@orion said:

A cause and affect statement.  Just win baby!

Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes.  We run with the run.  And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass.  And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team.  (key word being 'should')  

the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass.  that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game. 

that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.

@typicalbrowns50 said:

I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde. 
 

before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN. 
 

it hasn’t happened. It is what it is. 
 

I really wish baker wouldn’t of tried to attempt that stupid tackle during the Houston game. I was there and there were so many times when I’m yelling at baker “what are you doing”. He seems to play hot and cold and I expect nothing less this Sunday Vs Pittsburgh. 
 

please protect baker this Sunday Kevin. Please. No 7 step drops please 

the browns are going to have to adjust.  their passing game is made for big plays and was last year.  Teams have adjusted having 2 deep safety's and giving up a bit in the run game.  the browns will need to adjust to get some intermediate passes because the defenses have tried to take away deep passes and short passes while giving up a little in the run game because it is making the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.

@soju said:

Just because this coach brought a level-headed, professional demeanor to the organization that coincided with a couple winning seasons you guys want to put him in the god-tier level of coaching exempt from any criticism.  He's far from it.  Look at that 3rd and 10 draw play.  Straight Retarded.  He just can't call a game.  Run, run, pass, over and over and over and over again.  Opposing teams know it too. 

Hand over the F'ing offensive reins to Alex Van Pelt and let him call games like he did last year when Stefanki was sitting home in his basement watching the Browns RUN the score up on the Steelers in the WC round in last year's playoffs.

he doesn't trust his QB.  you keep baker from losing the game.  you spread it out and let baker throw 40+ times he will turn it over 3 times. 

ward is going to get a huge contract ... i dont think it will be from the browns they drafted Newsome as his replacement.  

Also Teller is gone as well just start bracing for it mentally.  He will get a huge contract and with paying Tretter , Bitonio and Conklin already its not happening .

well its either baker play's better or we put keenum in .   This injury isnt going to get better without surgery.  

@skippinturtles said:

?Chubb and Hunt run the offense.  Package OBJ and Landry to Frisco.  They'll fit in.

any coincidence the offense started sucking when jarvis went out ? hmmmmm

@jrb12711 said:

Unless Green Bay wins a super bowl, he's 110% going SOMEWHERE else. He's literally said he's on a one year plan with Green Bay. The problem Cleveland can't help, despite likely being the best location for him football wise, is the dude wants a lifestyle change.

Green Bay and Cleveland are pretty similar towns, and if a big reason he's looking for a new spot is to get out of cold and a bigger market, Cleveland just ain't it. Miami might make for a serious contender, though.

my guess is SF they pushed for him this offseason. players love kyle and they have a good roster and a similar system.

its a lock in my eyes

the truth is the Oline hasnt played well this year especially in pass pro.   last year the browns gave up 26 sacks for the season.  This year they are on pace to give up 50+ sacks for the season.

@warriorsrpussies said:

Then don't sign him to 40 million a year. Offer him 25 mill a year for 5 years and call it a day. Between his progressive commercials etc he'll be set for life. Problem solved 

No way baker takes this deal. he will bet on himself in free agency.   On top of that are you ready for baker snarky comments about the front office in every interview if they dont give him 40 mil a year?     

sounds great for team culture 

not the best week for baker to get back on track.  the chargers have i think the best pass D in the NFL. they have faced really really good offenses DAL, KC, LAR  they only gave up 237 to Dak with 1 int,  260 to mahomes with 2 int and 196 and 1nt for Carr. 

if baker can get 150 and no INT with the browns running game maybe they can squeak out a close game with how the D has been playing.

@sdbacker80 said:

1. Possibly, I think we will get a better idea come February.

2.  I’m all for lotto ticket 6th, 7th round QB picking…I take that back not the 6th because our GM selects guys like DPJ and Felton.  I’ll gladly eat crow on thinking DPJ was a waste like I did two years ago.  So 7th round great.  Been watching some  Tanner Morgan Minnesota QB.  Like him a lot with a later pick.  These are super lotto type picks for every Tom Brady you get 150 Spergeon Wynns or for every Gardner Minschew  you get 50 Kevin Hogans.

