Could Kirk Cousins Follow Kyle Shanahan to the Browns?
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I would argue our O Line is better than Denvers...
ahahaha, +1 for an awesome troll!!
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I would argue our O Line is better than Denvers...
ahahaha, +1 for an awesome troll!!
personnel wise they match up. Peyton Manning makes those guys look great. Pretty sure they lost two of their top lineman in training camp, including the center, and never missed a beat...ahahaha, +1 for an awesome troll!!
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I could see something as high as of one of our thirds and a conditional 2015 pick for Cousins, but that's it. He flashed magic in 2012 (101.6 rating), but not so much in 2013 (58.4 rating). I think that in part the sharp decline in 2013 was due to the team quitting on Daddy Shanahan late in the season after he "shut down" RG3. This versus 2012 when the 'Skins were in the proverbial hunt.
But I have a feeling that Kubiak may like Cousins quite a bit. Cousins seems like a more polished TJ Yates, who Kub's really liked in Houston.
As for Grossman... no... He's had a career full of teams that thought they could wring good play out of him. Now he's a 3rd stringer. Who needs a veteran, journeyman third stringer? That's a young pup slot... a project kinda guy...
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We should take one look at RG3 busted leg and leave this Shanahan/Manziel idea well alone
You mean like Hoyer? RG3 busted leg is a function of him not sliding. Manziel isnt a running QB, I am not advocating for Manziel its just a bogus comparison in my opinion. And remember RG3 was playing when he shouldnt have been, thats on the HC.
You mean like Hoyer? RG3 busted leg is a function of him not sliding. Manziel isnt a running QB, I am not advocating for Manziel its just a bogus comparison in my opinion. And remember RG3 was playing when he shouldnt have been, thats on the HC.
If he isn't a running QB I would love to know who is? He's also a weasel that gets injured by college guys let alone NFL players.
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Shanahan reportedly likes Grossman and Grossman reportedly knows Shanahan's system and will serve as a playing coach. You may have mistaken me, for someone who is pimping Grossman or Kirk Cousins. I'm not. All I was saying is that neither I nor any of the analysts I have read see a blue ship quarterback in this draft. Could be that Lombardi and Banner are a lot smarter than they seem to have been given credit for here and will pull a rabbit out of their collective hats.
But if the rumors are true that Kyle Shanahan was at odds with rg3 then it would stand to reason that there will be problems between him and Johnny Manziel. Maybe Johnny isn't the guy at the front office really wants and it's just a smoke screen.
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I could see something as high as of one of our thirds and a conditional 2015 pick for Cousins, but that's it. He flashed magic in 2012 (101.6 rating), but not so much in 2013 (58.4 rating). I think that in part the sharp decline in 2013 was due to the team quitting on Daddy Shanahan late in the season after he "shut down" RG3. This versus 2012 when the 'Skins were in the proverbial hunt.
But I have a feeling that Kubiak may like Cousins quite a bit. Cousins seems like a more polished TJ Yates, who Kub's really liked in Houston.
As for Grossman... no... He's had a career full of teams that thought they could wring good play out of him. Now he's a 3rd stringer. Who needs a veteran, journeyman third stringer? That's a young pup slot... a project kinda guy...
Kirk Cousins hasn't done anything... why not just draft a 3rd or 4th round guy instead of trading a pick...
I could see something as high as of one of our thirds and a conditional 2015 pick for Cousins, but that's it. He flashed magic in 2012 (101.6 rating), but not so much in 2013 (58.4 rating). I think that in part the sharp decline in 2013 was due to the team quitting on Daddy Shanahan late in the season after he "shut down" RG3. This versus 2012 when the 'Skins were in the proverbial hunt.
Seriously...? He started 1 game in 2012, and it happened to be against the no pass-rush, no secondary Cleveland Browns who, like always, made him look like an All-pro. Last year, he only had 1 decent game which was against a struggling ATL... a game he threw 2 INTs in, and his team lost...
No thanks. I'd keep the picks and draft a late-round QB if I want another backup that badly...
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We have enough draft picks to get Andrew Luck out of Indianapolis? Cuz there aint a franchise quarterback in this batch...Zombo said:
I'm not sure why we would go that route. We are looking for a franchise QB and we have enough draft picks to take a stab at one. There is nothing I have seen from Cousins that tells me he's going to be any better than Hoyer will be. Hoyer plus a pick seems to be the ticket to me.
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Also doesn't it seem like Johnny Manziel and Kyle Shanahan would butt heads??? And as far as that goes the guys on the radio are suggesting Rex Grossman comes to Cleveland.
WSS
We have enough draft picks to get Andrew Luck out of Indianapolis? Cuz there aint a franchise quarterback in this batch...
Em Diggy thinks Bridgewater may be every bit the QB that Luck is, no?
Also doesn't it seem like Johnny Manziel and Kyle Shanahan would butt heads??? And as far as that goes the guys on the radio are suggesting Rex Grossman comes to Cleveland.
Not sure why those two would butt heads any more than any other pair of new QB/OC.
