Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@douche-nozzle said:
The debate seems to be whether he will be a super star this year or if it will take a year or two? Is there a chance he becomes the latest bust in a long line of QB's in Cleveland?
Is it possible the NFL will be too fast, too strong, too smart, for him?
Is it possible his lifestyle will be what he ends up being known best for?
Is it possible the Browns use him incorrectly and destroy his chance at stardom?
The answer is certainly yes to all those questions. Anything IS possible....including that he could become a Superstar....or maybe a decent QB.
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Aside:
Can't wait for the 2014 edition of "This Week in the AFCN".
You're goin' down... at least vs. the spread...
I'm going to Vegas during prime NFL season in early November so I can't wait to start practicing with the browns board spread this year. I bet last year and failed epically so I'm going to pay a lot closer attention to how it all usually breaks down.
I'm going to Vegas during prime NFL season in early November so I can't wait to start practicing with the browns board spread this year. I bet last year and failed epically so I'm going to pay a lot closer attention to how it all usually breaks down.
In the Yahoo game we use Yahoo's line. I use it in the AFCN picks as well while Z uses a mystery line...
This site gives all the casino lines.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
When Bernie was traded to Dallas, I was pissed, but I didn't become a Cowboys fan.
Therefore you were a Bernie hater...
There is only 1 QB on the roster with the upside to win a Super Bowl.
What else matters?
That the upside you see is real and not a mirage?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If he keeps his head on a swivel and doesn't do anything dumb... The sky is the limit for the DragonSlayer.
If he keeps his head on a swivel and doesn't do anything dumb... The sky is the limit for the DragonSlayer.
Peter MacNicol is our QB? Pa-pa-pa-pa-Poughkeepsie...
Yeah- Grahams accomplishments get lost in the mists of time. Graham played in the highest level Championship game every year he played professional football.
Yup... while we may know he was great, we don't remember how dominant he was.
But to me even more startling in that Wiki-chart is that our two, modern-day icons were both a mere 2 games over .500. While three names only those of us of a certain age even know all won at least two-thirds of their games.
@everlastingxxx said:
âWhen he walked down the street people wouldâve looked and they wouldâve said there goes Johnny Manziel, the best there was in this game.â
Would've??? Damn, I thought JM was a lock, but instead he's football's Roy Hobbs?
You'd better pray for the movie version. Things did not work out so well for either the book Hobbs or the real life inspiration for the novel, Eddie Waitkus.
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Johhn is the last guy on this video, and he kinda rubs me the wrong way in it. Hoyer was all upbeat and JF just looked like a dick.
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Johhn is the last guy on this video, and he kinda rubs me the wrong way in it. Hoyer was all upbeat and JF just looked like a dick.
Johhn is the last guy on this video, and he kinda rubs me the wrong way in it. Hoyer was all upbeat and JF just looked like a dick.
I didn't watch the video but I think thats just his face.
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He is sorta dickfaced.
Johnny the dickfaced midget.
Still reminds me of Tarkenton though ... and for you youngsters ... that's a good thing.
Z
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apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.
this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.
i'm arguing with women.
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Yea, well, think about it, BB cut BK in favor of Todd Philcox. Do you think Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones would have given Todd Philcox a contract for a million dollars to play backup for the rest of that season for them? Unlikely.
So, yes, that sparked some interest in how Bernie would do that year. But I still was rooting for the Bills to win that year, not the Cowboys.
But, you know....in a sense, I am somewhat just like Everlast........He is rooting for the QB that came from his school (I assume T-A&M is his school) that was drafted by the Browns.
I too had the opportunity to root for a QB from my school that was drafted by the Browns.......by the name of Charlie Frye. And we know how that turned out.
Let's hope that JFF does not turn out to be the next Charlie Frye.
(but, you know, I am fearful there is a chance he just might)
Charlie's Fryes. I remember it well.
I have nothing but a hunch that Johnny Football is going to be a great Quarterback. Think he will be the starter after Bye week.
If the Browns are 0-3 you're going to get your wish.
There is only 1 QB on the roster with the upside to win a Super Bowl.
What else matters?
A little less JFF love and more objectivity would be a start. Hey, I'm an Ohio State homer- remember Dan Wilkinson (doubtful) the next Bruce Smith? Didn't quite work out that way.
Two words- Kurt Warner. Remember him? Grocery bagger washout. BTW, the Browns passed on him in the expansion draft his stock was so low.
