Jameis Winston declares.
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They draft 12th. They won't get a chance to get him. Of the 11 teams that draft before them like 8-9 need a QB.
Have two picks trade up.
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Fight rapist fire with rapist fire?
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They draft 12th. They won't get a chance to get him. Of the 11 teams that draft before them like 8-9 need a QB.
Have two picks trade up.
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They draft 12th. They won't get a chance to get him. Of the 11 teams that draft before them like 8-9 need a QB.
This is that age-old question, though.
If, as you say, you would take him at 12, do you believe that he is franchise QB material?
Then, if you do believe he has franchise potential, where do you draw the line on trading up to get him?
If a franchise QB can really change a franchise by himself, wouldn't you do anything to get him?
These are all hypothetical. I am in no way saying that Winston is a franchise-changing quarterback. My questions are purely based on thought processes.
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I would also like to point out that the first mention of Jameis Winston on TheBrownsBoard was from yours truly:
Richardson wasn't leading Cleveland to the playoffs any time soon. No runningback will be leading their team to the playoffs any time soon.
Adrian Peterson had an absolutely stellar season, where exactly did the Vikings end up?
If they use that draft pick and get a fantastic #2 CB or a wideout to pair with Gordon, this trade will have been great for us.
If they package two first round picks to move up two spots and take a QB, this trade will have been awful. We should be picking top 3 next year. There are, at this point, two very solid college QB's (Boyd, Bridgewater) and a beast DE (Clowney) that will be in the 2014 draft. There may also be a couple other good QB's available as well (Manziel, Hundley).
If we can't get a QB in that scenario, it's time to finally give up. Move the team to France and become the Baguettes.
Or we just trade back again and again and again and play for Jameis Winston, whenever he decides to come out. Could be three years from now.Also, check out that bolded text.I'll continue in my role as the most forward-thinker on this forum.I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Plus anybody in the Cleveland media that bad mouths him will be fired for racism.
WSS
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Plus anybody in the Cleveland media that bad mouths him will be fired for racism.
WSS
Plus anybody in the Cleveland media that bad mouths him will be fired for racism.
WSS
Here's hoping that MKC is the first to go.
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They draft 12th. They won't get a chance to get him. Of the 11 teams that draft before them like 8-9 need a QB.
The team that does draft him will still need a QB.
GO BROWNS !
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Cleveland would have to give up both #1's and next years for Tampa's pick.
Don't see 11-5 in 2015 with the current roster and Winston
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@junkyard-dawg said:
For a criminal rapist scumbag? No thanks.
+1. Id rather continue to have losing seasons than have a piece of shit leading my team.
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I'd take jameis winston. It cannot be worse than what we're facing now.
oh yes it can. Winston makes Manziel look like a Viennese choir boy.
oh yes it can. Winston makes Manziel look like a Viennese choir boy.
The difference is he also makes manziel look like the equipment manager. Because jameis can play.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
For a criminal rapist scumbag? No thanks.
+1. Id rather continue to have losing seasons than have a piece of shit leading my team.
+1. Id rather continue to have losing seasons than have a piece of shit leading my team.
we already have a piece of shit that will lead this team next season, might as well get a bigger piece of shit to lead us. Anyway not going to happen, the bounty will be too high to get to #1 unless JFF + Gordon + 2 #1's = this years #1.
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I wouldn't draft that fucking idiot if he made it all the way to 12
You call him an idiot yet he was accepted to Stanford. He holds a 3.2 GPA and can read defenses.I wouldn't draft that fucking idiot if he made it all the way to 12
You are the same dirt bag that was all about sucking some Manziel rod so I am not surprised you can't see good QBs.
@junkyard-dawg said:
For a criminal rapist scumbag? No thanks.
Talking football no one cares about your made up vendetta.
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Cleveland would have to give up both #1's and next years for Tampa's pick.
Don't see 11-5 in 2015 with the current roster and Winston
Cleveland would have to give up both #1's and next years for Tampa's pick.
Don't see 11-5 in 2015 with the current roster and Winston
Right. The cost would be way too high imo to trade for him. Someone will want an RGIII type of deal. Nyet.
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I say draft him if the price is right. Then put a security team with him at all times like the Cowboys do with Dez Bryant.
As a matter of fact, get a security team to follow Manziel and most likely you won't have any more off-the-field issues with guy.
I say draft him if the price is right. Then put a security team with him at all times like the Cowboys do with Dez Bryant.
As a matter of fact, get a security team to follow Manziel and most likely you won't have any more off-the-field issues with guy.
Would be nice if you could....but you cant.
CBA basically forces a hands off situation with teams and players during the off season. The Browns cannot create rules, structure or a "security team" for Johnny.....he's on his own 100%.....
