to see him take those yards. Something else that running QB's can do is somewhat dictate what the LB's do. If a QB gashes a team enough, the defense will have to keep a linebacker locked in on him, and that means other people might have more freedom. It's the whole "domino effect" that we've had so little success with for years. We don't have "those guys" that make defenses adjust, and we're constantly reacting to what THEY do as opposed to setting the tone WE want. Speaking of progress, I like the "touch" I've seen by Kizer on some of his recent throws. Again, this shows me he's learning.
Another example of potential domino effect is the presence of Josh Gordon. Can he demand enough respect to open up the middle for other people? Can he take a safety deep and open up the seam for Njoku? Some crossers for Corey? Fake bubble-screens or reverses? I expect VERY LITTLE from Josh in terms of catching the ball, but I do expect his presence to be felt in other ways. Don't forget, the Bolts have a couple of studs in their secondary, and it's not like we have a QB who can "throw people open" generally. I still think we'll see a couple of deep shots, but I expect them to be WAY off...per the norm.
Edit: Just heard the Chargers haven't give up 70 yards to a WR since week 5 when Odell Beckham did it. And I think they have given up just one passing TD to a WR in the past 6 games? Jesus. Hopefully we can get to the 1 yard line so Kizer can sneak it in.
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I think we will find out just how valuable Ogbah has been for this defense. When a young defense that lacks depth loses the NFLs best DE against the run it’s gonna hurt.
He's one of the nfl's best run stoppers?
1) i know this is bs without even looking it up
2) i did anyway, and pff ranks him as 70-72. Thats avg and quite frankly i was surprised he even got that
He's one of the nfl's best run stoppers?
1) i know this is bs without even looking it up
2) i did anyway, and pff ranks him as 70-72. Thats avg and quite frankly i was surprised he even got that
Hmmm, I could’ve sworn the PFF guy CBD has on every week said that he was the best DE against the run, must’ve just been for one week, but I also found this post that had him in second place between Joey Bosa and Calais Campbell in run stops weeks 2-6
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Could be the difference between Og's inside-gap performance and his edge setting, which is what Cleve has harped upon.
Could be the difference between Og's inside-gap performance and his edge setting, which is what Cleve has harped upon.
Thats gotta be it cause his edge has been horrendous. U noted it urself some weeks ago how easily he was getting seal/turn blocked. Or literally not noticing that TE lined up just to his left licking his chops at an oblivious DE who's about to get jacked into the DT to his right.
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They turned it around in less than half a century. Can you say that about the browns? We're about the one fifth century point now.
That 12 years and 20 years are both less than half a century?
That 12 years and 20 years are both less than half a century?
The browns won the title in 64..... 1964.... And that is well over half a century.
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I was a bit surprised by this. . .
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The browns won the title in 64..... 1964.... And that is well over half a century.
So long ago that the name of the Championship changed and there has now been 51 of those Super Bowls since....
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The browns won the title in 64..... 1964.... And that is well over half a century.
So long ago that the name of the Championship changed and there has now been 51 of those Super Bowls since....
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No Charger punts in the 1st half (just like last week against the Bengals). Greg Williams is a joke and this defense is putrid.
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they've held them to 9 points dude. 3 field goals. Phillip Rivers. Is ur brain ok?
Do you the Phillip Rivers that is 5-6?
Our standards for good football are quite different my friend.
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they've held them to 9 points dude. 3 field goals. Phillip Rivers. Is ur brain ok?
Do you the Phillip Rivers that is 5-6?
Our standards for good football are quite different my friend.
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That makes it official. 0 - 12
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Defense was bad today
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Defense was bad today
Defense was bad today
they held the chargers to 3 field goals in the 1st half. How were they 'bad"?
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Defense was bad today
they held the chargers to 3 field goals in the 1st half. How were they 'bad"?
How were they 'bad"?
They gave up 9 more points than the offense scored
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Defense was bad today
they held the chargers to 3 field goals in the 1st half. How were they 'bad"?
they held the chargers to 3 field goals in the 1st half. How were they 'bad"?
They allowed the Chargers 35 minutes in time of possession and didn't force a punt until the 4th quarter. While I applaud their ability to limit red zone scores LA moved the ball with great ease. I will grant you that ultimately the score is what matters but I still don't have the impression that when the win is on the line they can get the other team off the field.
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they held the chargers to 3 field goals in the 1st half. How were they 'bad"?
They allowed the Chargers 35 minutes in time of possession and didn't force a punt until the 4th quarter. While I applaud their ability to limit red zone scores LA moved the ball with great ease. I will grant you that ultimately the score is what matters but I still don't have the impression that when the win is on the line they can get the other team off the field.
They allowed the Chargers 35 minutes in time of possession and didn't force a punt until the 4th quarter. While I applaud their ability to limit red zone scores LA moved the ball with great ease. I will grant you that ultimately the score is what matters but I still don't have the impression that when the win is on the line they can get the other team off the field.
Not at all.
I have zero faith that if the Browns could somehow stumble upon a lead late in a game that the defense could or would stop the other team from marching down the field and taking back the lead.
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Was that the cleveland eagles?
Did you know that during the second world war when men and materials were in short supply, the Browns and the Eagles combined into one football team? It's true. They were called the Cleagles.
Surely, nobody will bite on this.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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