You Johnny lovers gonna have conniptions when he doesn't start day 1? Here's a clue- it's Training Camp- preseason- which doesn't mean jack shit when the REAL season starts. If you Johnny homos start creaming your pants over his amazing exploits in the next couple months, I'm not quite certain what us Mods will have to do.
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apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.
this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.
i'm arguing with women.
apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.
this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.
i'm arguing with women.
Nope, it's just after (I think it's up to something like 23) different quarterbacks since 1999 come in and flop, we tend to analyze their weaknesses rather harshly. Like JFF has no holes in his game? So, he might, possibly be good enough to win a Super Bowl eventually- with the proper talent around him. You're assuming he's going to be great- going by past draft stats, there's a 33% chance of that. There's also around a 33% bust rate for first round quarterbacks, in case you didn't realize. Nope, no way Johnny could possibly bust. Well, we've seen too much of that to totally discount the possibility.
Even having a great qb is no guarantee you're going to get to the Promised Land. Just ask the Patriots, Niners, Lions and Falcons. Their quarterbacks until your man crush proves differently- are on another planet compared to him.
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apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.
this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.
i'm arguing with women.
Nope, it's just after (I think it's up to something like 23) different quarterbacks since 1999 come in and flop, we tend to analyze their weaknesses rather harshly. Like JFF has no holes in his game? So, he might, possibly be good enough to win a Super Bowl eventually- with the proper talent around him. You're assuming he's going to be great- going by past draft stats, there's a 33% chance of that. There's also around a 33% bust rate for first round quarterbacks, in case you didn't realize. Nope, no way Johnny could possibly bust. Well, we've seen too much of that to totally discount the possibility.
Even having a great qb is no guarantee you're going to get to the Promised Land. Just ask the Patriots, Niners, Lions and Falcons. Their quarterbacks until your man crush proves differently- are on another planet compared to him.
Nope, it's just after (I think it's up to something like 23) different quarterbacks since 1999 come in and flop, we tend to analyze their weaknesses rather harshly. Like JFF has no holes in his game? So, he might, possibly be good enough to win a Super Bowl eventually- with the proper talent around him. You're assuming he's going to be great- going by past draft stats, there's a 33% chance of that. There's also around a 33% bust rate for first round quarterbacks, in case you didn't realize. Nope, no way Johnny could possibly bust. Well, we've seen too much of that to totally discount the possibility.
Even having a great qb is no guarantee you're going to get to the Promised Land. Just ask the Patriots, Niners, Lions and Falcons. Their quarterbacks until your man crush proves differently- are on another planet compared to him.
Hey now, he's a Cowboy fan. They know good QB play when they see it. I mean they always support their QB, especially when he is the only reason they've been lucky enough to pull of 8-8 for the past 5-20 years.
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now that jim brown opened his yap about manziel there is NO pressure on the FO to lean towards manziel, huh?
dude needs to keep his mouth shut and let people do their jobs.
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He is sorta dickfaced.
Johnny the dickfaced midget.
Still reminds me of Tarkenton though ... and for you youngsters ... that's a good thing.
Z
Zombo said:
He is sorta dickfaced.
Johnny the dickfaced midget.
Still reminds me of Tarkenton though ... and for you youngsters ... that's a good thing.
Z
I remember Tarkenton when I was a kid..if JFF is anything remotely close to FT..were gonna have some rolicking fun..But I'm down with Hoyer as the season opener starter..If we sit Manziel for a season or 2..I wont be upset with that but, common sense us tells he'll start sooner rather than later.,,And great thread Gipper..I enjoyed this one...
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apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.
this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.
i'm arguing with women.
apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.
this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.
i'm arguing with women.
It may indeed be logical to think that.
You must differentiate between what the Browns organization thinks and what Browns fans think. Yes, the organization may in fact think he is capable of taking the team to the SB.
The fans on the other had have a right to be skeptical.
We drafted QBs in the first round before. Now you tell me how many Super Bowls Tim Couch, Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden combined have won.
JFF is in "Prove it" mode with us. Prove that you are not going to be just another name to join the above list. Zero playoff starts between them. (While TC did take the team to the playoffs, due to injury he could not play in the only playoff game)
You are self assured that he will "Prove it." Fine. We long time fans need harder facts.
Let me ask you this: do you know who Frank Ryan is?
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I'm going to Vegas during prime NFL season in early November so I can't wait to start practicing with the browns board spread this year. I bet last year and failed epically so I'm going to pay a lot closer attention to how it all usually breaks down.
