Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Well Big Ben has antonio brown and martavius bryant and threw for barely over 200 yards and two picks.
Rodgers threw for 151 yards and a pick.
lets see how he does against the steelers before we write him off for life.
Jesus fucking Christ....Raplessburger and Rogers have 3 Super Bowl rings and numerous playoff wins between them. Little elf Johnny has 2 NFL wins under his belt. Anyone who tries to compare him to the NFL's best needs to have their fucking head examined.
Jesus fucking Christ....Raplessburger and Rogers have 3 Super Bowl rings and numerous playoff wins between them. Little elf Johnny has 2 NFL wins under his belt. Anyone who tries to compare him to the NFL's best needs to have their fucking head examined.
ALL QBs have bad games. it doesn't matter who the fuck you are if you're a QB. But what i have a problem with is everyone being so quick to jump the gun and write him off because he has ONE BAD GAME.
give him a fucking chance.
So it's alright for some QBs to have a bad game and understandable, but for johnny, fuck him, he needs to go, right?
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Jesus fucking Christ....Raplessburger and Rogers have 3 Super Bowl rings and numerous playoff wins between them. Little elf Johnny has 2 NFL wins under his belt. Anyone who tries to compare him to the NFL's best needs to have their fucking head examined.
ALL QBs have bad games. it doesn't matter who the fuck you are if you're a QB. But what i have a problem with is everyone being so quick to jump the gun and write him off because he has ONE BAD GAME.
give him a fucking chance.
So it's alright for some QBs to have a bad game and understandable, but for johnny, fuck him, he needs to go, right?
ALL QBs have bad games. it doesn't matter who the fuck you are if you're a QB. But what i have a problem with is everyone being so quick to jump the gun and write him off because he has ONE BAD GAME.
give him a fucking chance.
So it's alright for some QBs to have a bad game and understandable, but for johnny, fuck him, he needs to go, right?
Has he had more than 1 good game yet?
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I think the issue is more that he hasn't even had games that have risen to the level of RG3. In his short career he's had 3 good games. He's thrown multiple TDs once. As a starter he is 2-6 with wins over Tennessee and San Francisco. When you look at him play the only thing that makes him look like a viable NFL QB is he can run and look how well that has played out over the years. He doesn't go through his progressions well. His footwork is atrocious and he rarely steps into throws to deliver them accurately. If he was QB'ing the Titans he'd be a joke on this board. Now add to all that the off the field distractions and as a fan you have to stop and say, "why on earth are we still talking about this". With the exception of a Heisman trophy just draft Baker Mayfield in 2 years and you've got the same guy. Who's stumping for Mayfield 2017....that's right no one.
Using the record as a metric from an awful team isn't reasonable at all to put on Manziel. Peyton Manning's rookie year he went 1-15 and that turned out okay I'd say.
I'm sick as hell right now so I don't wanna spend all day typing, but everything you're saying isn't inherently wrong. I see where he's done all that right though, and has to show he can put it together. The only way a QB has a chance to do that is with rapport with his WRs, time and experience. If Mike Pettine deserves more time than Johnny Manziel does too. You can't have it both ways in that thinking.
Using the record as a metric from an awful team isn't reasonable at all to put on Manziel. Peyton Manning's rookie year he went 1-15 and that turned out okay I'd say.
I'm sick as hell right now so I don't wanna spend all day typing, but everything you're saying isn't inherently wrong. I see where he's done all that right though, and has to show he can put it together. The only way a QB has a chance to do that is with rapport with his WRs, time and experience. If Mike Pettine deserves more time than Johnny Manziel does too. You can't have it both ways in that thinking.
Mike Pettine doesn't come with everything else. If you put stats side by side Mccown has blown Manziel out of the water but yet when the team was struggling the moron fans are chanting "we want Johnny". It will always happen. He provides a spark but that's it there is no substance.
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Jesus fucking Christ....Raplessburger and Rogers have 3 Super Bowl rings and numerous playoff wins between them. Little elf Johnny has 2 NFL wins under his belt. Anyone who tries to compare him to the NFL's best needs to have their fucking head examined.
ALL QBs have bad games. it doesn't matter who the fuck you are if you're a QB. But what i have a problem with is everyone being so quick to jump the gun and write him off because he has ONE BAD GAME.
give him a fucking chance.
So it's alright for some QBs to have a bad game and understandable, but for johnny, fuck him, he needs to go, right?
ALL QBs have bad games. it doesn't matter who the fuck you are if you're a QB. But what i have a problem with is everyone being so quick to jump the gun and write him off because he has ONE BAD GAME.
give him a fucking chance.
