Browns vs. Steelers offensive line
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Stuart said:
Vag and Gip always matching wits!
Doesn't get any better than that on these boards!
Wits has nothing to do with it. (you and I both know he can't match wits with me).
And it wasn't even me that he was attempting to "match wits with"....it was thenew23.
It was pure straight football statistics that were being matched. thenew said the Browns run game was as productive as the Steelers. Vag had a coronary over that and disputed it.
Yet I showed the stats that proved that thenew was right. When I compiled those stats....I fully expected that they would prove the Vag right.....but they didn't. But even when the stats were shown and supported thenew.....Vag tried to do another tap dance and say "homina homina homina....well....uh...duh....I am just talking about Bell.....that he is better than anyone of your runners". Except, of course, that was not thenew's contention.
Funny that he didn't argue with me when I showed how much better the Steeler's passing game was. I mean, he goes into epileptic siezure over one set of black and white stats...but not over another. Why was that?
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@douche-nozzle said:
And how does all of this "grading out" work for the Browns? The Browns are still the Browns ad no matter how much whipped cream you put on a turd it's still a turd. You can talk about how nice the paint job is, how highly the suspension system is rated, the reaction times of the driver, how the aerodynamics are the rated highly, how the tires are said to be better than those used by others, but when the car finishes last every single race (AFCN) you are just making a fool of yourself analysing the peices-parts.
It says that we need a better quarterback.....and more organizational stability.
again....what is it about all that you don't comprehend?
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@douche-nozzle said:
Distance traveled? Then the Browns are exactly where they were when they joined the league in 1999. Except they have built an even more reliable habit of losing big down the stretch. I'm not trying to antagonize you, just pointing out what the rest of the world knows. The Browns fail every year and they fail in virtually the same way. Browns fans and media demand the same thing every year (instant success) and every year it backfires on them. Wash, rinse, repeat.
First, the Browns joined the league in 1950.....and won the championship....so, no, they are not where they are when they joined the league.
Second, you are right....they have this habit of losing down the stretch.
If you have an answer as to why that is....and I don't mean your stupid demeaning shit, but a real answer, we are all ears.
And, yes, Browns fans demand instant success every year. What else would you have us do.....be patient? (and where do you get the idea that we are not patient.)
Hell, Browns fans have more enthusiasm for their losing team than yinzers have for a successful team.
I mean, we are not the ones the Commissioner had to question over our no show rate:
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@douche-nozzle said:
The magic in a bottle I referred to is drafting supposed studs in the first round when there is not a solid team for them to play on. The magic in a bottle I referred to is picking sexy picks thinking it will make the difference when everyone (but the Browns and their fans) know that it doesn't work that way. Allow a coaching staff to stick around long enough to develop a scheme, a system, while building the core of a team on and off the field; and then go get the stud to make the difference.
Or.....just keep just keep doing what you've been doing for decades and expecting different results.
OK, so, what, you are saying that the Browns nor anyone else should not pick a QB in the first round?
If so, then why did the Steelers make the mistake of drafting BR in round one.
When he came into the league he was by no means considered a sure thing. If he was he would not have lasted until pick 11.
And don't tell me that you or your ilk knew that he would succeed. Hell, he could have turned out to have been no better than the QB picked after him: JP Losman.
You got lucky with your pick. Browns got unlucky. BR was no more touted coming out of college than Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden or certainly Johnny Football.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Distance traveled? Then the Browns are exactly where they were when they joined the league in 1999. Except they have built an even more reliable habit of losing big down the stretch. I'm not trying to antagonize you, just pointing out what the rest of the world knows. The Browns fail every year and they fail in virtually the same way. Browns fans and media demand the same thing every year (instant success) and every year it backfires on them. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Are you even capable of offering substance to a discussion?....You dont antagonize me, because Ive never seen you promote a solid football thought that even made me blink. Just typical Stooler fan type hyperbole.
You would actually need to offer smart and intimidating commentary for me to feel antagonized. That has never happened.
