And apropos of nothing in this thread, guess who coaches North Carolina in the Fenway Bowl in about an hour while Billy B sits in the wings before becoming HC for 2025? Yep, none other than a guy he has hired for his staff, Freddie Kitchens. Oh, the irony because he had 6 wins in his only Browns season as HC.

@dutch-oven said: Now we are looking up (or would it be down?) at them in the Race to #1 Draft Pick.  So in essence, they're on the way to beating us twice.

@nickers said: He's cooked... If he gets suspended again.. Say adios to him and his feeble career.. That is fine...I am just telling you why his performance is lacking. He keeps getting in trouble because his mind is not clear. He needs help.  I wish he would leave Cleveland, take a year off, and then come back with a clear mind & win a Super Bowl somewhere else. The Browns will never win a Super Bowl. Sorry, the Browns can't have nice things.?

@hoorta said: Agile... unless wearing pads Plays with excellent no technique Good balance so long as standing still You left the three biggest deficits unaddressed... @the-gipper said: Thought it might be the other way around:  that they could trade Haden for a pick and have to let Erving go for nothing. Probably just to disagree with me... As they say... I believe I had that one. @the-gipper said: We primarily think of QBs.  Positions like Offensive Line don't get as much notice....but I am sure it happens occasionally. Biggest OL draft bust of them all, Tony Mandarich, actually played some decent ball for Indy at the end of his career.

@topdawg31 said:Hoyer said it was his fault and the hand off was going to the fullback but Hoyer went the wrong way. Yep....Hoyer took that one on himself.....said he simply turned the wrong way. Everyone went left, except for Hoyer, so Im apt to think it was him and not the running back.....

@usfbrown said: We now only have 1 player left on our roster from the 2011 Falcons trade. In the 2011 Draft we traded away the #6 pick to the Falcons for three 2011 selections: the Falcons’ first-round pick (No. 27), the Falcons’ second-round pick (No. 59) and the Falcons’ fourth-round pick (No. 124). We also received the Falcons’ No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118). The Browns moved up to No. 21 in the 2011 draft to take Taylor. With the next pick from the Falcons (No. 59), the Browns took Little. The final Atlanta pick of 2011 (No. 124) was used on fullback Owen Marecic. Brandon Weeden was selected with the Falcon's 2012 first draft pick (No. 22). The Falcons’ fourth-rounder (No. 118) was used in conjunction to trade up to get Richardson (No. 3). Julio Jones or Taylor, Little, Marecic, Weeden, and Richardson. In retrospect, we got FLEECED!!! In the end, it's what the Browns have done best for years, draft horribly. I still believe you take the stock pile of picks especially if you're a team that needs some rebuilding. But in this case, we lost out big time. I would still take that trade in a heartbeat. You're getting a two first round picks, a second round pick and two fourth round picks. That's three (should-be) starters, and probably two depth players. Unfortunately, our scouting department was shit and our GM's were equally as bad. I know hindsight is 20/20, but we could have taken: Cobb (No. 64) instead of Little (No. 59) Julius Thomas (No. 129) instead of Marecic (No. 124) and Reilly Reiff (No. 23) instead of Weeden (No. 22) All of those players were available right around where we made our (shitty) picks. Evaluating a draft trade isn't all about evaluating the players drafted. The team had needs all across the board in 2011, not just at the WR position. Picking up an additional first round pick, second round pick and two fourth round picks could have gone a long way in building a solid roster. IUnfortunately, the people in charge were shitty drafters. (If you want to go second level, we then traded Richardson for a first round pick, which was used to trade up and grab Johnny Manziel.)

tim will never be happy until a team invites him for a visit. too bad it'll be for the janitorial position sweeping up the hollow shells of peanut carcasses or cleaning the smelly remnants of stadium food from both men and women with steaming pustules bleeding from their anuses. his boss: "please don't make eye contact with the little kids, especially you big boy. this is supposed to be a good time at the stadium. we don't want them leaving here believing in the devil with their moms holding them screaming lawsuit after seeing your sarcaphogas ass."

@calfoxwc said: Posted Yesterday, 02:27 PM calfoxwc, on 18 Mar 2014 - 1:32 PM, said:Like Canton Mike told me yesterday, Mack was a hs and college California kid. Guess he wants to go back that way. I doubt it is that he doesn't like the cold and the snow. Could be other reasons... He never struck me as that big of a pussy. But, you never know. He is from Berkely. Maybe he wants to be a hippie? Gipper ************************************************************ Eh. Not exactly what I was wondering. You see, ...well......uh.... D'Quell Jackson and Mack both strongly support a certain issue. Well, Jackson left and signed with...Indianapolis.........and Mack wants to leave... maybe to go back to... California...San Fran? They support a certain issue? What? Gay Marriage? Legalizing dope? Making Ted Cruz wear his Mr. Haney hat?

@the-gipper said:I am not a fantasy geek, but would not Weeden's 370 passing yards, and 3 TDs give you a lot of points? (or do they take away points for ints'/fumbles?) Yeah, he got me 19 points. Gordon got me 39. Every time they hooked up on a long gain my fantasy team went bananas. Weeden was a good fantasy start and an awful real life start. Zombo

We're on a bit of a roll right now on offense so I doubt we'll make a change in the next game. If we keep playing well, Pinkston keeps sitting. Next year, that's a lot of camp competition when Faulk's healthy.

What's that Norv? Its second down, gotta run. Play calling is excruciatingly predictable on offense.

Not to worry. Turner, the Browns offensive mastermind, is bound to have a few tricks up his sleeve to improve the offensive td season total to two or maybe even three after the vikes game.

Well, Brady Queen was let go by the Jets.................

I really need to put the pressure on Mrs Lister to get DirecTV back

Zombo said: What's with his name, is he some sort of A-RAB? Zombo LOL. We don't want no A-RAB's or Queers on this team.... Seriously though if he is it would have to be prior to his father who attended U. of Delaware and played football as well.

My cat puked up a Hairball the other day. I don't know if its name was John or Jim.

@jrb12711 said: Peyton Manning put it together for one season and got a super bowl ring, but his record and overall play in the playoffs has been meidocre at best. He's now 9-11 in the playoffs and consistently has made awful pressure plays to lose it for his team. If you don't believe me there's plenty of articles out there on this. ESPN, NFL network and CBS sports all ran reports on this exact same thing. It's like you "goons" aren't even reading what I'm saying. Clearly from a talent perspective he's the best QB of our generation. Disagree...I would say Tom Brady. But let's face it, whether you want to admit it or not there's a clear line of Manning not preforming in the playoffs in crunch situations. You don't get to the mount Rushmore of QB's with one ring on your hand. Hell, Trent Dilfer has a ring for crying out loud. Of course he's amazing as a football player but the guy has been ousted in the first game his team has played 8 times now. There's a point where you have to realize QB is the most important position on the field and he's costing the team in the playoffs. Or you could say that his teams are in the playoffs because of him. Manning is a great QB, no doubt. But I also acknowledge what you are saying....he doesn't always get it done. (However, many times you HAVE to blame his defense....just like I blame the Browns defense for allowing The Drive).

Haven't the raiders won three superbowls? The Cowboys have under Jerry Jones too.

Shurmur is giving Crennel a run for his money as worst coach ever.