So it's alright for some QBs to have a bad game and understandable, but for johnny, fuck him, he needs to go, right?
Completion % 33rd in the league
Rating 31st in the league
YPG 35th in the league
YPA 29th in the league
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This is a non story .......................................................................................................................................FOR ANYONE WHO DIDN'T SPEND 11 WEEKS IN REHAB.
Now go ahead and hit me with the "we don't know why he was there bullshit". IF he were in control as some would suggest he wouldn't continue to post the selfie vids knowing they jeopardize his career.
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That song is what sucks. Rap music is the devil!
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the part about this argument I find absolutely hilarious is all you mofos talk about patience. I read crap over and over about how pettine and insert player deserve more time and we need consistency to win.Johnny had a bad game of football throwing it, but he's played 6 god damn games. Just face it, people here don't like the dude and use any reason possible to talk him down.
You know what I saw? A young QB who had a bad game-oh no! I don't think any other QB in the history of the world had a bad completion game. I'm not even on the bandwagon fully yet, but why does Johnny not deserve a chance to develop but insert player or dumb fuck Pettine does?
the part about this argument I find absolutely hilarious is all you mofos talk about patience. I read crap over and over about how pettine and insert player deserve more time and we need consistency to win.Johnny had a bad game of football throwing it, but he's played 6 god damn games. Just face it, people here don't like the dude and use any reason possible to talk him down.
You know what I saw? A young QB who had a bad game-oh no! I don't think any other QB in the history of the world had a bad completion game. I'm not even on the bandwagon fully yet, but why does Johnny not deserve a chance to develop but insert player or dumb fuck Pettine does?
^^^Exactly!
Mike
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I watched the video a couple of times and not once did I see him drink anything.
On a side note what was that white powder stuff on the pool table?
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i've bashed johnny pretty good in the past BUT unless there is some serious shit going on, this is nothing.
i know his passing game yesterday sucked ass but when he threw his helmet in disgust after losing a meaningless game...............well, i'll give him a pass for having a bunch of tools for friends.
he needs to enforce the jeter rules. once you come in the door you put all mobile devices in a basket. on your way out you get them back.......along with a gift basket of cookies.
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the part about this argument I find absolutely hilarious is all you mofos talk about patience. I read crap over and over about how pettine and insert player deserve more time and we need consistency to win.Johnny had a bad game of football throwing it, but he's played 6 god damn games. Just face it, people here don't like the dude and use any reason possible to talk him down.
You know what I saw? A young QB who had a bad game-oh no! I don't think any other QB in the history of the world had a bad completion game. I'm not even on the bandwagon fully yet, but why does Johnny not deserve a chance to develop but insert player or dumb fuck Pettine does?
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the part about this argument I find absolutely hilarious is all you mofos talk about patience. I read crap over and over about how pettine and insert player deserve more time and we need consistency to win.Johnny had a bad game of football throwing it, but he's played 6 god damn games. Just face it, people here don't like the dude and use any reason possible to talk him down.
You know what I saw? A young QB who had a bad game-oh no! I don't think any other QB in the history of the world had a bad completion game. I'm not even on the bandwagon fully yet, but why does Johnny not deserve a chance to develop but insert player or dumb fuck Pettine does?
the part about this argument I find absolutely hilarious is all you mofos talk about patience. I read crap over and over about how pettine and insert player deserve more time and we need consistency to win.Johnny had a bad game of football throwing it, but he's played 6 god damn games. Just face it, people here don't like the dude and use any reason possible to talk him down.
You know what I saw? A young QB who had a bad game-oh no! I don't think any other QB in the history of the world had a bad completion game. I'm not even on the bandwagon fully yet, but why does Johnny not deserve a chance to develop but insert player or dumb fuck Pettine does?
and vice versa.
rodgers got beat by a team that will likely represent the nfc in the super bowl this year. the steelers aren't that great no matter what the talking heads say. the browns had chances to win a game against a playoff bound team, maybe spoil their trip. and bad QB play was one of the reasons the upset didn't happen.
i like his (manziel's) gumption but we'd be crucifying ANYONE with a completion percentage like that yesterday....ANYONE.
fans are fickle and i'm sure even the high and mighty on here slip up and will break out the torches and pitch forks depending on who their particular likes and dislikes are.
if i'm pitching a case for pettine (and even farmer....let them ride out their contract) then i have to say the same for manziel. another year? what the hell. it's not like we haven't been waiting how long?
next year (IMO if i had it my way) would be the make or break year of the farmer, pettine and manziel experiment in cleveland.
