Jonathan Paul Manziel
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when you want this team to win they lose, when you want them to lose to get a higher draft pick after a busted season, they win. Complete and utter faggots this team is composed of
Like we have progressed so much with the higher draft pics right kimchee breath?
Put your head in an oven, Sylvia. The team won. Enjoy the victory or bitch somewhere else.
now THAT is priceless.
i don't think even the 'haters' (like myself) hate manziel. i just want him to prove to me, the media and to the world why he was worthy of our 1st round pick before he says he'll 'break the league (with his talent)' running around like a fool and doing the money sign as he gets run over by a linebacker.
wasn't able to see the game but met with a client where red zone was on and even THEY shied away from showing any manziel 'action'. i guess they've been burned too many times as well. but this club where i was at is notorious for being a 'legends' type sports club where their patrons know more about football than walter knows about sucking eggs. the first thing out of the old bartender's mouth seeing me walk in when the browns were already up by 7 was " johnny. the kids a millionaire. he needs rehab and a bodyguard. i'd tell my bodyguard to knock me out if went out and started to fuck up!" etc. etc. to which i said "maybe he should just stay home in his mansion and stay out of the spotlight"(which i've said from day one).
glad the browns won. maybe manziel IS the guy? who knows? but in sports i'll take young over old any day. showing improvement is another check on the list. but to say right this second that he is the franchise QB of the browns going forward is a stretch. BUT continue to show improvement against the tougher opponents and he WILL earn trust and respect from even his most hating of the haters.
but his performance wasn't the biggest thing to happen in our division yesterday.....
mccarron sucks bags. how can anyone (FO) trust anything that comes out of alabama anymore?
i don't think even the 'haters' (like myself) hate manziel. i just want him to prove to me, the media and to the world why he was worthy of our 1st round pick before he says he'll 'break the league (with his talent)' running around like a fool and doing the money sign as he gets run over by a linebacker.
mccarron sucks bags. how can anyone (FO) trust anything that comes out of alabama anymore?
1. That's my kind of "hate".
2. Leave my 2014 dark-horse alone.
The most impressive aspect of Manziel's performance Sunday to me was that he was PREPARED.
Do you realize how low that bar is for an NFL starter?
Looked to me like he would scrunch his body up at the end of every throw in anticipation of a hit. I assume that has an effect on follow through of the throw. Other than that, pretty nice performance.
Early everything was fine... bounced on toes in pocket and stepped into throws. But sometime in Q2 he began stepping "in the bucket" and anticipating pressure that sometimes was not there.
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Manziel has improved dramatically IN SPITE of daddy Pettine.
Manziel has improved dramatically IN SPITE of daddy Pettine.
A guy with a trump avatar being bombastic...credibility, check.
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well good.....sounds like McCown is rubbing off on him.....now we have 2 QB's with no quit in them.....
Id say things are looking up for that group, compared to 2 or even 1 year ago.....
I agree with you. I want to see Johnny starting next year, with McCown backing him up. If we have the same coach and OC, that's a bit of continuity. I'm not saying we don't draft a QB, but we don't do it early. We also have Shaw coming back, who is a hard worker. I'm not getting out of my head with Johnny after one game, but I know I want to see more. And I'm not going to slam the guy if he struggles on the road at Seattle, on the road at K.C., or against the Steelers. Those are tough games, and I don't expect perfection. That being said, I do want to see improvement. Don't make that awful interception, don't take that awful sack against a 3 man rush, and run the ball a bit more.
What was that? Yep...I actually want him to run the ball MORE. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE that Manziel is making progress in the pocket and from under center, it's quite impressive. However, I feel like Manziel left some HUGE yards on the table yesterday. I know that running is a great way to get yourself hurt, but there were some running lanes that could've netted some big gains, and allowed him to slide. It's a very difficult line to straddle...make plays from the pocket...run the ball. It's a delicate balance, and he'll figure it out the more he plays, and the more he watches his film. His mouth will gape when he sees some of the running room. He did run for at least one really nice first down, but once he figures out when to run, and when to pass....LOOK OUT. Super mobile quarterbacks are especially dangerous in the red zone, and this is an area where we notoriously struggle. Once Johnny figures this part of the game out, defenses will be on their heels. We could run QB draws, bootlegs, or whatever.
I agree with you. I want to see Johnny starting next year, with McCown backing him up.
