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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Wow... this has to be the most bipolar forum on the net...

    I can still remember the accolades Bess drew when we signed him...

    He was our FA steal...

    His pass reception rate was the highest in the league...

    And on...

    And on...

    He muffed a friggin' punt... it happens.

    The punt was short... he sprinted to get to it and got to it.

    And rather than go down after fielding it he looked up to continue the run back...

    He tried to make a good play a better play...

    And it went wrong...

    He is our sure handed return man.

    Put in to field all critical punts...

    Why?

    Because three games ago (IIRC) Benji muffed one deep in our end of the field...

    As for his "dropped passes"...

    Y'all need to go to the tape...

    Cause the three that immediately spring to mind, including the game ending one, were all terrible throws.

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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    Wow... this has to be the most bipolar forum on the net...

    I can still remember the accolades Bess drew when we signed him...

    He was our FA steal...

    His pass reception rate was the highest in the league...

    And on...

    And on...

    He muffed a friggin' punt... it happens.

    The punt was short... he sprinted to get to it and got to it.

    And rather than go down after fielding it he looked up to continue the run back...

    He tried to make a good play a better play...

    And it went wrong...

    He is our sure handed return man.

    Put in to field all critical punts...

    Why?

    Because three games ago (IIRC) Benji muffed one deep in our end of the field...

    As for his "dropped passes"...

    Y'all need to go to the tape...

    Cause the three that immediately spring to mind, including the game ending one, were all terrible throws.

    uh when they replayed his drops for the day only ONE was thrown behind him and he would have made catch of the year to bring that one in. Otherwise all those passes were balls HS receivers routinely net. And the last one? are you seriously suggesting that last throw wasn't right in his fucking lap?

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      @clevfan4life said:

      i'm at the point of cutting him first thing tommorrow morning.

      why wait till tomorrow?
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      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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      @7moses7 said:

      why wait till tomorrow?

      ur right, paperwork should be filed tonight...still has to wait to go in till tommorrow.

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        @tour2ma said:

        Wow... this has to be the most bipolar forum on the net...

        I can still remember the accolades Bess drew when we signed him...

        He was our FA steal...

        His pass reception rate was the highest in the league...

        And on...

        And on...

        He muffed a friggin' punt... it happens.

        The punt was short... he sprinted to get to it and got to it.

        And rather than go down after fielding it he looked up to continue the run back...

        He tried to make a good play a better play...

        And it went wrong...

        He is our sure handed return man.

        Put in to field all critical punts...

        Why?

        Because three games ago (IIRC) Benji muffed one deep in our end of the field...

        As for his "dropped passes"...

        Y'all need to go to the tape...

        Cause the three that immediately spring to mind, including the game ending one, were all terrible throws.

        Dropped passes are only registered if they hit the receivers hands, which they did.

        If you're an NFL receiver and you're not 6'5 with 4.4 speed, you better catch everything thrown to you.

        Inexcusable performance and inexcusable coaching for keeping him on the field after his second dropped pass and muffed punt.

        Some days you just don't have it, and coaches have to recognize that. Today Bess didn't have it. I hope he feels like garbage all week.

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        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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        @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

        Some days you just don't have it, and coaches have to recognize that. Today Bess didn't have it.

        Agree... but at the rate clowns around here fire players for having a bad game we could not field an 11 on 11 practice...

        And we are only halfway through the season.

        Zombo said:

        He fumbled. Not a muff. No one touched him. He fucked up badly. Is what it is.

        Just because he fumbled it did not mean you had to recover it... and for KC no less.

        What were you thinking?

        http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000270255/Chiefs-recover-muffed-punt

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          C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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          no he's right, a muffed punt is one that comes off the hands immediately. Bess caught the ball then....I dunno, it just fell out of his hands fuck whatever.

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            @tour2ma said:

            Wow... this has to be the most bipolar forum on the net...

            I can still remember the accolades Bess drew when we signed him...

            He was our FA steal...

            His pass reception rate was the highest in the league...

            And on...

            And on...

            He muffed a friggin' punt... it happens.

            The punt was short... he sprinted to get to it and got to it.

            And rather than go down after fielding it he looked up to continue the run back...

            He tried to make a good play a better play...

            And it went wrong...

            He is our sure handed return man.

            Put in to field all critical punts...

            Why?

            Because three games ago (IIRC) Benji muffed one deep in our end of the field...

