Training Camp News, August 1 (It's August!)
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Trent is a top 5 HB?
Top 3 IMO. Seriously Bro, Go ahead and name me 5 other runningbacks that you would rather have as the Starting Runningback or Face of the Franchise than Trent Richardson. The dude is a stud and in the prime of his career and will most likely only get better for the next 6 or 7 years or so...
Go ahead and try and sell me 5 other guys I'd rather have... Thinking about it I can only think of 1 other runningback that I'd really even consider... That's A.D. Peterson and he's been around awhile so he just oozes purple and gold.. Top 5 back in the NFL? You bet.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Look, I like Trent. I hope he is a beast for years to come. But I'm going to take just one injury prone season and extrapolate it into "Top 5" or Top 3" back.
I'm also talking about the best right now. No bonus points for the young HBs with more time left in their careers.
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
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I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
Are you going too? We usually go up with the family every year and it's like a vacation to us. We are actually getting ready to head up there in a few hours. We're going to ride up tonight. What would be better to do with the kids, The Great Lakes Science Center or The Cleveland Zoo?.. Or is there a better option that you know of. We went to the Cleveland Aquarium last year before Family Night.
Are you going too? We usually go up with the family every year and it's like a vacation to us. We are actually getting ready to head up there in a few hours. We're going to ride up tonight. What would be better to do with the kids, The Great Lakes Science Center or The Cleveland Zoo?.. Or is there a better option that you know of. We went to the Cleveland Aquarium last year before Family Night.
aces http://cmnh.org/site/Index.aspx
kids will love the MEGLALODON
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nice recap, shep
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
You know, with many good QBs, they do not look good when they first get to the league. Peyton, Elway, Brees etc. Some look great right away, but that is an exception to the rule. For most, at some point a year, year and a half, 2 years the light bulb comes on and they really take off. I hope that is what happens with Weeden.
Of course, for some that light bulb always stays off...see Brady Quinn. And for others, the light bulb comes on, but burns out very soon. See Derek Anderson.
Let's hope it comes on for BW3 and stays on a good long while.
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89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
back in the day McD's was the gourmet blend
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
The Rams suck. Going by your logic, you shouldn't draft a left tackle in the first round because the Browns suck.
Shep, we all understand that running backs have become devalued over the past decade as passing offenses have been able to open up to new levels.
You can find gems at RB anywhere through the draft (and sometimes undrafted), that is true also.
But Trent Richardson was a can't miss talent available during a year where we had a top pick and nothing at RB.
The correct thing to do was to go all in for RG3 last year. You weren't around here then, but trust me, I wanted him badly. I was obnoxious about it. I was a "RG3 Fag" if you will ...
BUT, when THEY DIDN'T ... Trent was the pick.
I know, I know ... you'd rather have Tannehill and Martin ... but I'm not that impressed with Tannehill, we'll see.
Unless you have Brady, Manning, Rogers or Brees at quarterback (we don't) you better find a way to run at people.
Last year's best teams Balt & SF were very balanced with top notch running backs.
Yes, sometimes you can get those in the 2nd round or later .. but Trent was a No-Brainer. We tied up an offensive skill position for 5-6 years.
You seem to have a real hair up your ass about us spending a high pick for a RB. He was the sensible pick (after they screwed up the RG3 thing). Enjoy him.
Five of the eight Pro Bowl RBs last year were on good playoffs teams, two of them were in the Super Bowl.
I understand (we all do) that quarterback is by far the most important position ... but having a good RB doesn't make you bad ... it's not insignificant ... it's a good asset.
Since when can we afford to snub our noses at having a good asset?
Weeden is the key. The quarterback is the key for every team. But you need other good players all over the roster.
Somehow Norv Turner was able to utilize Emmitt Smith and LaDanian Tomlinson while still having Pro Bowl QBs ... let's hope he does the same here.
Zombo
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Trent is a top 5 HB?
Top 3 IMO. Seriously Bro, Go ahead and name me 5 other runningbacks that you would rather have as the Starting Runningback or Face of the Franchise than Trent Richardson. The dude is a stud and in the prime of his career and will most likely only get better for the next 6 or 7 years or so...
Go ahead and try and sell me 5 other guys I'd rather have... Thinking about it I can only think of 1 other runningback that I'd really even consider... That's A.D. Peterson and he's been around awhile so he just oozes purple and gold.. Top 5 back in the NFL? You bet.
Top 3 IMO. Seriously Bro, Go ahead and name me 5 other runningbacks that you would rather have as the Starting Runningback or Face of the Franchise than Trent Richardson. The dude is a stud and in the prime of his career and will most likely only get better for the next 6 or 7 years or so...
Go ahead and try and sell me 5 other guys I'd rather have... Thinking about it I can only think of 1 other runningback that I'd really even consider... That's A.D. Peterson and he's been around awhile so he just oozes purple and gold.. Top 5 back in the NFL? You bet.
Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice, Doug Martin, Frank Gore
At this point and time, all five of those are better than T.Rich.
That said, I wouldn't want any other RB beside T.Rich (or AP or Gore).
But as it stands at this point and time, all are better backs than T.Rich.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Sometimes running backs benefit from the system they're in, hoping Richardson benefits from Turners offense.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
But how many 6 ft plus receivers played in the 80s??
Tons!