In the Yahoo game we use Yahoo's line. I use it in the AFCN picks as well while Z uses a mystery line...
This site gives all the casino lines.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
When Bernie was traded to Dallas, I was pissed, but I didn't become a Cowboys fan.
Therefore you were a Bernie hater...
There is only 1 QB on the roster with the upside to win a Super Bowl.
What else matters?
That the upside you see is real and not a mirage?
In the Yahoo game we use Yahoo's line. I use it in the AFCN picks as well while Z uses a mystery line...
This site gives all the casino lines.
Just curious, do you know if the Yahoo lines are based on Vegas lines? Last year I did a pick 4, pick 6 and pick 12. Got 3, 4, and 8 right respectively. Close, but no cigar!
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Uh oh:
Report: Johnny Manzielâs off-field actions have âalarmedâ BrownsPosted by Mike Wilkening on July 25, 2014, 2:35 PM EDT
APAt the outset of Browns training camp comes a published report indicating the organization is concerned about Johnny Manzielâs off-field activities this offseason.
Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, citing unnamed sources, reported Friday that the Browns were âalarmedâ by Manzielâs off-field actions since joining the organization, with the now-infamous dollar bill picture particularly concerning to the organization.
Moreover, the Plain Dealer reports that Manzielâs play in OTAs âregressedâ as the workouts went on â and that members of the organization believed it could be chalked up to Manziel not being diligent enough in his work.
Whatâs more, the Plain Dealer, citing sources, reported that some in the organization believed Manziel had âlost groundâ in the battle to beat out Brian Hoyer for the starting job.
In more positive news for Manziel, the Plain Dealer reported that Manziel practiced well on Thursday. But itâs clear Manzielâs first professional offseason didnât exactly go as some in the organization as hoped. Now, itâs on the Brownsâ first-round pick to prove any discussion of his off-field habits is much ado about nothing.
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Uh oh:
Report: Johnny Manzielâs off-field actions have âalarmedâ BrownsPosted by Mike Wilkening on July 25, 2014, 2:35 PM EDTAPAt the outset of Browns training camp comes a published report indicating the organization is concerned about Johnny Manzielâs off-field activities this offseason.
Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, citing unnamed sources, reported Friday that the Browns were âalarmedâ by Manzielâs off-field actions since joining the organization, with the now-infamous dollar bill picture particularly concerning to the organization.
Moreover, the Plain Dealer reports that Manzielâs play in OTAs âregressedâ as the workouts went on â and that members of the organization believed it could be chalked up to Manziel not being diligent enough in his work.
Whatâs more, the Plain Dealer, citing sources, reported that some in the organization believed Manziel had âlost groundâ in the battle to beat out Brian Hoyer for the starting job.
In more positive news for Manziel, the Plain Dealer reported that Manziel practiced well on Thursday. But itâs clear Manzielâs first professional offseason didnât exactly go as some in the organization as hoped. Now, itâs on the Brownsâ first-round pick to prove any discussion of his off-field habits is much ado about nothing.
But itâs clear Manzielâs first professional offseason didnât exactly go as some in the organization as hoped.
Training Camp hasn't even fucking started yet?
This article is horse shit.
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I heard a report that JFF had not learned the playbook as was expected of him. That he was basically lost on reads that the coaches thought he should be making....and that he had acquired a bit of a paunch.
Now, maybe that last bit is just rumor, and maybe the first bit is just being a rookie.....but needless to say, the coaches were not impressed by his dedication.
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But itâs clear Manzielâs first professional offseason didnât exactly go as some in the organization as hoped.
Training Camp hasn't even fucking started yet?
This article is horse shit.
Training Camp hasn't even fucking started yet?
This article is horse shit.
Actually, no, I think the rookies have been in the last couple of days.
And camp doesn't have to have started to tell if JFF is paunchy.
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I realize on paper JFF has the potential. But Hoyer has a fire lit under him now, and Manziel is going to have to WORK to beat him.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.â - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Training Camp hasn't even fucking started yet?
This article is horse shit.
Actually, no, I think the rookies have been in the last couple of days.
And camp doesn't have to have started to tell if JFF is paunchy.
Actually, no, I think the rookies have been in the last couple of days.
And camp doesn't have to have started to tell if JFF is paunchy.
I don't want Manziel to start, let Hoyer see what he can accomplish.
But to say that his first offseason is a failure and we haven't officially kicked off full team training camp is a fucking joke.
Mary Kay is a fucking blow hard.
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