            As for his "dropped passes"...

            Y'all need to go to the tape...

            Cause the three that immediately spring to mind, including the game ending one, were all terrible throws.

            Yes we were happy when we signed him .... But why is it not OK to say he absolutely sucked today?

            He did.

            He knows it.

            Everybody knows it.

            But you.

            Making excuses for a fumbled punt because he was trying to "make a good play a better play"?

            He fumbled. Not a muff. No one touched him. He fucked up badly. Is what it is.

            You can't just give the ball away so easily.

            Z

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            ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on last edited by
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            Zombo said:

            Yes we were happy when we signed him .... But why is it not OK to say he absolutely sucked today?

            He did.

            He knows it.

            Everybody knows it.

            But you.

            Making excuses for a fumbled punt because he was trying to "make a good play a better play"?

            He fumbled. Not a muff. No one touched him. He fucked up badly. Is what it is.

            You can't just give the ball away so easily.

            Z

            Z.... I think he was only saying calm the fuck down. He had a bad game, it happens. He is not a piece of shit, he does not need to be cut or even benched
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              Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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              Zombo is a traitor.

              I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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                Zombo said:

                Yes we were happy when we signed him .... But why is it not OK to say he absolutely sucked today?

                He did.

                He knows it.

                Everybody knows it.

                But you.

                Making excuses for a fumbled punt because he was trying to "make a good play a better play"?

                He fumbled. Not a muff. No one touched him. He fucked up badly. Is what it is.

                You can't just give the ball away so easily.

                Z

                Z.... I think he was only saying calm the fuck down. He had a bad game, it happens. He is not a piece of shit, he does not need to be cut or even benched
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                Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                @comeonman said:

                Z.... I think he was only saying calm the fuck down. He had a bad game, it happens. He is not a piece of shit, he does not need to be cut or even benched

                Actually, I'm the one that said he had a bad game.

                Tour won't admit it.

                I am not one of the cut or bench guys.

                Just calling out a critically bad performance he had today.

                Zombo

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                  @comeonman said:

                  Z.... I think he was only saying calm the fuck down. He had a bad game, it happens. He is not a piece of shit, he does not need to be cut or even benched

                  Actually, I'm the one that said he had a bad game.

                  Tour won't admit it.

                  I am not one of the cut or bench guys.

                  Just calling out a critically bad performance he had today.

                  Zombo

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                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                  Zombo said:

                  Tour won't admit it.

                  Bess had a bad game...

                  Better now?

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                  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

                    Zombo said:

                    Tour won't admit it.

                    Bess had a bad game...

                    Better now?

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                    Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                    @tour2ma said:

                    Bess had a bad game...

                    Better now?

                    Fumbled punt was a bad, bad, bad, bad play on his part.

                    The drops really hurt us too.

                    Deep down, I know you agree ... and NOW I feel better.

                    Zombo

                    --He's a standup guy, he'll have a good game next week ... but he's gotta be leading the league in drop percentage ... massive disappointment from what we were expecting from him.

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      Odd thing is if you google "Bess punt muff" one vs. the Bengals in 2010 pops up... back then Bess had long hair.

                      Google "Bess muffed punt" and today's shows up...

                      If he only muffs one every three years, I can live with that.

                      And being that Bess is our "precision route/ hands guy", it's just possible that if he has more than two games in a row with the same QB, then his production will improve.

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                        Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                        I agree ... I am hoping the worst is out of the way and now he has a great 2nd half of season with Camps.

                        But that was no muff.

                        Zombo

                        --The great Keith Jackson would have called it what it was .... Fum-Ble! Who Nellie! Bar the door, Katey!

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                          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                          I'm only calling it what they are calling it on NFL.com...

                          Moo-fa-ly-ya...

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                            I'm only calling it what they are calling it on NFL.com...

                            Moo-fa-ly-ya...

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                            Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                            @tour2ma said:

                            I'm only calling it what they are calling it on NFL.com...

                            Moo-fa-ly-ya...

                            Well, then I am disappointed with NFL.com. He caught it and started to run with it.

                            Muffed punt
                            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                            In American football, a muffed punt is defined as "touching of the ball prior to possessing the ball."

