Jonathan Paul Manziel

[Tour2ma]

@jrb12711 said:

I'm going to Vegas during prime NFL season in early November so I can't wait to start practicing with the browns board spread this year. I bet last year and failed epically so I'm going to pay a lot closer attention to how it all usually breaks down.

In the Yahoo game we use Yahoo's line. I use it in the AFCN picks as well while Z uses a mystery line...

This site gives all the casino lines.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

@diehardbrownsfan said:

When Bernie was traded to Dallas, I was pissed, but I didn't become a Cowboys fan.

Therefore you were a Bernie hater...

@txdawg said:

There is only 1 QB on the roster with the upside to win a Super Bowl.

What else matters?

That the upside you see is real and not a mirage?

[Tour2ma]

@poeticg said:

If he keeps his head on a swivel and doesn't do anything dumb... The sky is the limit for the DragonSlayer.

Peter MacNicol is our QB? Pa-pa-pa-pa-Poughkeepsie...

@hoorta said:

Yeah- Grahams accomplishments get lost in the mists of time. Graham played in the highest level Championship game every year he played professional football.

Yup... while we may know he was great, we don't remember how dominant he was.

But to me even more startling in that Wiki-chart is that our two, modern-day icons were both a mere 2 games over .500. While three names only those of us of a certain age even know all won at least two-thirds of their games.

@everlastingxxx said:

“When he walked down the street people would’ve looked and they would’ve said there goes Johnny Manziel, the best there was in this game.”

Would've??? Damn, I thought JM was a lock, but instead he's football's Roy Hobbs?

You'd better pray for the movie version. Things did not work out so well for either the book Hobbs or the real life inspiration for the novel, Eddie Waitkus.

[cambridgeho]

Johhn is the last guy on this video, and he kinda rubs me the wrong way in it. Hoyer was all upbeat and JF just looked like a dick.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Players-Arrive-For-Training-Camp/aff34179-8755-4d55-af9b-b911a3209c0d

[Taco918]

@cambridgeho said:

Johhn is the last guy on this video, and he kinda rubs me the wrong way in it. Hoyer was all upbeat and JF just looked like a dick.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Players-Arrive-For-Training-Camp/aff34179-8755-4d55-af9b-b911a3209c0d

I didn't watch the video but I think thats just his face.

[Zombo]

He is sorta dickfaced.

Johnny the dickfaced midget.

Still reminds me of Tarkenton though ... and for you youngsters ... that's a good thing.

Z

[TXDawg]

apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.

this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.

i'm arguing with women.

[WalterWhite]

@hoorta said:

If you Johnny homos start creaming your pants over his amazing exploits in the next couple months, I'm not quite certain what us Mods will have to do.

[hoorta]

@txdawg said:

apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.

this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.

i'm arguing with women.

Nope, it's just after (I think it's up to something like 23) different quarterbacks since 1999 come in and flop, we tend to analyze their weaknesses rather harshly. Like JFF has no holes in his game? So, he might, possibly be good enough to win a Super Bowl eventually- with the proper talent around him. You're assuming he's going to be great- going by past draft stats, there's a 33% chance of that. There's also around a 33% bust rate for first round quarterbacks, in case you didn't realize. Nope, no way Johnny could possibly bust. Well, we've seen too much of that to totally discount the possibility.

Even having a great qb is no guarantee you're going to get to the Promised Land. Just ask the Patriots, Niners, Lions and Falcons. Their quarterbacks until your man crush proves differently- are on another planet compared to him.

[Taco918]

@hoorta said:

Nope, it's just after (I think it's up to something like 23) different quarterbacks since 1999 come in and flop, we tend to analyze their weaknesses rather harshly. Like JFF has no holes in his game? So, he might, possibly be good enough to win a Super Bowl eventually- with the proper talent around him. You're assuming he's going to be great- going by past draft stats, there's a 33% chance of that. There's also around a 33% bust rate for first round quarterbacks, in case you didn't realize. Nope, no way Johnny could possibly bust. Well, we've seen too much of that to totally discount the possibility.

Even having a great qb is no guarantee you're going to get to the Promised Land. Just ask the Patriots, Niners, Lions and Falcons. Their quarterbacks until your man crush proves differently- are on another planet compared to him.

Hey now, he's a Cowboy fan. They know good QB play when they see it. I mean they always support their QB, especially when he is the only reason they've been lucky enough to pull of 8-8 for the past 5-20 years.

[miktoxic]

now that jim brown opened his yap about manziel there is NO pressure on the FO to lean towards manziel, huh?

dude needs to keep his mouth shut and let people do their jobs.

[nickers]

Zombo said:

He is sorta dickfaced.

Johnny the dickfaced midget.

Still reminds me of Tarkenton though ... and for you youngsters ... that's a good thing.

Z

I remember Tarkenton when I was a kid..if JFF is anything remotely close to FT..were gonna have some rolicking fun..But I'm down with Hoyer as the season opener starter..If we sit Manziel for a season or 2..I wont be upset with that but, common sense us tells he'll start sooner rather than later.,,And great thread Gipper..I enjoyed this one...