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Yeah real QB's are always perfect. Rogers sacked 8 times, two fumbles he lost returned for TD's and pick off in the end zone at the end of the first half that might have gotten them in the game. Yep, today in the NFL with a Superbowl winner having an off day. Get real.
Aaron Rogers?
That's your comparison???
C'mon man.
This is your saddest moment.
Take some time off and think about what you just said.
We needed an NFL QB today in the 4th Q and we got a little boy.
If you want to compare Johnny's stats to Rogers, we can do that ... but ... you might wanna just take a few days off.
Z
Zombo said:
Aaron Rogers?
That's your comparison???
C'mon man.
This is your saddest moment.
Take some time off and think about what you just said.
We needed an NFL QB today in the 4th Q and we got a little boy.
If you want to compare Johnny's stats to Rogers, we can do that ... but ... you might wanna just take a few days off.
Z
Z, I was out for a few days visiting friends & family, and only had access to crappy hotel computers that wouldn't let me quote. Hi, I'M BACK.
Regarding Rodgers- I saw those highlights last night- and it's a truism- a great NFL defense can make even the very best look like crap. I've said a couple times in the past I vividly remember a game where Lawrence Taylor & the Giants made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow in a playoff game. Rodgers DID look like crap last night, arguably worse than Manziel. Sacked 8 times with 3 fumbles.Zombo said:
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
Yeah, that game was fucking crucial. Our playoff hopes were on the line and Manziel definitely didn't have the flu, nor was he missing his top three WR's or two starting guards.
You see John Krasinski on the cover of Men's Health? We should take a flier on him too, prototypical QB size there.
He's your tiny NFL wannabe QB too. For the foreseeable future. But if you want to spank it to tall, built guys, I'm sure there's a website for you.
Tim beat me to it, Z the only thing that mattered in that game is the Browns keeping the #1 overall draft pick in play. Did Johnny play like crap? Sure did. I think it was posted in the thread he was sick. If you bothered to listen to Manziel's post game presser- it's damn obvious he was. OK, excuses aside- bad game.
I'm not ready to start the quarterback crap game yet again in 2016, sorry. Since 2007, There have been 7 true stud qbs drafted- Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Newton, (Dalton*), Luck, and (luck out) Wilson. Only three of those went #1, Luck was a once in a generational talent everyone and their uncle knew was going to be great- he might be heading down the Tim Couch premature injury exit though.
So it seems- losing to the Squealers, we're going to have at least the #2 pick- (even beating the boogers- we'll draft no worse that fifth) it's Browns bad karma there really isn't an Andrew Luck staring us in the face. Don't forget- drafting a bum qb high (Jafattus Russell, Joey Harrington, RG Knee) will set the Browns back yet another three seasons.
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Anybody watching AJ McCarron against Denver's #1 rated defense, this is why you draft football players, and not combine boy wonders - workout warriors - who look good in shorts and a tank top. Pick guys that have proven it on film, and done so against other top competition.
"AJ's too slow, AJ's arm is too weak, AJ didn't jump high enough in the 'how high can a guy in shorts jump and swipe the little plastic thingies' drill".........
I'm so sick and tired of the Browns missing on football players because they fall in love with the latest "draft stock riser" who has long arms and can run around little plastic cones really, really, really fast.
PICK GODDAMN FOOTBALL PLAYERS THIS TIME.
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But the "this guy sucks, let's get this this guy instead" mindset has literally NEVER worked for us.
It was a bad performance, but it's not the end of the world.
i guess this only goes for players you like?
what about coaches?
i guess this only goes for players you like?
what about coaches?
Sure, it goes for them too.
It's why I was on Pettine's side until we lost 16 of 19. How about we give Manziel 19 starts and then let's see. Same goes for Gilbert, Erving, Shelton, and everyone else.
But no, that's too hard of a concept for a Browns fan to understand. When a player is good, he's the best in the world. When he's bad, get rid of him. All of you are hilarious.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Anybody watching AJ McCarron against Denver's #1 rated defense, this is why you draft football players, and not combine boy wonders - workout warriors - who look good in shorts and a tank top. Pick guys that have proven it on film, and done so against other top competition.
"AJ's too slow, AJ's arm is too weak, AJ didn't jump high enough in the 'how high can a guy in shorts jump and swipe the little plastic thingies' drill".........
I'm so sick and tired of the Browns missing on football players because they fall in love with the latest "draft stock riser" who has long arms and can run around little plastic cones really, really, really fast.