                            A muffed punt occurs when there is an "uncontrolled touch" of the football by a player on the returning team after it is punted. This can occur when:

                            • The kicking team interferes with the other team's right to catch the punt
                            • A player on the kicking team is struck unaware by the football running down-field to cover the punt.
                            • A player attempts to
                              return
                              the ball, makes contact with it but cannot retain the ball in his hands and it comes loose.
                              [1]

                            A muffed punt is not a fumble. To be a fumble, the receiving team must possess the football, then lose control. In the case of a fumble, the ball is live and can be returned by the team that recovers the ball. In the case of a muffed punt, it is possible for the punting team to recover the ball and continue the drive, but at least in NCAA and NFL rules, they cannot advance the ball on that same play. Rules vary by league about how to handle a muffed punt.

                            In the NFL, a muffed punt cannot be challenged by a coach for review.

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                              Wow... this has to be the most bipolar forum on the net...

                              I can still remember the accolades Bess drew when we signed him...

                              He was our FA steal...

                              His pass reception rate was the highest in the league...

                              And on...

                              And on...

                              He muffed a friggin' punt... it happens.

                              The punt was short... he sprinted to get to it and got to it.

                              And rather than go down after fielding it he looked up to continue the run back...

                              He tried to make a good play a better play...

                              And it went wrong...

                              He is our sure handed return man.

                              Put in to field all critical punts...

                              Why?

                              Because three games ago (IIRC) Benji muffed one deep in our end of the field...

                              As for his "dropped passes"...

                              Y'all need to go to the tape...

                              Cause the three that immediately spring to mind, including the game ending one, were all terrible throws.

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                              Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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                              @tour2ma said:

                              Wow... this has to be the most bipolar forum on the net...

                              I can still remember the accolades Bess drew when we signed him...

                              He was our FA steal...

                              His pass reception rate was the highest in the league...

                              And on...

                              And on...

                              He muffed a friggin' punt... it happens.

                              The punt was short... he sprinted to get to it and got to it.

                              And rather than go down after fielding it he looked up to continue the run back...

                              He tried to make a good play a better play...

                              And it went wrong...

                              He is our sure handed return man.

                              Put in to field all critical punts...

                              Why?

                              Because three games ago (IIRC) Benji muffed one deep in our end of the field...

                              As for his "dropped passes"...

                              Y'all need to go to the tape...

                              Cause the three that immediately spring to mind, including the game ending one, were all terrible throws.

                              Amen, he will bounce back and be fine.

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                                S Shep wrote on last edited by
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                                He's dropping a ton of passes, exactly who we DIDN'T think he was, including in preseason. Weird.

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                                  Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                                  Extremely disappointed in Bess

                                  Here site that does advanced stats on WRs.

                                  http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=WR

                                  Out of 80 receivers

                                  In the category "win probability added"

                                  8. Gordon

                                  74. Little

                                  78. Bess

                                  "expected points added"

                                  14. Gordon

                                  74. Bess

                                  80. Little (dead last)

                                  "yards per target"

                                  10. Gordon

                                  78. Bess

                                  80. Little (dead last)

                                  "catch rate"

                                  56. Gordon

                                  71. Bess

                                  80 Little (dead last)

                                  Summary: Bess is having a really bad season and Greg Little sucks balls.

                                  If they traded Gordon I think I would take a bullet to the noggin as opposed to watching this offense without him the rest of the year.

                                  Zombo

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                                    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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                                    I don't get how Bess goes from one of the most trusted 3rd down sure handed guys to what we've seen this year. There's nothing more frustrating than a NFL WR not catching the football.

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                                      Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                                      Last year he ranked 12th in win probabilty.

                                      He was a smart free agent acquisition.

                                      He just happens to suck this year

                                      Maybe it's the gloves.

                                      Cause it ain't the QBs ... he drops all of their passes.

                                      Hoping he gets sync now with Camps, we need a good second half from him.

                                      Zombo

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                                        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                        If bess can't catch that last ball on sunday, i really don't know what he can catch. A soft lazy spiral over the middle that you are literally sliding for and it lands right in your basket....what can you catch if you can't catch that? What? A weeden shovel? Maybe weeds can teach campbell how shovel flick and Bess can be that guy....otherwise wtf?

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                                          B BaconHound wrote on last edited by
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                                          If Chud doesn't bench Bess he might lose the locker room a bit. He has sat Little for less and I still hate coaches, even though I didn't want Shurmur fired, who back a player who stinks. I love Bob Stoops in the fact he says, "yeah he played terrible".

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