Player v. Player

Flugel

@orion said:

That's because it was Hyde that was getting all of the carries...the carries that he wanted Chubb to be getting. Duke is the change of pace, receiving RB

It's the day and age that we live in now. Everyone either has their little feelings hurt, or they're claiming that they're disrespected.

No, when Chubb got promoted - Dorsey looked at the numbers favoring Duke over Hyde; and he kept Duke as our #2 RB and traded Hyde. Hyde only contributed 3.3 ypc while Chubb gave us 5.2 ypc and Duke provided 5 ypc. Again, I see that as Dorsey showing Duke in the same season he gave him a raise/contract extension "I believe in you." The raise plus the decision to keep Duke over Hyde are 2 different examples of showing Duke he believes in him.

When the Chargers used a 1st overall pick on a QB despite already having Drew Brees - Brees didn't throw a temper tantrum demanding a trade. He showed up for camp while Philip Rivers held out for the length of training camp. Brees responded by leading his team to an AFC best 12 wins and making his 1st Pro Bowl - not bad considering SD sucked bad enough the year before to be holding the 1st overall pick. Duke has a similar situation in the sense his major competition for the #2 RB spot can't play the first 8 games. Duke can either continue complaining - or giddy-up and get after it.

Duke is the only guy on the Browns I see complaining.

Orion

@flugel said:

No, when Chubb got promoted - Dorsey looked at the numbers favoring Duke over Hyde; and he kept Duke as our #2 RB and traded Hyde.

Hyde was the feature back, power running type (an older player). Dorsey then drafted Chubb to be the new feature back. Duke's roll didn't change. Pass catching (and pass blocking) RB, who spells the feature back. - Duke gets 3rd and long draw plays which help to push up his YPC. They don't envision him as a feature back. And when/if/how, Hunt shows up, Duke's roll will diminish more.

Since Duke got paid, the position has received two major upgrades.

Flugel

@orion said:

Hyde was the feature back, power running type (an older player). Dorsey then drafted Chubb to be the new feature back. Duke's roll didn't change. Pass catching (and pass blocking) RB, who spells the feature back. - Duke gets 3rd and long draw plays which help to push up his YPC. They don't envision him as a feature back. And when/if/how, Hunt shows up, Duke's roll will diminish.

So, now that you've finally educated yourself on the difference between a feature back and a 3rd down back - you know the difference between a #1 and #2 RB on the depth chart. Better player deserves more reps. We're not changing football here.

Hunt will eventually threaten the feature back's reps since he was talented enough to be the AFC Offensive Rookie of the Year as a feature back (but missing 8 games could/should push that back to 2020). If Duke's role does diminish - then you agree with me that there is a #1, #2, and #3 RB based on who can help us most with their overall talent. The guy with the most limitations will be #3. Looking at your last comment - you and Duke agree that guy will be Duke.

Again, is Dorsey here to deliver us a sorority house catering to whose got hurt feelings or a playoff team?

Orion

@flugel said:

Again, is Dorsey here to deliver us a sorority house catering to whose got hurt feelings or a playoff team?

Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.

John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.

laiccm

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

The Gipper

@laiccm said:

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

Then why are you talking about it? Why should that prohibition be limited to just fellow players. Maybe fans should STFU about a player's money. I can almost guarantee you that a player would rather have another player talk about his money than to have a bunch of idiot fans be talking about it.

Mudfly

@laiccm said:

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

Well, no one is talking about his "money" or moves.....in fact, Duke has a HUGE contract for what he has done to this point.....8th highest RB salary in the entire league.....and even with that, he is causing waves on a team that is all positive vibes right now.

For the umth time, Baker simply said get on the train or get off. Which is perfect!!! This sitting on fence whining is for pussies.

The team leader(Baker) has every right....and responsibility....to maintain and build team chemistry. If a player is openly unhappy and wants out and is not a positive influence on his team and teammates, then the leader can(and should) speak up(if asked).

No one gives 2 craps about Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or what anyone else does or doesn't do. Each leader leads his own way and there is no one way that is best. Whatever works.

Duke has his contract. Duke has his team. Its his job(and his agents) to shut up and perform or to leave. Of course, he wont leave because the Browns have made him a richer man than he deserves to be.....