I want to see our franchise QB on the roster. If that turns out to be JM... great. If not, great...
In either case, if we have our future franchise QB in pocket, then it does not matter who starts.
Angry Johnny Manziel smacks himself in the head with a tablet
Yup... nothing like extending a lack of impulse control to the field to say, "I'm your future franchise."
Sorry, but that was out of control. JM was lucky he did not split his forehead open*. JM was lucky he had McC next to him to explain that there were 11 guys in white jerseys out there trying to hurt him.... he did not need to help them.
*Edit: Did just see a reply and showed he had a cap on... and the stitched logo did provide a little padding.
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That running game is more effective when Johnny plays....Interesting, hunh? The Johnny haters won't like to hear this, but I don't think it's just coincidence. That kid MAKES things happen!
Mike
You and mud are getting too damned optimistic. LOL!
You and mud are getting too damned optimistic. LOL!
Hahaha.....I can fix that.....see below....
Yeah like Ex-QB's Staubach and Tarkenton.
But seriously he stood in nearly every single snap (other than the quick hitters) going through his progressions. Some QB's have that internal clock then go off and throw the ball away. But some have that same clock go off and look for play extension while still looking for receivers. That is what we have in JM. At some point he will add the "throwaway" to his repertoire as the 3rd and last option. That day is not far off in my opinion. When JM starts beating a bad play into his head with his tablet, it usually sticks.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
I gotta say there were some very very scary runs too......in fact, twice(2 times) he ran 30 freaking yards the wrong way.....and almost got crushed both times...plus also had a very near safety.....so, he really really needs to play smarter and realize his feet can hurt us as much as they can help....
So, he needs to avoid canceling the good runs with bad runs......as good as he runs, McCown still averages more per rush....and Id say the difference is that he ....1) dumps the ball faster and more often....and 2) avoids those backwards runs.....
BUT....I see where this is going and Im down.....I think if Johnny keeps getting better(and I believe he will), then he can be the guy...
A couple more games, on par with this, probably buys him a starting job......somewhere....and hopefully its here, if he keeps it together
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I agree with you. I want to see Johnny starting next year, with McCown backing him up.
I want to see our franchise QB on the roster. If that turns out to be JM... great. If not, great...
In either case, if we have our future franchise QB in pocket, then it does not matter who starts.
Angry Johnny Manziel smacks himself in the head with a tablet
Yup... nothing like extending a lack of impulse control to the field to say, "I'm your future franchise."
Sorry, but that was out of control. JM was lucky he did not split his forehead open*. JM was lucky he had McC next to him to explain that there were 11 guys in white jerseys out there trying to hurt him.... he did not need to help them.
*Edit: Did just see a reply and showed he had a cap on... and the stitched logo did provide a little padding.
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And what percentage, exactly, ARE from outside of the pocket for those?
10%.
Scrambling cannot be the only useful part of a QB's game.
You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.
Lol says the guy that basically told Johnny manziel's cock out of his mouth long enough to tell us that he's the god future of Cleveland. and for basically doing nothing but beating the equivalent of the Browns reflection in the mirror.
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Well, that was Hoyer gagging it up....and JFF only laughed in response to what he said.....so, why the shit for Johnny and none for Hoyers?
And Kyle Shanahan? Boy he is doing a stellar job. He has Matt Ryan so fucked up he can't think straight.
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Well, that was Hoyer gagging it up....and JFF only laughed in response to what he said.....so, why the shit for Johnny and none for Hoyers?
And Kyle Shanahan? Boy he is doing a stellar job. He has Matt Ryan so fucked up he can't think straight.
Well, that was Hoyer gagging it up....and JFF only laughed in response to what he said.....so, why the shit for Johnny and none for Hoyers?
And Kyle Shanahan? Boy he is doing a stellar job. He has Matt Ryan so fucked up he can't think straight.
I faulted all of them last season, not just Manziel. You shouldn't be acting like that on the sidelines when your team is getting whipped 23-0.
Contrast that with what I am saying now. I liked how Manziel handled himself yesterday as a leader on the field and when I saw him on the sidelines you could tell his head was totally in the game and he was focused on winning. The abuse he gave the tablet was some good anger and showed the desire he has to improve and win. I am all for it. Tablets aren't that expensive...at least he can afford it. Out of control anger is not good. Controlled anger can be very good.