PICK GODDAMN FOOTBALL PLAYERS THIS TIME.
Anybody watching AJ McCarron against Denver's #1 rated defense, this is why you draft football players, and not combine boy wonders - workout warriors - who look good in shorts and a tank top. Pick guys that have proven it on film, and done so against other top competition.
"AJ's too slow, AJ's arm is too weak, AJ didn't jump high enough in the 'how high can a guy in shorts jump and swipe the little plastic thingies' drill".........
I'm so sick and tired of the Browns missing on football players because they fall in love with the latest "draft stock riser" who has long arms and can run around little plastic cones really, really, really fast.
PICK GODDAMN FOOTBALL PLAYERS THIS TIME.
It's not that McCarron has a plethora of offensive playmakers.
No, definitely not that. It's because he's a "football player".
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Zombo said:
Aaron Rogers?
That's your comparison???
C'mon man.
This is your saddest moment.
Take some time off and think about what you just said.
We needed an NFL QB today in the 4th Q and we got a little boy.
If you want to compare Johnny's stats to Rogers, we can do that ... but ... you might wanna just take a few days off.
Z
Z, I was out for a few days visiting friends & family, and only had access to crappy hotel computers that wouldn't let me quote. Hi, I'M BACK.
Regarding Rodgers- I saw those highlights last night- and it's a truism- a great NFL defense can make even the very best look like crap. I've said a couple times in the past I vividly remember a game where Lawrence Taylor & the Giants made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow in a playoff game. Rodgers DID look like crap last night, arguably worse than Manziel. Sacked 8 times with 3 fumbles.Zombo said:
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
Yeah, that game was fucking crucial. Our playoff hopes were on the line and Manziel definitely didn't have the flu, nor was he missing his top three WR's or two starting guards.
You see John Krasinski on the cover of Men's Health? We should take a flier on him too, prototypical QB size there.
He's your tiny NFL wannabe QB too. For the foreseeable future. But if you want to spank it to tall, built guys, I'm sure there's a website for you.
Tim beat me to it, Z the only thing that mattered in that game is the Browns keeping the #1 overall draft pick in play. Did Johnny play like crap? Sure did. I think it was posted in the thread he was sick. If you bothered to listen to Manziel's post game presser- it's damn obvious he was. OK, excuses aside- bad game.
I'm not ready to start the quarterback crap game yet again in 2016, sorry. Since 2007, There have been 7 true stud qbs drafted- Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Newton, (Dalton*), Luck, and (luck out) Wilson. Only three of those went #1, Luck was a once in a generational talent everyone and their uncle knew was going to be great- he might be heading down the Tim Couch premature injury exit though.
So it seems- losing to the Squealers, we're going to have at least the #2 pick- (even beating the boogers- we'll draft no worse that fifth) it's Browns bad karma there really isn't an Andrew Luck staring us in the face. Don't forget- drafting a bum qb high (Jafattus Russell, Joey Harrington, RG Knee) will set the Browns back yet another three seasons.
Z, I was out for a few days visiting friends & family, and only had access to crappy hotel computers that wouldn't let me quote. Hi, I'M BACK.
Regarding Rodgers- I saw those highlights last night- and it's a truism- a great NFL defense can make even the very best look like crap. I've said a couple times in the past I vividly remember a game where Lawrence Taylor & the Giants made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow in a playoff game. Rodgers DID look like crap last night, arguably worse than Manziel. Sacked 8 times with 3 fumbles.Tim beat me to it, Z the only thing that mattered in that game is the Browns keeping the #1 overall draft pick in play. Did Johnny play like crap? Sure did. I think it was posted in the thread he was sick. If you bothered to listen to Manziel's post game presser- it's damn obvious he was. OK, excuses aside- bad game.
I'm not ready to start the quarterback crap game yet again in 2016, sorry. Since 2007, There have been 7 true stud qbs drafted- Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Newton, (Dalton*), Luck, and (luck out) Wilson. Only three of those went #1, Luck was a once in a generational talent everyone and their uncle knew was going to be great- he might be heading down the Tim Couch premature injury exit though.
So it seems- losing to the Squealers, we're going to have at least the #2 pick- (even beating the boogers- we'll draft no worse that fifth) it's Browns bad karma there really isn't an Andrew Luck staring us in the face. Don't forget- drafting a bum qb high (Jafattus Russell, Joey Harrington, RG Knee) will set the Browns back yet another three seasons.
I don't get guys that are OK with losing.
I don't understand guys that want to burn more years on Johnny Manziel.