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I would also like to point out that the first mention of Jameis Winston on TheBrownsBoard was from yours truly:
Richardson wasn't leading Cleveland to the playoffs any time soon. No runningback will be leading their team to the playoffs any time soon.
Adrian Peterson had an absolutely stellar season, where exactly did the Vikings end up?
If they use that draft pick and get a fantastic #2 CB or a wideout to pair with Gordon, this trade will have been great for us.
If they package two first round picks to move up two spots and take a QB, this trade will have been awful. We should be picking top 3 next year. There are, at this point, two very solid college QB's (Boyd, Bridgewater) and a beast DE (Clowney) that will be in the 2014 draft. There may also be a couple other good QB's available as well (Manziel, Hundley).
If we can't get a QB in that scenario, it's time to finally give up. Move the team to France and become the Baguettes.
Or we just trade back again and again and again and play for Jameis Winston, whenever he decides to come out. Could be three years from now.Also, check out that bolded text.I'll continue in my role as the most forward-thinker on this forum.I'll continue in my role as the most forward-thinker on this forum.
All you need is a good talent appraiser to go with your foresight... or was Boyd just ahead of his time as well?
Don't see 11-5 in 2015 with the current roster and Winston
But what do you see with the current roster?
CBA basically forces a hands off situation with teams and players during the off season. The Browns cannot create rules, structure or a "security team" for Johnny.....he's on his own 100%.....
But all players were given individually tailored, off-season study plans and work out programs. Surely he'll follow those with at least the dedication he showed in season... Won't he?
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I say draft him if the price is right. Then put a security team with him at all times like the Cowboys do with Dez Bryant.
As a matter of fact, get a security team to follow Manziel and most likely you won't have any more off-the-field issues with guy.
Would be nice if you could....but you cant.
CBA basically forces a hands off situation with teams and players during the off season. The Browns cannot create rules, structure or a "security team" for Johnny.....he's on his own 100%.....
Would be nice if you could....but you cant.
CBA basically forces a hands off situation with teams and players during the off season. The Browns cannot create rules, structure or a "security team" for Johnny.....he's on his own 100%.....
So why can the Cowboys do so? Is it because Dez's rookie deal was signed before the new CBA was negotiated and signed?
Edit: I was looking into the reported 'rules' and it seems like they were set up before the 2012 season. Bryant had already played two seasons by then so it can't be a clause in his contract. If the new CBA has some clauses preventing an agreement of this kind from being valid, it wouldn't still be in place. I don't see why the Browns can't ask Johnny and his representatives to set up something like this.
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I'll continue in my role as the most forward-thinker on this forum.
All you need is a good talent appraiser to go with your foresight... or was Boyd just ahead of his time as well?
Don't see 11-5 in 2015 with the current roster and Winston
But what do you see with the current roster?
CBA basically forces a hands off situation with teams and players during the off season. The Browns cannot create rules, structure or a "security team" for Johnny.....he's on his own 100%.....
But all players were given individually tailored, off-season study plans and work out programs. Surely he'll follow those with at least the dedication he showed in season... Won't he?
All you need is a good talent appraiser to go with your foresight... or was Boyd just ahead of his time as well?
But what do you see with the current roster?
But all players were given individually tailored, off-season study plans and work out programs. Surely he'll follow those with at least the dedication he showed in season... Won't he?
I will admit I'm a QB is the last piece kinda fan. If you tell me that you can build a top 10 defense, with a good offensive line and a solid run game I don't care if a Trent Dilfer type is the play caller. I always think that strategy is more bearable then the "trying to draft the QB savior".
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All you need is a good talent appraiser to go with your foresight... or was Boyd just ahead of his time as well?
But what do you see with the current roster?
But all players were given individually tailored, off-season study plans and work out programs. Surely he'll follow those with at least the dedication he showed in season... Won't he?
I will admit I'm a QB is the last piece kinda fan. If you tell me that you can build a top 10 defense, with a good offensive line and a solid run game I don't care if a Trent Dilfer type is the play caller. I always think that strategy is more bearable then the "trying to draft the QB savior".
I will admit I'm a QB is the last piece kinda fan. If you tell me that you can build a top 10 defense, with a good offensive line and a solid run game I don't care if a Trent Dilfer type is the play caller. I always think that strategy is more bearable then the "trying to draft the QB savior".
That is a way to go about it, but it would have been more effective a few years ago. What happens when you get to the playoffs and that top defense faces a top 10 offense? Something has to give at some point, and you can't expect the defense to shot out top offenses in three straight games to get you the Lombardi.
You saw it happen in Week 17 and last week. The Detroit Lions, a top five defense, gave up 30 points to the Packers and 24 the following week to the Cowboys. At some point the offense will have to step up and put up more than 20 points per game.
The savior is the guy who makes the difference at that point.
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