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Well, that was Hoyer gagging it up....and JFF only laughed in response to what he said.....so, why the shit for Johnny and none for Hoyers?
And Kyle Shanahan? Boy he is doing a stellar job. He has Matt Ryan so fucked up he can't think straight.
Well, that was Hoyer gagging it up....and JFF only laughed in response to what he said.....so, why the shit for Johnny and none for Hoyers?
And Kyle Shanahan? Boy he is doing a stellar job. He has Matt Ryan so fucked up he can't think straight.
And it took him just about the same amount of time as it did with Hoyer.
PS-and even Pet thought it was a good thing JM was upset enough with himself over "a bonehead play" that he gave himself a few whacks.
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You and mud are getting too damned optimistic. LOL!
Hahaha.....I can fix that.....see below....
Yeah like Ex-QB's Staubach and Tarkenton.
But seriously he stood in nearly every single snap (other than the quick hitters) going through his progressions. Some QB's have that internal clock then go off and throw the ball away. But some have that same clock go off and look for play extension while still looking for receivers. That is what we have in JM. At some point he will add the "throwaway" to his repertoire as the 3rd and last option. That day is not far off in my opinion. When JM starts beating a bad play into his head with his tablet, it usually sticks.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
I gotta say there were some very very scary runs too......in fact, twice(2 times) he ran 30 freaking yards the wrong way.....and almost got crushed both times...plus also had a very near safety.....so, he really really needs to play smarter and realize his feet can hurt us as much as they can help....
So, he needs to avoid canceling the good runs with bad runs......as good as he runs, McCown still averages more per rush....and Id say the difference is that he ....1) dumps the ball faster and more often....and 2) avoids those backwards runs.....
BUT....I see where this is going and Im down.....I think if Johnny keeps getting better(and I believe he will), then he can be the guy...
A couple more games, on par with this, probably buys him a starting job......somewhere....and hopefully its here, if he keeps it together
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
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The only issue is QB rating can't be used as an 'end all be all' tool. While you're at it, McCown's body of work has been over the course of more games than Manziel while Johnny starts have (coincidentally enough) aligned with playing the two teams slated to pick ahead of us in the draft.
In golf we say the ball has a great lie.
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
Well, a 89 qbr, and a ESPN total qbr of 57 after a few games means he doesn't totally suck-yet. Considering Barnidge and Benjamin are his only legit targets, and except for SF no running game, he's not doing too bad.
Just can the party circuit Johnny.
PS welcome to the Asylum.
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Yup.. saved by the logo...
Point is that there's a whole lot of higher ground between inappropriate clowning and self-flagellation...
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Yup.. saved by the logo...
Point is that there's a whole lot of higher ground between inappropriate clowning and self-flagellation...
Yup.. saved by the logo...
Point is that there's a whole lot of higher ground between inappropriate clowning and self-flagellation...
Dude, Tour. You are above this lame arse criticism. Come on man. Even Pett didn't care.
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On the radio, Bernie Kosar defended Manziel, he joked that it just
shows genuine passion.
He said back in the day, if he could have had some big computer monitors
on the sideline, he'd have gone through about 30 of them.
and, it shows he is intense, and has the fire and wants to win.I was against
drafting JM, but the kid can play, and if he can keep it together off the field,
and keep growing as qb....
I'm all in. It hasn't been easy for Browns qb's in the past, with an oline that doesn't function
well at all, all the time Now, the oline is solid, but the offense needs a blue chip, elite star WR.
That is taller than 6'.
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance.
No, let's not....because I don't think it is all that accurate.
If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
I think what there is room for is tempered optimism. JFF has played well against the bums of the league: Titan/49ers (The Browns really are a better team than all these). Against a good team, say, the Steelers....he got a lot of yards but few points...and scoring points is what it is all about.
But I do think the next 3 games could be very telling.
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
Right....not putting too much stock in this argument, because passer rating is one small part or the equation.....and picking ONE game and using that as your argument doesnt work.....hell I could pick his worst game and then debate that he's the worst ever too(cause he DID have the worst game ever for a Browns QB).....
BTW....Gerome Harrison has the Browns all time best ever rushing game for a Browns running back.....whats that tell ya....cause I can tell ya it doesnt mean he's the best Browns RB ever....
Body of work is the only way to rate a player.....and Johnnys body of work is limited and divided....
Part I was terrible.......Part II is showing promise........Part III is yet to come.....
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