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@douche-nozzle said:
The magic in a bottle I referred to is drafting supposed studs in the first round when there is not a solid team for them to play on.
I just want to admire this gem for a bit...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@douche-nozzle said:
The magic in a bottle I referred to is drafting supposed studs in the first round when there is not a solid team for them to play on.
I just want to admire this gem for a bit...
I just want to admire this gem for a bit...
Yep, we should just give up drafting first rounders and hoping they make the team better. Just fill out the roster with a bunch of scrubs who are consistent.
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Yep, we should just give up drafting first rounders and hoping they make the team better. Just fill out the roster with a bunch of scrubs who are consistent.
Have the Browns had problems drafting guys in the first round? Yes.....and it is mostly the skill players that they have bombed on.
But, the fact is....everybody had these players ranked highly....so its not like the Browns greatly reached. Here is what we have:
2014
Mayock at NFL.com had JFF ranked as the #10 prospect, Gilbert at #23
CBS.com had JFF ranked #7, Gilbert #20
If you just reverse where these two were taken...it would be consistent with their preseason ranking.
2013
Mayock/NFL.com had Mingo ranked #10. CBS had him ranked #21
2012
Mayock had Richardon ranked #3, Weeden #35
CBS had Richardson at #4, Weeden at #44
Weeden seems the only true reach. That is what happens when you are desperate for a QB. Weeden had/has all the arm talent in the world....but as someone said, he had the pocket presence of a possum in headlights.
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Yep, we should just give up drafting first rounders and hoping they make the team better. Just fill out the roster with a bunch of scrubs who are consistent.
Have the Browns had problems drafting guys in the first round? Yes.....and it is mostly the skill players that they have bombed on.
But, the fact is....everybody had these players ranked highly....so its not like the Browns greatly reached. Here is what we have:
2014
Mayock at NFL.com had JFF ranked as the #10 prospect, Gilbert at #23
CBS.com had JFF ranked #7, Gilbert #20
If you just reverse where these two were taken...it would be consistent with their preseason ranking.
2013
Mayock/NFL.com had Mingo ranked #10. CBS had him ranked #21
2012
Mayock had Richardon ranked #3, Weeden #35
CBS had Richardson at #4, Weeden at #44
Weeden seems the only true reach. That is what happens when you are desperate for a QB. Weeden had/has all the arm talent in the world....but as someone said, he had the pocket presence of a possum in headlights.
Have the Browns had problems drafting guys in the first round? Yes.....and it is mostly the skill players that they have bombed on.
But, the fact is....everybody had these players ranked highly....so its not like the Browns greatly reached. Here is what we have:
2014
Mayock at NFL.com had JFF ranked as the #10 prospect, Gilbert at #23
CBS.com had JFF ranked #7, Gilbert #20
If you just reverse where these two were taken...it would be consistent with their preseason ranking.
2013
Mayock/NFL.com had Mingo ranked #10. CBS had him ranked #21
2012
Mayock had Richardon ranked #3, Weeden #35
CBS had Richardson at #4, Weeden at #44
Weeden seems the only true reach. That is what happens when you are desperate for a QB. Weeden had/has all the arm talent in the world....but as someone said, he had the pocket presence of a possum in headlights.
Do I need to point out to you when I'm being sarcastic?
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Have the Browns had problems drafting guys in the first round? Yes.....and it is mostly the skill players that they have bombed on.
But, the fact is....everybody had these players ranked highly....so its not like the Browns greatly reached. Here is what we have:
2014
Mayock at NFL.com had JFF ranked as the #10 prospect, Gilbert at #23
CBS.com had JFF ranked #7, Gilbert #20
If you just reverse where these two were taken...it would be consistent with their preseason ranking.
2013
Mayock/NFL.com had Mingo ranked #10. CBS had him ranked #21
2012
Mayock had Richardon ranked #3, Weeden #35
CBS had Richardson at #4, Weeden at #44
Weeden seems the only true reach. That is what happens when you are desperate for a QB. Weeden had/has all the arm talent in the world....but as someone said, he had the pocket presence of a possum in headlights.