Among the NFL's top 40 recievers, these ones played in the 80's:
Chris Carter 6'3
Tim Brown 6'0
Andre Reed 6'2
Art Monk 6'3
Irving Fryar 6'0
Steve Largent 5'11
Henry Ellard 5'11
James Loften 6'3
Charlie joiner 5'11
Michael irvin 6'2
Andre Rison 6'1
In our division: Stallworth 6'2, Collinsworth 6'5, Tim Smith (Oilers) 6'2
Other than the Smurfs (Washington), the Marx Brothers (Miami) and those little run-n-shoot guys on the Oilers, I think receivers were just as big, or bigger in the 80's.
Z
Zombo said:
Tons!
Among the NFL's top 40 recievers, these ones played in the 80's:
Chris Carter 6'3
Tim Brown 6'0
Andre Reed 6'2
Art Monk 6'3
Irving Fryar 6'0
Steve Largent 5'11
Henry Ellard 5'11
James Loften 6'3
Charlie joiner 5'11
Michael irvin 6'2
Andre Rison 6'1
In our division: Stallworth 6'2, Collinsworth 6'5, Tim Smith (Oilers) 6'2
Other than the Smurfs (Washington), the Marx Brothers (Miami) and those little run-n-shoot guys on the Oilers, I think receivers were just as big, or bigger in the 80's.
Z
You left out possibly the best WR of all time . . . Jerry Rice 6'2" 200Lbs.
Man, I remember he ate our DB's alive that one game . . . and our CB's were Minnifield & Dixon.
I'm hoping our next CB is over 6', fast, and strong as hell.
Time will tell.
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I was asking "The Experts" about Weeden and they said he has been wildly inconsistent, great one play and horrible the next. If it continues for another 7-10 days, concern will set in and it might well become a competition. Which means Bridgewater, Mallett, or Boyd next year... or Lombardi earns the genius hat for saying Brian Hoyer will be a quality NFL starter.
I was asking "The Experts" about Weeden and they said he has been wildly inconsistent, great one play and horrible the next. If it continues for another 7-10 days, concern will set in and it might well become a competition. Which means Bridgewater, Mallett, or Boyd next year... or Lombardi earns the genius hat for saying Brian Hoyer will be a quality NFL starter.
Reports I've been seeing have said he's been much quicker on release in Camp so far.
Skill wise, it's been up and down over the few days of Camp we've had so far, but I confess I'm starting to get a little concerned.
My biggest issue has been his reads and field vision, though some of that could be a result of the Shurmur debacle - sure hope so.
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
You know, with many good QBs, they do not look good when they first get to the league. Peyton, Elway, Brees etc. Some look great right away, but that is an exception to the rule. For most, at some point a year, year and a half, 2 years the light bulb comes on and they really take off. I hope that is what happens with Weeden.
Of course, for some that light bulb always stays off...see Brady Quinn. And for others, the light bulb comes on, but burns out very soon. See Derek Anderson.
Let's hope it comes on for BW3 and stays on a good long while.
By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
You know, with many good QBs, they do not look good when they first get to the league. Peyton, Elway, Brees etc. Some look great right away, but that is an exception to the rule. For most, at some point a year, year and a half, 2 years the light bulb comes on and they really take off. I hope that is what happens with Weeden.
Of course, for some that light bulb always stays off...see Brady Quinn. And for others, the light bulb comes on, but burns out very soon. See Derek Anderson.
Let's hope it comes on for BW3 and stays on a good long while.
LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
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Sometimes running backs benefit from the system they're in, hoping Richardson benefits from Turners offense.
Sometimes running backs benefit from the system they're in, hoping Richardson benefits from Turners offense.
I'm also hoping he explodes this year.
Wasn't overly crazy about the pick when it happened, but he's got potential.
Between the Surgeries, Injuries, and Eight Man Fronts he faced last year, I think he did a pretty darn good job.
If we can keep him healthy (which looks to be Chud's intentions) and can break up those Eight Man Fronts (Norv/Chud Offense), I think we'll see good things out of him this year.
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I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
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Funny item of the day (other than Holmgren being at TC today):
Some (unknown/unconfessed) Browns beat reporter today said that we should cut Phil Taylor because he's not very good . . .
Enjoy your Weekend all, maybe we'll get some more good bits from TC this Weekend.
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
You know, with many good QBs, they do not look good when they first get to the league. Peyton, Elway, Brees etc. Some look great right away, but that is an exception to the rule. For most, at some point a year, year and a half, 2 years the light bulb comes on and they really take off. I hope that is what happens with Weeden.
Of course, for some that light bulb always stays off...see Brady Quinn. And for others, the light bulb comes on, but burns out very soon. See Derek Anderson.
Let's hope it comes on for BW3 and stays on a good long while.
LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
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I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
I think 7-9, 8-8 are the lowest he can go this year. 6-10 or lower and hes bye bye.
Who knows, Weeden could end up blazing and the D could end up sucking and give games away(doubtful, just saying anything can happen)
Its the Browns, 2008 was a year of absurd hope. 2011 also was a year of absurd hope with Hillis and McCoy. I can also say I've definetly gotten the vibe this is an absurdly hopeful year as well.
BUT the team's depth is insanely promising, better than any year since the franchise has returned. Weeden has the tools, what he doesn't have this year is excuses. He needs to show he can win consistently, especially in the division, or hes gone.
this team is absolutely capable of pulling of a 7-9,8-8 year.
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Not to mention, Weeden has an exceptional defensive unit to back him up when he throws picks....god forbid but that still will happen. Especially throwing the ball downfield as often as we will
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LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
Zombo said:
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
I've heard Mickey D's have stepped up their Coffee game a few years back, just haven't tried it for probably close to ten years myself (early early home brew).
Closing in on the Senior D myself quicker than I like, but not quite there yet myself
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