3. Mitchell Trubisky was dumped by the Bears.  And no don’t want him in place of Baker. Not really crazy about any other Free Agent veteran. Now I’ll entertain your idea-  a trade for a QB? what do we give up? and what do we get back? 
 

So you had me kinda until the Trubisky stuff - but I still think Baker can be the guy. 

No one knows what Trubisky can be away from Nagy change of scenery like Tannehill might do him good.  I think most can look at it as no Qb has looked good with nagy and he might be the problem like Gase with Tannehill and Darnold.

The only reason i said Trubisky is he is going to be the best out of a bad crop of Free agent Qbs next year.

@tiamat63 said:

Lamar made them competitive against one of THEE worst offenses in the NFL.   It's like the Tribe - great bull-pen, but zero run support.  Almost the exact opposite of the 90's.

While you're at it, you want a "difference maker", but you're willing to take a shot at Trubisky?  That's an oxy-Retard.

edit: ALSO, how is Mitch NOT a retread?  Is this some belief he can be redeemed from his time in Chicago?  At least that would help me understand your line of thinking.

i think trubisky has a chance to be good.  He just had bad coaching in Chicago with nagy.

Zombo said:

Lol ... Baker is the man. He had a poor game! Accuracy is probably off due to left shoulder injury. But he didn't turn it over, and we won!

In fact, he has won 10 of his last 14 starts, with two close losses to the Chiefs, the game where his entire wide receiver corps was out due to covid protocols, and a loss to the Ravens in which he put up 42 on them.

We all saw what he did last year down the stretch, and how accurate he was this year before the injury.

He'll be back to his old self soon, we'll keep winning, and he'll get paid.

Z

I want the browns to win  .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up. 

it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect  to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.

@luke8878 said:

There's a reason why Baker has a QB rating of 96.9, 2171 passing yard, 11 TD's and 1 pick last year when OBJ was out. 

its a baker mayfield problem not an OBJ problem.

@sdbacker80 said:

We can run the ball

We can stop the run.

We can defend the pass

We can rush the passer

Special Teams aside from a dropped punt snap have been very good. 

We haven’t been plagued by penalties 

Passing game while working well at times is still a work in progress 

We could protect the ball better (but 0 turnovers today)

QB play needs to improve.

It is October 3 and this is a very good team 

We’ve played an elite offense, a very good offense, a great defense and we’ve played in two tough environments.

Chargers are next they will play a physical division game against the Raiders.  That series is always physical and the games are ugly…we are fortunate to catch them next week.

so what you are saying is we are good QB play away from a super bowl?    not great qb play just good.

@luke8878 said:

I just believe baker is better without OBJ is out there 

it is true it's bakers problem not OBj's.  he was open all day and baker kept missing him.

i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward,  if he was berry would have signed him already.  so what should we do?

1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.

2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?

3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky. 

that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.

@sdbacker80 said:

Not impressed by our interior Dline so far

billings has been underwhelming .  Day has been a good surprise.  

@dutch-oven said:

I agree, he's not getting a monster deal, but with the amount of young players the Browns have coming up on free agency, I wonder if the Browns feel NJoku is someone worth signing to an extension. Honestly, he's one of those players that I just don't know what to think of. 

the problem is hooper and bryant cant and dont make the contested catches that Njoku does.

@dutch-oven said:

This.

I thought early on that Njoku was that raw kid that was going to "get it" and emerge a possible top notch TE, but he never got there. He seemed destined to be one of those athletically gifted guys that never was able to cash in on his winning lottery ticket of genetics. When it seemed like he was on his way out, he emerged last year as probably the best overall TE on the team.

But I won't lie, I still don't trust him, and I shudder at the idea of giving him a big contract.

i mean he isnt going to command a huge deal with the production he has had so far... i just see him going somewhere else on a decent deal and balling out after the browns developed him.