Do I need to point out to you when I'm being sarcastic?
Do I need to point out to you when I'm being sarcastic?
No, I knew that. I just used your post as a jumping spot to show how the Browns didn't draft players that everyone else thought was "no good."
And to point out that there is a bit of serendipity to making these choices. Everyone had TR as the next "Beast Mode"....who could have predicted that he in fact would be "Least Mode" instead.
Steeler fans think they have a god given right to be good....but the fact is to a certain extent, they are just lucky. BR could have turned out like JP Losman instead of what he became.
I mean, look at this scouting report for Brady Quinn.....who some thought he could emulate that other Brady: Tom
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/419111
I mean, if that doesn't cause you to spew your coffee, what does?
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@douche-nozzle said:
Look, I understand that you guys can't conceive of anything but the quick fix or you wouldn't be drumming for the same crap that fails for your team every year. Drafting a stud QB to play in a FUBAR organization like the Browns has never worked and it never will. Why can't you see that by trading down out of the first round and get some quality talent at core positions for a couple years, coupled with allowing a coaching staff the time to gel, might be the only way the Browns can get out of the cellar? It's only been demonstrated countless times........but I know......you guys are the best fans and you know better
The point is, the Browns have not gotten that stud QB...even though they have tried. Had one of these guys turned out like we had hoped....the way BR turned out for you (instead of being the next Cade McNown) then things would be a lot different. Bad luck at drafting those QBs has been partially responsible for the instability. If Brady Quinn had actually been the next Tom Brady don't you think that Phil Savage may still be here?
And the other point here, my obtuse friend, is that very few if any here are advocating that the Browns go after another supposedly "stud" QB this year. And we certainly don't need to "trade down". We can, and should get "core players" at other positions at #12 and #19. They might even get a quality offensive skill player.....a Devante Parker/Maxx Williams. Or more help in the OL/DL/LB spots.
Have you actually been contemplating anything else that is said on here.....or are you too obsessed by the lint in your navel to look outside your own little world.
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Ban him. Keep vagitron.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Look, I understand that you guys can't conceive of anything but the quick fix or you wouldn't be drumming for the same crap that fails for your team every year. Drafting a stud QB to play in a FUBAR organization like the Browns has never worked and it never will. Why can't you see that by trading down out of the first round and get some quality talent at core positions for a couple years, coupled with allowing a coaching staff the time to gel, might be the only way the Browns can get out of the cellar? It's only been demonstrated countless times........but I know......you guys are the best fans and you know better
The point is, the Browns have not gotten that stud QB...even though they have tried. Had one of these guys turned out like we had hoped....the way BR turned out for you (instead of being the next Cade McNown) then things would be a lot different. Bad luck at drafting those QBs has been partially responsible for the instability. If Brady Quinn had actually been the next Tom Brady don't you think that Phil Savage may still be here?
And the other point here, my obtuse friend, is that very few if any here are advocating that the Browns go after another supposedly "stud" QB this year. And we certainly don't need to "trade down". We can, and should get "core players" at other positions at #12 and #19. They might even get a quality offensive skill player.....a Devante Parker/Maxx Williams. Or more help in the OL/DL/LB spots.
Have you actually been contemplating anything else that is said on here.....or are you too obsessed by the lint in your navel to look outside your own little world.
The point is, the Browns have not gotten that stud QB...even though they have tried. Had one of these guys turned out like we had hoped....the way BR turned out for you (instead of being the next Cade McNown) then things would be a lot different. Bad luck at drafting those QBs has been partially responsible for the instability. If Brady Quinn had actually been the next Tom Brady don't you think that Phil Savage may still be here?
And the other point here, my obtuse friend, is that very few if any here are advocating that the Browns go after another supposedly "stud" QB this year. And we certainly don't need to "trade down". We can, and should get "core players" at other positions at #12 and #19. They might even get a quality offensive skill player.....a Devante Parker/Maxx Williams. Or more help in the OL/DL/LB spots.
