Why Won't They Use Their Talent?
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mostly agree...the FO sux. heckert is great at drafting it seems, but the FA decisions and lack thereof leave alot to be desired. the few guys they decided to bring in have all been complete misses thus far, so im not sure it wasn't a good idea to go the route of staying pat though. could have ended up just wasting more money and be hamstrung with overpaid vets that continue to make no impact.
i trust heckert, but the coaches are inept and holmgren always was a blowhard. ive always held that opinion of holmgren....simce he decided to whine and cry about the refs after losing the SB, ive never thought much of him. hated the shumur hire...still do. hated the jauron hire...thought he was coming around then his D lays down.
bottom line to me is with better coaching we could be much better, but holmgren decided to give his friends a job rather than hire quality coaches. at least he got one of the 3 right. by week 9, ill be in full on fire holmgren mode if this shit doesn't turn around.
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too early to start the gruden watch!!
looks like he may goto miami
Gruden wont come here as long as Holmgren is here. Gruden is going to want COMPLETE control, and that won't happen as long as Holmgren is here
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
The browns got schooled today by a better team at home and they looked like a college team from the coaches right down to the towel boy and everything in between...
New coaches, new systems, new players so things have to get worse before they can get better, i just really hope it doesnt get much worse than todays fiasco..
Nothing looked right today the whole game was a disaster..
I am starting to question the legitimacy of colt mccoys accuracy and arm strength, and pat shurmurs ability to draw up a gameplan and this whole regimes poor assessment of our WR talent or lack thereof rather..
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thought i heard all offseason how well your team was gonna do now that you'd be running the WCO?
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
thought i heard all offseason how well your team was gonna do now that you'd be running the WCO?
thought i heard all offseason how well your team was gonna do now that you'd be running the WCO?
Yeah and ur gay steelers looked awesome also.. I never said we would be awesome in wco..
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Gruden wont come here as long as Holmgren is here. Gruden is going to want COMPLETE control, and that won't happen as long as Holmgren is here
Its time to get rid of Holmgren.. I have no faith in the penguin!
We need to hire and offensive co ordinator.. We need to get an offensive identity.. we need to let heckert go back to isreal...
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well i think its time cleveland fans saw this front office for what it is.. a joke!
Heckert and holmgren paid big money to dueche bag gocong and evan moore. These guys are non existant.. We have every right to be mad. We have a cush schedule and look terrible. Even the games we won we didnt look good in.
osama young???WTF!!! Im so glad heckert brought him in.. I have seen blades of glass make better efforts in tackling..
so lets see, free agents brandon jackso, osama young, demtri patterson... Hmm so glad we didnt spend our money in the off season..
to all those idiots who love the front office and supported them.. Way to go!
well i think its time cleveland fans saw this front office for what it is.. a joke!
Heckert and holmgren paid big money to dueche bag gocong and evan moore. These guys are non existant.. We have every right to be mad. We have a cush schedule and look terrible. Even the games we won we didnt look good in.
osama young???WTF!!! Im so glad heckert brought him in.. I have seen blades of glass make better efforts in tackling..
so lets see, free agents brandon jackso, osama young, demtri patterson... Hmm so glad we didnt spend our money in the off season..
to all those idiots who love the front office and supported them.. Way to go!
who would you rather have up there, balls? Since maddened has undoubtably made you the expert who is your front office?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Shurmur dialed up 60+ pass plays that were 2-8 yards
Evan Moore and Peyton Hillis comments today summed it all up go listen to the locker room interviews.
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Gruden wont come here as long as Holmgren is here. Gruden is going to want COMPLETE control, and that won't happen as long as Holmgren is here
Its time to get rid of Holmgren.. I have no faith in the penguin!
We need to hire and offensive co ordinator.. We need to get an offensive identity.. we need to let heckert go back to isreal...
Its time to get rid of Holmgren.. I have no faith in the penguin!
We need to hire and offensive co ordinator.. We need to get an offensive identity.. we need to let heckert go back to isreal...
I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
well i think its time cleveland fans saw this front office for what it is.. a joke!
Heckert and holmgren paid big money to dueche bag gocong and evan moore. These guys are non existant.. We have every right to be mad. We have a cush schedule and look terrible. Even the games we won we didnt look good in.
osama young???WTF!!! Im so glad heckert brought him in.. I have seen blades of glass make better efforts in tackling..
so lets see, free agents brandon jackso, osama young, demtri patterson... Hmm so glad we didnt spend our money in the off season..
to all those idiots who love the front office and supported them.. Way to go!
who would you rather have up there, balls? Since maddened has undoubtably made you the expert who is your front office?
who would you rather have up there, balls? Since maddened has undoubtably made you the expert who is your front office?
Well fred flinstone would be an improvement over heckert. You can tell by his smug look and ego he thinks he knows it all. Holmgren terrible at evaluating talent.
My choices, bill parcels, brian cashman, ricky lake..