Grossman....ah.....NO
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Shanahan reportedly likes Grossman and Grossman reportedly knows Shanahan's system and will serve as a playing coach. You may have mistaken me, for someone who is pimping Grossman or Kirk Cousins. I'm not. All I was saying is that neither I nor any of the analysts I have read see a blue ship quarterback in this draft. Could be that Lombardi and Banner are a lot smarter than they seem to have been given credit for here and will pull a rabbit out of their collective hats.
But if the rumors are true that Kyle Shanahan was at odds with rg3 then it would stand to reason that there will be problems between him and Johnny Manziel. Maybe Johnny isn't the guy at the front office really wants and it's just a smoke screen.
WSS
Shanahan reportedly likes Grossman and Grossman reportedly knows Shanahan's system and will serve as a playing coach. You may have mistaken me, for someone who is pimping Grossman or Kirk Cousins. I'm not. All I was saying is that neither I nor any of the analysts I have read see a blue ship quarterback in this draft.
"Grossman" and "coach" just don't go together in my brain...
Totally agree on "our" QB draft analysis.
Seriously...? He started 1 game in 2012, and it happened to be against the no pass-rush, no secondary Cleveland Browns who, like always, made him look like an All-pro. Last year, he only had 1 decent game which was against a struggling ATL... a game he threw 2 INTs in, and his team lost...
Yes, seriously... He did look good against us in 2012, but he also stepped into two other games when RG3 got dinged and did well.
The 2013 ATL game was the first of the RG3 shutdown games. While you're correct that he threw 2 INTs, he also completed 64% of his passes for 381 yards and 3 TDs. I saw the game. Cousins fought hard in a game where many of his teammates looked like they were mailing it in.
I think he's worth what I proposed.
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Cousins has a career passer rating of 69. Weeden's is 72.
yet cousins is 1-0 against weeden. What's ur fucking point?? Because cousins struggled when the Redskins had already phoned it in. If that's ur sample size then fuck Hoyer!!Cousins has a career passer rating of 69. Weeden's is 72.
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yet cousins is 1-0 against weeden. What's ur fucking point?? Because cousins struggled when the Redskins had already phoned it in. If that's ur sample size then fuck Hoyer!!Cousins has a career passer rating of 69. Weeden's is 72.
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I'm going to say I doubt he follows Shanahan here because it looks like Shanahan's interview went very poorly.
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yet cousins is 1-0 against weeden. What's ur fucking point?? Because cousins struggled when the Redskins had already phoned it in. If that's ur sample size then fuck Hoyer!!Cousins has a career passer rating of 69. Weeden's is 72.
yet cousins is 1-0 against weeden. What's ur fucking point?? Because cousins struggled when the Redskins had already phoned it in. If that's ur sample size then fuck Hoyer!!
better question is what is YOUR fucking point. You think that one game actually is indicative of how Cousins can play as opposed to the larger data set of 5 games in 2013?? I think not. That game was in 2012 as well where our defense stunk even worse.
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one of my best friends son's best friend was in the same dorm as grossman was and the kid says he toked up more than gordon, little and bess combined.
yeah, let's bring him in.
talk about the cardiac kids...how about the cardiac arrest kids?
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yet cousins is 1-0 against weeden. What's ur fucking point?? Because cousins struggled when the Redskins had already phoned it in. If that's ur sample size then fuck Hoyer!!
better question is what is YOUR fucking point. You think that one game actually is indicative of how Cousins can play as opposed to the larger data set of 5 games in 2013?? I think not. That game was in 2012 as well where our defense stunk even worse.
so a Redskins team that was way worse offensively in 2013 than in2012 is proof. By those standards Washington Should be looking for new qb this yearbetter question is what is YOUR fucking point. You think that one game actually is indicative of how Cousins can play as opposed to the larger data set of 5 games in 2013?? I think not. That game was in 2012 as well where our defense stunk even worse.
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so a Redskins team that was way worse offensively in 2013 than in2012 is proof. By those standards Washington Should be looking for new qb this yearbetter question is what is YOUR fucking point. You think that one game actually is indicative of how Cousins can play as opposed to the larger data set of 5 games in 2013?? I think not. That game was in 2012 as well where our defense stunk even worse.
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I understand that I don't see a franchise qb in this draft tho. And gettin kirk would end all 1st round qb talk.....I hope
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I understand that I don't see a franchise qb in this draft tho. And gettin kirk would end all 1st round qb talk.....I hope
You need to open your eyes. 4 QBs will go first round, all with "franchise" QB potential. Sorry if none give you a boner, but we HAVE to take one.I understand that I don't see a franchise qb in this draft tho. And gettin kirk would end all 1st round qb talk.....I hope
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I'm going to say I doubt he follows Shanahan here because it looks like Shanahan's interview went very poorly.
I'm going to say I doubt he follows Shanahan here because it looks like Shanahan's interview went very poorly.
Well he probably doesn't need the money right yet and there will certainly be more coordinator jobs open up next season. And if he had a conflict with rg3 and his pop about what kind of offense he wanted to run I can't imagine him coming in and sayings sure Mr banner whatever you say. We shall see.
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