They game "mattered" not because we were in some playoff chase ... DUH ... it mattered to Manziel because he is three games into a four game audition and he just put on a horrible display of passing in a game in which the Browns could have beaten a team that was fighting for a playoff spot in their own home in late December.
That loss is squarely on manziel, and that's not good for him. It's not good for us. And i think the game kinda mattered to the Chiefs too.
As for the flu ... when this video of him drinking, acting like an idiot and inexpicably allowing himself to be video taped in assmode one more happen? Friday? Thursday night? And then he's too sick to throw a ball on Sunday? Please.
Zombo
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Anybody watching AJ McCarron against Denver's #1 rated defense, this is why you draft football players, and not combine boy wonders - workout warriors - who look good in shorts and a tank top. Pick guys that have proven it on film, and done so against other top competition.
"AJ's too slow, AJ's arm is too weak, AJ didn't jump high enough in the 'how high can a guy in shorts jump and swipe the little plastic thingies' drill".........
I'm so sick and tired of the Browns missing on football players because they fall in love with the latest "draft stock riser" who has long arms and can run around little plastic cones really, really, really fast.
PICK GODDAMN FOOTBALL PLAYERS THIS TIME.
It's not that McCarron has a plethora of offensive playmakers.
No, definitely not that. It's because he's a "football player".
It's not that McCarron has a plethora of offensive playmakers.
No, definitely not that. It's because he's a "football player".
It doesn't hurt for sure, but if you can't see it, then you're even stupider than I thought........ Pretty tough to do, but if anyone can do it, it's you.
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Z, I was out for a few days visiting friends & family, and only had access to crappy hotel computers that wouldn't let me quote. Hi, I'M BACK.
Regarding Rodgers- I saw those highlights last night- and it's a truism- a great NFL defense can make even the very best look like crap. I've said a couple times in the past I vividly remember a game where Lawrence Taylor & the Giants made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow in a playoff game. Rodgers DID look like crap last night, arguably worse than Manziel. Sacked 8 times with 3 fumbles.Tim beat me to it, Z the only thing that mattered in that game is the Browns keeping the #1 overall draft pick in play. Did Johnny play like crap? Sure did. I think it was posted in the thread he was sick. If you bothered to listen to Manziel's post game presser- it's damn obvious he was. OK, excuses aside- bad game.
I'm not ready to start the quarterback crap game yet again in 2016, sorry. Since 2007, There have been 7 true stud qbs drafted- Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Newton, (Dalton*), Luck, and (luck out) Wilson. Only three of those went #1, Luck was a once in a generational talent everyone and their uncle knew was going to be great- he might be heading down the Tim Couch premature injury exit though.
So it seems- losing to the Squealers, we're going to have at least the #2 pick- (even beating the boogers- we'll draft no worse that fifth) it's Browns bad karma there really isn't an Andrew Luck staring us in the face. Don't forget- drafting a bum qb high (Jafattus Russell, Joey Harrington, RG Knee) will set the Browns back yet another three seasons.
I don't get guys that are OK with losing.
I don't understand guys that want to burn more years on Johnny Manziel.
They game "mattered" not because we were in some playoff chase ... DUH ... it mattered to Manziel because he is three games into a four game audition and he just put on a horrible display of passing in a game in which the Browns could have beaten a team that was fighting for a playoff spot in their own home in late December.
That loss is squarely on manziel, and that's not good for him. It's not good for us. And i think the game kinda mattered to the Chiefs too.
As for the flu ... when this video of him drinking, acting like an idiot and inexpicably allowing himself to be video taped in assmode one more happen? Friday? Thursday night? And then he's too sick to throw a ball on Sunday? Please.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I don't understand guys that want to burn more years on Johnny Manziel.
Zombo
Like these guys?
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/12/cleveland_browns_veterans_go_t.html
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i guess this only goes for players you like?
what about coaches?
Sure, it goes for them too.
It's why I was on Pettine's side until we lost 16 of 19. How about we give Manziel 19 starts and then let's see. Same goes for Gilbert, Erving, Shelton, and everyone else.
But no, that's too hard of a concept for a Browns fan to understand. When a player is good, he's the best in the world. When he's bad, get rid of him. All of you are hilarious.
All of you are hilarious.
all of US??
i guess you aren't one of US (if you were.....ever)? or are you above US?
like i said in another post i'll give them all until the end of next year. problem is with manziel is he might not beat out an old man for the starting job.
that must hurt cuz we all know you hate old men, especially when they take jobs away from lazy nudnicks like you.
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