Not in that order..
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Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
dude if anyone should be pissed it should be you. your boy was the shit last year. what's going on this year? strep throat....yeah, ok.
i know we're all guilty of it from time to time but one fan shouldn't dump on another's right to bitch when they want too. this shit has been going on way too long. we all believe in some bs and getted revved up for the new season only to see the team look worse than it did the previous year. what do you suggest???
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Its time to get rid of Holmgren.. I have no faith in the penguin!
We need to hire and offensive co ordinator.. We need to get an offensive identity.. we need to let heckert go back to isreal...
I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
well it's WCO or nothing with holmgren, period. his idea of thinking outside the box is looking for the donut he dropped on the floor.
:lol: fat fxxk.
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I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
well it's WCO or nothing with holmgren, period. his idea of thinking outside the box is looking for the donut he dropped on the floor.
:lol: fat fxxk.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
So it's acceptable to you that they force feed an offense that we don't have the talent for?
So it's acceptable to you that they force feed an offense that we don't have the talent for?
What the xxxx do you want! To change the offense every god damn year to match the players we bring in, to only switch to the WCO when we have all the right players, or to just stick with the same shitty offense we ran the past several years THAT DOES NOT WORK! xxxxing idiots like you try to make it seem so god damn simple, well it's not. This system is actually good for our WR's, it plays to their strengths, any other offense and they would be doing even worse than they are now, regardless of our offense our o-line would still look like a pile of shit Thomas included, and McCoy regardless of the offense he is running would still be throwing to his check down guy 80% of the time. Use your xxxxing head.
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So it's acceptable to you that they force feed an offense that we don't have the talent for?
What the xxxx do you want! To change the offense every god damn year to match the players we bring in, to only switch to the WCO when we have all the right players, or to just stick with the same shitty offense we ran the past several years THAT DOES NOT WORK! xxxxing idiots like you try to make it seem so god damn simple, well it's not. This system is actually good for our WR's, it plays to their strengths, any other offense and they would be doing even worse than they are now, regardless of our offense our o-line would still look like a pile of shit Thomas included, and McCoy regardless of the offense he is running would still be throwing to his check down guy 80% of the time. Use your xxxxing head.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
What the xxxx do you want! To change the offense every god damn year to match the players we bring in, to only switch to the WCO when we have all the right players, or to just stick with the same shitty offense we ran the past several years THAT DOES NOT WORK! xxxxing idiots like you try to make it seem so god damn simple, well it's not. This system is actually good for our WR's, it plays to their strengths, any other offense and they would be doing even worse than they are now, regardless of our offense our o-line would still look like a pile of shit Thomas included, and McCoy regardless of the offense he is running would still be throwing to his check down guy 80% of the time. Use your xxxxing head.
How does this offense play to our strengths??????????????? Our only strength is power running, and that's not the westcoast way. Good for our wr's strengths??? Our wr have NO strengths. They can't get off the line, they can't go deep.
I was trying to point out that the people in charge want to run a certain style offense,but yet they didn't get those kind of players. We need good wr's that can get open and go deep.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
"at the end of the day" i know we all want the browns to win. we all blow off steam in a different way.
when it finally does happen we'll all be happy but definitely not agree whether or not it was the right way to get there.
30+ years invested in this team so far resulting in two ulcers and no hair gives people like me the right to bitch.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
dude if anyone should be pissed it should be you. your boy was the shit last year. what's going on this year? strep throat....yeah, ok.
i know we're all guilty of it from time to time but one fan shouldn't dump on another's right to bitch when they want too. this shit has been going on way too long. we all believe in some bs and getted revved up for the new season only to see the team look worse than it did the previous year. what do you suggest???
dude if anyone should be pissed it should be you. your boy was the shit last year. what's going on this year? strep throat....yeah, ok.
i know we're all guilty of it from time to time but one fan shouldn't dump on another's right to bitch when they want too. this shit has been going on way too long. we all believe in some bs and getted revved up for the new season only to see the team look worse than it did the previous year. what do you suggest???
And's it people like you that this organization is shit. 3 years and out, more like 3 games and constant jeering until fired. No one wants to come here because if they play a bad game they get booed, good coaches don't want to come here because they know they hardly have a few games before their heads get put on chopping blocks.
By the way who was available to hire as coach this year that we could have hired other than Shurmer. NO xxxxING BODY! And bitch about a guy who was too sick. Real classy, right up there with cheering when Anderson tore his knee, see my players don't want to come here comment. Over a hundred degree temp with a sickness that you would gladly use as an excuse to get out of work all week and apparently he's such a xxxxing pussy. xxxxing hypocrit.
Ya a shitty lose and I didn't see a lot of effort either, but enough of this two years and out bullshit. Stick with a FO, stick with a coach, find us an above average O-Line, and for the love of god get us a franchise QB because so far McCoy looks like a sad lost puppy who won't throw to a WR unless they are open by 10 yards.
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