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/veteran/

Canton Mike

@mudfly said:

Well, no one is talking about his "money" or moves.....in fact, Duke has a HUGE contract for what he has done to this point.....8th highest RB salary in the entire league.....and even with that, he is causing waves on a team that is all positive vibes right now.

For the umth time, Baker simply said get on the train or get off. Which is perfect!!! This sitting on fence whining is for pussies.

The team leader(Baker) has every right....and responsibility....to maintain and build team chemistry. If a player is openly unhappy and wants out and is not a positive influence on his team and teammates, then the leader can(and should) speak up(if asked).

No one gives 2 craps about Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or what anyone else does or doesn't do. Each leader leads his own way and there is no one way that is best. Whatever works.

Duke has his contract. Duke has his team. Its his job(and his agents) to shut up and perform or to leave. Of course, he wont leave because the Browns have made him a richer man than he deserves to be.....

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/veteran/

IMHO you couldn't have said it better John. I, for one, agree with you.

Mike

Gunz41

@laiccm said:

I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.

What football were you watching in those days? I don't even care that you have your opinion on this situation btw. But those certainly aren't good examples to use for your argument about Baker.

Rodgers was the backup QB going into his 2nd year, so he certainly didn't have the clout Baker does now.

Brady was also the backup going into his second season. It wasn't until into the season he became the starter after Bledsoe got hurt.

Brees going into his 2nd season, not as a 1st round pick mind you, he was actually the starter going into that season. But he was replaced as the starter in that season by Doug Flutie. And as mentioned by someone else, the next year SD had the 1st pick and selected Eli Manning, who they then traded for Rivers.

So while you may have a point (maybe not), its certainly an opinion that you are entitled to, those are not good examples to prove a point.

Flugel

@orion said:

Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.

John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.

First, Terry Glenn was the UPI and SI Rookie of the Year in 96 so I'm sure he appreciated the kick in the pants after it was all said and done. When Parcells became the Head Coach of the Cowboys in 2003, guess who told his agent he wanted to go play there? Terry Glenn. In fact, both guys closed their careers in Dallas. Parcells was there 2003-2006 and Glenn was there 2003-2007. Does that happen without mutual respect earned?

Football is the entertainment industry as they like to say especially when they want to get paid. Duke got paid and the guy that gave him the raise said he's not trading him yet. This ant hill doesn't have to be the mountain you want it to be for some reason. Now that we have a FO guy upgrading talent all over this roster - is this really all you want to dwell on?

Orion

@flugel said:

is this really all you want to dwell on?

I stated my view. You're the one who kept commenting on it. I'm not gonna change my view....no matter how many times you reply to it.

TexasAg1969

@orion said:

I stated my view. You're the one who kept commenting on it. I'm not gonna change my view....no matter how many times you reply to it.

Obviously you would fit in quite well on the Polyboard.?

Zombo

@laiccm said:

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

We don't care what happens other places.

If you're not Brown and Orange ... you don't matter.

Zombo

Tour2ma

@laiccm said:

you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.

Why would any of them comment on Duke?

Flugel

@laiccm said:

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

Rumor has it, the husband of Duke's agent has been hitting the cyberspace message boards hard lately.

I wonder how many times Duke tapped that guy's naughty wife while blowing off the voluntary mini camps for Frisky Business...

trophyhill

I don't understand what the issue is? Baker is a star, Duke is not. Baker wants stars around him. Baker wants a Superbowl asap. Shouldn't surprise anyone he's backing Dorsey, Freddie and company.....

laiccm

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....You have to be completely ignorant of locker rooms not to have seen this coming and I bet he don't open his mouth again about it.....

Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson.

According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.

Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield.

"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."

Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season.

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@laiccm said:

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....You have to be completely ignorant of locker rooms not to have seen this coming and I bet he don't open his mouth again about it.....

Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson.

According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.

Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield.

"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."

Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season.

Blah, blah, blah.

Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.

Non-Story. We're good.

Z

laiccm

Zombo said:

Blah, blah, blah.

Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.

Non-Story. We're good.

Z

I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...

TexasAg1969

@laiccm said:

I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...

Mountain out of a molehill. Go back and see what Jarvis Landry said about that and the coaching "problem". Both non-stories the media jumps on to fill up space before preseason starts.