mikeyP72 said:IF we get USC again im betting itll be a different story next time around. You mean a third time around.

For the life of me i cannot figure out why everyone wants to make Cribbs something he is not. He is a special team ace..that's it. Nothing more, nothing less, He is not a DB, he is not a safety, he is not a QB, he is not a rb, he is not a linebacker he is a a special teams player..that's it.. good grief.. just because he appears to be athletic..does not mean he can play every postion on the field. You don't see any other teams doing this crap with their athletes. You don't see Arizona making a RB out of Anquan Boldin because he is powerful running the ball as a WR... Why.. it's dumb.. and a waste of time.. Crap.. Cribbs has had FOUR STINKIN YEARS to learn the reciever spot... he still can't handle that.. Do you think the guy is methusela and will play long enough to learn all these other positions?.. give it up. Harrison is a RB, James Davis is a RB.. let them play those positions.

@vegasdogg said:When you don't have the players, you better have good coaches and good schemes. Of you have neither you have what we have - no hope. The play calls suck and the coaches don't get this team ready to play. Pretty soon that "first half" aganst the Vikes will be way way in the past. After 2 games I'm no longer a Mangini fan. He has to do something to earn my respect and so far he has dug himself a hole. Yadda, yadda, yadda. You are making conclusions before things even get started. That is your problem. Heck, even the players, for example the rightside of the OL were considered good fits in this system. Maybe, just maybe, this offense needs time to jell. Maybe the coaching is at the point the players are at. When they jell a bit more, they can up the ante a bit more with playcalling.

@danamal said:However, when an author gets as creative as Stephen King I am intrigued to read more. Pot meets kettle, Damn Flugs another great post,another ten minutes off of my life Honestly,I couldnt agree more with you,especially when you put the games in text and I counted it out and the most impressive thing DA did with that lineup was beat the ravens twice,but the losses to arizona and cinci were the end of the DA era for me. Thanks Danamal I gotta remember your advice though - break out the Cliffs Notes or people are gonna think I'm Cliff's Clavins. If I start calling the Warden "mom" - color me nervous or send me a Welcome to Pittsburgh sign for my front yard. - Tom F.

Masters said:That's true. But he might garner just a little bit more on the open market than CLE would want to pay him. Or the opportunity elsewhere could be more apealing to DA than the scenario being described here. I some how doubt that after all that has happened DA is going to want to stick around CLE for a year and being in the position of "keeping the seat warm" for another young QB. He's kind of just done that. If I was him, I'd want the change of sceen. To me...our best bet will be to trade DA during this season when another QB goes down...it'll happen and that's when we can get optimal value for him.....he won't play second fiddle here again!

@gips said:Yeah i guess your for 4 more years of this crap and You have writing and reading comprehension problems, Gips. I am for firing everybody today. I could care less if this team has continuity right now, since all that means is a continuity of suckage.

@lumbergh said:two items will lead you to enlightenment: Yards per Completion: Anderson 13.8 Quinn 10.7 % of completions over 20 yards: Anderson 33% Quinn 14% We honored your rule when you told us "we don't COUNT Detroit as real criteria." I suggest you do the same. Now, for my stupid question of the day. What do you think of Mangini - Loverboy? - Tom F.

Whaadya know "Lewis is no longer a starting-caliber NFL player." There is logic in the Media

Wouldn't be bad as a backup at very least.

@squintz said:I understand how the depth chart works but it still screams to me that we lack any substantial depth at OT. Steinback at tackle scares the hell out of me. He doesn't have a big enough butt or legs to be on the bookend. I agree..that is why I have been talking OT for a year now.....but it is what it is...Stein is the #1 back-up at LT. At least for now. Maybe in a few weeks Trautwein actually learns the plays and proves he is a worthy player.

1. The Browns looked far more disciplined and aggressive on defense....and that was WITHOUT our best player in the middle. I think a rotation of Rubin and Rogers is going to make our D a lot more formidable than the mass media could ever imagine. I am thinking top half (top 16) of the league. 2. Same goes for the PASS D. They got some pressure on the QB with various packages, including bringing the INSIDE LB's. Imagine the kind of push we could get with a fresh Rubin/Rogers middle. Also, we really didn't see the 4-6 packages much during pre-season. I think the are going to be unveiled next Sunday to a great success. 3. Quinn is the QB (unless EVERYONE has been fooled). During his 8 drives, he average over 40 yards per drive, and only had a 3 and out 1 time. This is going to chew up clock....and give the D rest (see points 1 and 2). This in turn is going to keep the games close...and the Browns in striking distance. Ball control will be the name of the game. 4. ST's continue to be a strength for the Browns. Cribbs looked amazing as usual, Lawson wasn't much worse, and the first team ST's cover units were NASTY. Combine that with point #3, and the Browns may very well be winning the field position battle most of the season. 5. The Browns receiving corp is young...but showed a lot of poise and precision during the pre-season. We have speed, hands, and some leadership. We have 2 guys that can go long (BE/MoMass) and 2 guys willing to go over the middle (Furrey/Robo)....and then the ultimate wildcard in Cribbs...who can do it all, including end arounds. This group may not be BIG NAMES, but they have it all...and BQ can utilize all aspects of this squad. Bonus. The RB's are a group that may not jump out at you, but keep in mind one is a rookie and another was hurt all pre-season. I anticipate a TON of screens...and a lot of quick hitters to the edges. We have guys with speed..and we have a very good FB for power up the middle. Again, nothing to get the opponents scared...but enough to keep them honest...with the occasional break-away ability. Considering the above, the Browns are going to be IN THE GAME every week. I really think that, depending on the intangible bounce of the ball, the Browns will go anywhere from 6-10 to 9-7...and that is without anyone surprising with a break out season. If BQ and/or a couple of defensive players break out this year....yes, even the playoffs are a legit option considering the level of the schedule competition.