[The Gipper]

@txdawg said:

apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.

this is just Retarded. fan boy this, fan boy that.

i'm arguing with women.

It may indeed be logical to think that.

You must differentiate between what the Browns organization thinks and what Browns fans think. Yes, the organization may in fact think he is capable of taking the team to the SB.

The fans on the other had have a right to be skeptical.

We drafted QBs in the first round before. Now you tell me how many Super Bowls Tim Couch, Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden combined have won.

JFF is in "Prove it" mode with us. Prove that you are not going to be just another name to join the above list. Zero playoff starts between them. (While TC did take the team to the playoffs, due to injury he could not play in the only playoff game)

You are self assured that he will "Prove it." Fine. We long time fans need harder facts.

Let me ask you this: do you know who Frank Ryan is?

[jrb12711]

@tour2ma said:

In the Yahoo game we use Yahoo's line. I use it in the AFCN picks as well while Z uses a mystery line...

This site gives all the casino lines.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

Just curious, do you know if the Yahoo lines are based on Vegas lines? Last year I did a pick 4, pick 6 and pick 12. Got 3, 4, and 8 right respectively. Close, but no cigar!

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Uh oh:

Report: Johnny Manziel’s off-field actions have “alarmed” Browns

Posted by Mike Wilkening on July 25, 2014, 2:35 PM EDT

AP

At the outset of Browns training camp comes a published report indicating the organization is concerned about Johnny Manziel’s off-field activities this offseason.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, citing unnamed sources, reported Friday that the Browns were “alarmed” by Manziel’s off-field actions since joining the organization, with the now-infamous dollar bill picture particularly concerning to the organization.

Moreover, the Plain Dealer reports that Manziel’s play in OTAs “regressed” as the workouts went on — and that members of the organization believed it could be chalked up to Manziel not being diligent enough in his work.

What’s more, the Plain Dealer, citing sources, reported that some in the organization believed Manziel had “lost ground” in the battle to beat out Brian Hoyer for the starting job.

In more positive news for Manziel, the Plain Dealer reported that Manziel practiced well on Thursday. But it’s clear Manziel’s first professional offseason didn’t exactly go as some in the organization as hoped. Now, it’s on the Browns’ first-round pick to prove any discussion of his off-field habits is much ado about nothing.

[WalterWhite]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

But it’s clear Manziel’s first professional offseason didn’t exactly go as some in the organization as hoped.

Training Camp hasn't even fucking started yet?

This article is horse shit.

[The Gipper]

I heard a report that JFF had not learned the playbook as was expected of him. That he was basically lost on reads that the coaches thought he should be making....and that he had acquired a bit of a paunch.

Now, maybe that last bit is just rumor, and maybe the first bit is just being a rookie.....but needless to say, the coaches were not impressed by his dedication.

[The Gipper]

@walterwhite said:

Training Camp hasn't even fucking started yet?

This article is horse shit.

Actually, no, I think the rookies have been in the last couple of days.

And camp doesn't have to have started to tell if JFF is paunchy.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

I realize on paper JFF has the potential. But Hoyer has a fire lit under him now, and Manziel is going to have to WORK to beat him.

[WalterWhite]

@the-gipper said:

Actually, no, I think the rookies have been in the last couple of days.

And camp doesn't have to have started to tell if JFF is paunchy.

I don't want Manziel to start, let Hoyer see what he can accomplish.

But to say that his first offseason is a failure and we haven't officially kicked off full team training camp is a fucking joke.

Mary Kay is a fucking blow hard.

[Tour2ma]

@txdawg said:

apparently it's logical to think the Browns drafted a QB in the 1st who doesn't have the upside of being able to win a super bowl.

It's happened before... and not just to the Browns.

Look... I simply do not see JM as a "sure thing"... certainly not when it comes to a SB winner. I seldom see one of those at QB. Last one was Andrew Luck. JM has the potential to be a solid starter in the NFL, but whether or not he becomes one is up to him.

@jrb12711 said:

Just curious, do you know if the Yahoo lines are based on Vegas lines? Last year I did a pick 4, pick 6 and pick 12.

Never looked to see if they favor a particular line or not... sorry...

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Uh oh:

Report: Johnny Manziel’s off-field actions have “alarmed” Browns

Posted by Mike Wilkening on July 25, 2014, 2:35 PM EDT

Moreover, the Plain Dealer reports that Manziel’s play in OTAs “regressed” as the workouts went on — and that members of the organization believed it could be chalked up to Manziel not being diligent enough in his work.

What’s more, the Plain Dealer, citing sources, reported that some in the organization believed Manziel had “lost ground” in the battle to beat out Brian Hoyer for the starting job.

Now, it’s on the Browns’ first-round pick to prove any discussion of his off-field habits is much ado about nothing.

"Losing ground" would be the result of "regressing", so they are in essence the same thing. If true, then the root cause, not working hard enough, is a concern.

Like I said above, how far he goes is up to him.