Have you actually been contemplating anything else that is said on here.....or are you too obsessed by the lint in your navel to look outside your own little world.
If this if that. If the Browns didn't stink they would be good. If they had better players they wouldn't lose so much. If Gipper would take his Browns goggles off he'd see his team has stunk for the last quarter century and the players on his team aren't as good as he thinks they are. Maybe the Browns have drafted some really good quarterbacks over the last 50 years, but they've had to play on crappy teams. Maybe if the Browns didn't ruin so many promising careers some of those top 10 picks would have panned out.
So the difference between the Steelers and the Browns is luck? Got it. I guess it's better to be lucky than good. But you keep telling everyone who will listen how much better your players are and the Steelers will keep winning more games than the Browns. This is the same story every single offseason. It gets worse after the draft when you guys start projecting how your picks have perfectly solved all that ills your team. Then the season starts and about a month later the posts about "being done with this team" start. It's rather funny and very predictable.
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The point is, the Browns have not gotten that stud QB...even though they have tried. Had one of these guys turned out like we had hoped....the way BR turned out for you (instead of being the next Cade McNown) then things would be a lot different. Bad luck at drafting those QBs has been partially responsible for the instability. If Brady Quinn had actually been the next Tom Brady don't you think that Phil Savage may still be here?
And the other point here, my obtuse friend, is that very few if any here are advocating that the Browns go after another supposedly "stud" QB this year. And we certainly don't need to "trade down". We can, and should get "core players" at other positions at #12 and #19. They might even get a quality offensive skill player.....a Devante Parker/Maxx Williams. Or more help in the OL/DL/LB spots.
Have you actually been contemplating anything else that is said on here.....or are you too obsessed by the lint in your navel to look outside your own little world.
If this if that. If the Browns didn't stink they would be good. If they had better players they wouldn't lose so much. If Gipper would take his Browns goggles off he'd see his team has stunk for the last quarter century and the players on his team aren't as good as he thinks they are. Maybe the Browns have drafted some really good quarterbacks over the last 50 years, but they've had to play on crappy teams. Maybe if the Browns didn't ruin so many promising careers some of those top 10 picks would have panned out.
So the difference between the Steelers and the Browns is luck? Got it. I guess it's better to be lucky than good. But you keep telling everyone who will listen how much better your players are and the Steelers will keep winning more games than the Browns. This is the same story every single offseason. It gets worse after the draft when you guys start projecting how your picks have perfectly solved all that ills your team. Then the season starts and about a month later the posts about "being done with this team" start. It's rather funny and very predictable.
If this if that. If the Browns didn't stink they would be good. If they had better players they wouldn't lose so much. If Gipper would take his Browns goggles off he'd see his team has stunk for the last quarter century and the players on his team aren't as good as he thinks they are. Maybe the Browns have drafted some really good quarterbacks over the last 50 years, but they've had to play on crappy teams. Maybe if the Browns didn't ruin so many promising careers some of those top 10 picks would have panned out.
So the difference between the Steelers and the Browns is luck? Got it. I guess it's better to be lucky than good. But you keep telling everyone who will listen how much better your players are and the Steelers will keep winning more games than the Browns. This is the same story every single offseason. It gets worse after the draft when you guys start projecting how your picks have perfectly solved all that ills your team. Then the season starts and about a month later the posts about "being done with this team" start. It's rather funny and very predictable.
Perfect summation. I also must say zombo or whomever changed your name (what was it before?) Knocked it out of the park with this one. I laugh my ass off every time I read trolling for dick.
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If this if that. If the Browns didn't stink they would be good. If they had better players they wouldn't lose so much. If Gipper would take his Browns goggles off he'd see his team has stunk for the last quarter century and the players on his team aren't as good as he thinks they are. Maybe the Browns have drafted some really good quarterbacks over the last 50 years, but they've had to play on crappy teams. Maybe if the Browns didn't ruin so many promising careers some of those top 10 picks would have panned out.