@shepwrite said:Kenyan Nazi Death Panels! AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH! (Truth just doesn't have the same sizzle as crazy.) Puttin a poison dart in yo' ass just might be the ticket!

@hammertime said:He is the same agent who screwed Dennis Northcutt back in 04 by failing to turn in paperwork by a deadline. A real gem. Same guy? No kidding. Well I think I give Steptoe credit for going all out for a ball, but his agent is an ass.

@vegasdogg said:Pick'em Opponent Network Kickoff Results Sunday, September 13 vs MINNESOTA VIKINGS FOX 1:00 PM Sunday, September 20 @ Denver Broncos CBS 4:15 PM Sunday, September 27 @ Baltimore Ravens CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, October 4 vs CINCINNATI BENGALS CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, October 11 @ Buffalo Bills CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, October 18 @ Pittsburgh Steelers CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, October 25 vs GREEN BAY PACKERS FOX 1:00 PM Sunday, November 1 @ Chicago Bears CBS 1:00 PM Monday, November 16 vs BALTIMORE RAVENS ESPN 8:30 PM Sunday, November 22 @ Detroit Lions CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, November 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, December 6 vs SAN DIEGO CHARGERS CBS 4:05 PM Thursday, December 10 vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS NFLN 8:20 PM Sunday, December 20 @ Kansas City Chiefs CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, December 27 vs OAKLAND RAIDERS CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, January 3 vs JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS CBS 1:00 PM These are games the Browns should win, IMO. Green Bay & Chicago both are also not stretches. I specifically didn't touch the 4 games between Pittsburgh and Baltimore. I think Cleveland is better than the other 7 (Cincy 2x) teams I bolded. I think if you can split between the 4 games (Bal and Pitt), pick up a conference win against San Diego, and probably give back one of the games I highlighted, the Browns can be 10-6 again. It's possible depending on QB play, and if the defense plays like it can under Mangini's schemes. But, that's why they play the games.

Running Backs Quarterbacks Some offseason reading pleasure.

Our modern day sports writers have evolved into super sluths and over analyze everyone and everything... Who really gives a rats patuse if they wear boxers or briefs.... Admittedly I'm old school... I grew up listening to baseball games with my father and we were listening to Rosey Roswald broadcasting the Pittsburgh Pirate games as he got them of the wire... You could hear the clicking of the telegraph lines in the background and Rosey would make up the play by play as he read what was happening... I believe this was used for away games as he was most likely in attendance for the home games... Unfortunatly we were in an area where we couldn't get the Cleveland broadcasts, that technology didn't come till years later... Roseys sidekick at that time was Bob Prince who became the famed announcer for the modern day Pirates... It was always amusing when the gunner, Prince, did the commentary on the radio as he would fall back on old habits and really embelish what was happening... I can remember taking my transister radio to old Forbes Field to listen to Prince as I was watching the game... I often wondered if we were watching the same game as routine fly balls to Clemente in right field were broadcast as climbing the wall catches... oops!! Guess I had a senior moment there---getting back to the topic of this thread, the Cleveland media better get used to it... There's a new sheriff in town so the rules of the game have changed.... Get with the program, do a little work or cover another sport.... I agree with Shep on this one, most of the factual info I now receive I get here on the Browns Board.... peace T.Dawg

More than likely this was something Mario did everyday. He probably got in a habit of it and since he was getting off night shift probably had little or no guilt about it. Doing it as routine he could have gotten more and more risky daily about not being more cautious. Yeah, I know he was trying to get to his bus but chances are this was a daily shortcut for him. I was a road construction foreman for quite a few years and I can tell you it's easy to get too used to trusting vehicles in construction zones. We work inside traffic zones and know not to venture out of them without being extremely careful, but most of them are only coned off. Inside the zones is all ours. Even though drivers are supposed to be cognizant and careful while driving by zones it's never assumed they are, especially at night. As a matter of fact, we paved the Shoreway up in Cleveland at night and it is very similar to the highway this accident occurred. What Mario did was very negligent because he certainly wasn't being very careful about being outside the "Zone/crosswalk". If he was, he flat out wouldn't have gotten hit. You get hit when someone passes out at the wheel or something and veers off the road, that's a real negligent manslaughter event. Stallworth was guilty of being over the limit for a tragic accident that would have been avoided if the man adhered to basic pedestrian principles on a dangerous six lane highway. However, Donte put himself in the position by being irresponsible, especially with prior substance abuse issues. I think justice was served for the most part. I don't see any good that comes from crucifying Stallworth, he will bear this the rest of his life and his NFL career could conceivably be over.

I used to think if there isnt a labor agreement between the players and owners that it would mean free will spending. Dont count on it. The owners will pull back on the reigns on large contracts as a tool to force the players union to agree with their terms. Everyone on that list as of now is replaceable, let them go we can do better.

@plumcrazy73 said:Who says they will be trading for Cassel, specially with Brady's future being in question would Cassel even be available, but hey if that is what it takes to make us a winner so be it, I am not tied to one player! But I don't think they would do that with Quinn being on the roster. I don't think they would write him off so quickly. Cassel would provide instant error free ball from the QB spot. Since... He has been working with JM for the last 4 years. Matt Cassel is going to be the man where ever he goes. A properly organized team can't have high priced back ups. Cleveland needs picks to rebuild & getting 3's, 4's & 5's for some of your high priced under achivers is how you do it.

I am sure the car companies....big advertisers....have told the NFL they won't be buying as many spots. I would bet they are getting the call from many companies.