So the difference between the Steelers and the Browns is luck? Got it. I guess it's better to be lucky than good. But you keep telling everyone who will listen how much better your players are and the Steelers will keep winning more games than the Browns. This is the same story every single offseason. It gets worse after the draft when you guys start projecting how your picks have perfectly solved all that ills your team. Then the season starts and about a month later the posts about "being done with this team" start. It's rather funny and very predictable.
Perfect summation. I also must say zombo or whomever changed your name (what was it before?) Knocked it out of the park with this one. I laugh my ass off every time I read trolling for dick.
Perfect summation. I also must say zombo or whomever changed your name (what was it before?) Knocked it out of the park with this one. I laugh my ass off every time I read trolling for dick.
Pretty catchy isn't it?
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Pretty catchy isn't it?
You've gotta laugh when you read it. Its a good one. On point Browns board summary. (You were unbiased right? Your unchanged name)
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Pretty catchy isn't it?
By the way, when I first signed up here I was "Unbiased". I tried really hard to keep it civil but damn this is a tough crowd. I went away and didn't intend to come back but sometimes I feel like you need some backup to deal with these hellions.
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Pretty catchy isn't it?
By the way, when I first signed up here I was "Unbiased". I tried really hard to keep it civil but damn this is a tough crowd. I went away and didn't intend to come back but sometimes I feel like you need some backup to deal with these hellions.
By the way, when I first signed up here I was "Unbiased". I tried really hard to keep it civil but damn this is a tough crowd. I went away and didn't intend to come back but sometimes I feel like you need some backup to deal with these hellions.
Ha, I figured as much and I appreciate it. Strangely enough I like it here. I appreciate some of the better posters and I enjoy name calling the more pompous/clueless bunch. It is a tough crowd but its also enemy territory. They could perma ban me but they haven't and that's something I can appreciate. I do find it amusing that you haven't been here long but put down a perfect year to year summary of what happens on this board. It could by a psych study.
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By the way, when I first signed up here I was "Unbiased". I tried really hard to keep it civil but damn this is a tough crowd. I went away and didn't intend to come back but sometimes I feel like you need some backup to deal with these hellions.
Ha, I figured as much and I appreciate it. Strangely enough I like it here. I appreciate some of the better posters and I enjoy name calling the more pompous/clueless bunch. It is a tough crowd but its also enemy territory. They could perma ban me but they haven't and that's something I can appreciate. I do find it amusing that you haven't been here long but put down a perfect year to year summary of what happens on this board. It could by a psych study.
Ha, I figured as much and I appreciate it. Strangely enough I like it here. I appreciate some of the better posters and I enjoy name calling the more pompous/clueless bunch. It is a tough crowd but its also enemy territory. They could perma ban me but they haven't and that's something I can appreciate. I do find it amusing that you haven't been here long but put down a perfect year to year summary of what happens on this board. It could by a psych study.
Like I said before, I've been around for years but never posted. It's too negative. I live geographically equidistant from Cleveland, Buffalo and Pittsburgh, so I've been dealing with Browns fans my whole life. Erie is a football melting pot.
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Ha, I figured as much and I appreciate it. Strangely enough I like it here. I appreciate some of the better posters and I enjoy name calling the more pompous/clueless bunch. It is a tough crowd but its also enemy territory. They could perma ban me but they haven't and that's something I can appreciate. I do find it amusing that you haven't been here long but put down a perfect year to year summary of what happens on this board. It could by a psych study.
Like I said before, I've been around for years but never posted. It's too negative. I live geographically equidistant from Cleveland, Buffalo and Pittsburgh, so I've been dealing with Browns fans my whole life. Erie is a football melting pot.
Like I said before, I've been around for years but never posted. It's too negative. I live geographically equidistant from Cleveland, Buffalo and Pittsburgh, so I've been dealing with Browns fans my whole life. Erie is a football melting pot.
Ahh got ya. Yes, yes it is, I went to mercyhurst my freshman year. It was a pretty distinct mix of people from those exact areas.
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