Todd Marinovich back in football
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Blanda played as a kicker and QB when the NFL had little guys, he'd get destroyed today.
Paige was a rare rubber armed freak!
Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43
Zombo
Just to complete the circle Olson and two other guys weighed 270# on the 1975 Rams. Blanda and other skilled players were getting hit by smaller dudes back then. It's strange when you go back in time and find out how your memory can play tricks on you....the steel curtain and fearsome foursome weren't really that big afterall.Zombo said:
Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43
Zombo
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1975_roster.htm
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Maybe if this was about Brett favre, or even bernie but Marinovich oh my
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This is a joke , right?
Not yet but it will be. He was arrested again last August. Apparently practicing his Naked Bootleg in the neighbor's back yard. He must have gone through every substance known. He is trying to numb some pain. There are some real monstrosities out there serving as sports parents, pro tennis parents can be pretty bad, but Marinovich's father takes the cake. I would describe what he did as a cross between the Pat Morita character in The Karate Kid and a Nazi breeding experiment.
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Just to complete the circle Olson and two other guys weighed 270# on the 1975 Rams. Blanda and other skilled players were getting hit by smaller dudes back then. It's strange when you go back in time and find out how your memory can play tricks on you....the steel curtain and fearsome foursome weren't really that big afterall.Zombo said:
Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43
Zombo
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1975_roster.htm
Just to complete the circle Olson and two other guys weighed 270# on the 1975 Rams. Blanda and other skilled players were getting hit by smaller dudes back then. It's strange when you go back in time and find out how your memory can play tricks on you....the steel curtain and fearsome foursome weren't really that big afterall.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1975_roster.htm
I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs.
DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271
Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s.
As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL.
So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions.
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1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less.
2017 Browns DEs: Garrett 271. Emmanuel Ogbah 269 lbs.
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1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less.Zombo said:
Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43
Zombo
NOTE: NOT THE ROSTER I WANTED BUT CLOSE:
http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20141227/NEWS/141229705
1974 SB CHAMP STEELERS Joe Green 6' 4" 275# all the rest weigh less some much less. NO 300# dudes back then.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1974_roster.htm
Some of those dudes would have trouble making a 2017 roster. Different game now, even NCAA rosters are fast strong and B-I-G.
1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less.
NOTE: NOT THE ROSTER I WANTED BUT CLOSE:
http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20141227/NEWS/141229705
1974 SB CHAMP STEELERS Joe Green 6' 4" 275# all the rest weigh less some much less. NO 300# dudes back then.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1974_roster.htm
Some of those dudes would have trouble making a 2017 roster. Different game now, even NCAA rosters are fast strong and B-I-G.
The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger.
Z
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1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less.
NOTE: NOT THE ROSTER I WANTED BUT CLOSE:
http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20141227/NEWS/141229705
1974 SB CHAMP STEELERS Joe Green 6' 4" 275# all the rest weigh less some much less. NO 300# dudes back then.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1974_roster.htm
Some of those dudes would have trouble making a 2017 roster. Different game now, even NCAA rosters are fast strong and B-I-G.
The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger.
Z
Zombo said:
The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger.
Z
To repeat....he was the same size as Aaron Rodgers.....and not only would he be playing behind a bigger OL, the protection rules for QBs that apply today would by all means help him.
And, also...as I described above...it is only DTs on the defense that are bigger, not DEs. See the following:
2017 Pro Bowl DEs:
Khalil Mack 6'3 247
Cameron Wake 6'3 269
Jadaveon Clowne 6'6 267
Everson Griffen 6'3 273
Cliff Avril 6'3 260
Michael Bennett 6'4 274
1970 Pro Bowl DEs:
Carl Eller 6'6 257
Rich Jackson 6'3 255
Deacon Jones 6'5 272
Claude Humphrey 6'4 253
Bubba Smith 6'7 266
Jerry Mays 6'4 252
Maybe what? A 5 pound average difference?
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As noted, interior DTs/NTs are much bigger now:
2017 Pro Bowl DTs:
Geno Atkins 6'1 302
Ndamakong Suh 6'4 307
Jurrell Casey 6'1 300
Linval Joseph 6'4 323
Gerald McCoy 6'4 295
Fletcher Cox 6'4 298
1970 Pro Bowl DTs
Gary Larsen 6'5 261
Joe Greene 6'4 276
John Elliott 6'4 244
Merlin Olsen 6'5 270
Alan Page 6'4 245
Given their respective height, I suspect that these guys could have bulked up...if required, with the right training, nutrition. But that was not called for then.
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And here are the MLBs:
2017 Pro Bowlers (many more because players bugged out due to injury):
Zach Brown 6'1 242
Ryan Shazier 6'2 229
CJ Mosley 6'2 238
Donta Hightower 6'3 265
Bobby Wagner 6'0 241
Sean Lee 6'2 229
Luke Kuechley 6'3 235
1970 Pro Bowlers:
Dick Butkus 6'3 245
Willie Lanier 6'1 245
Mick Curtis 6'3 232
Tommy Nobis 6'2 240
absolutely no difference...in fact, on average I think the 1970 group outweighs the 2017 group.
(Donta Hightower is an exception...he is like 25 pounds heavier than his fellow 2017 MLBs)
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Just for shits and giggles, let's look at the QBs. This is a bit skewed because these days the QBs pussy out of the Pro Bowl...so you have 10 Pro Bowl QBs. Where, in 1970, each conference only had two QBs:
1970
John Brodie 6'1 198
Darryl Lamonica 6'4 215
Bob Griese 6'0 190
Fran Tarkenton 6'0 190
2017
Alex Smith 6'4 215
Ben R. 6'5 241
Derek Carr 6'3 218
Tom Brady 6'4 225
Andy Dalton 6'2 220
Drew Brees 6'0 209
Kirk Cousin 6'3 210
Dak Prescott 6'2 229
Aaron Rodgers 6'2 225
Matt Ryan 6'4 220
This group of QBs is overall taller than 1970 (I think the 1970 Pro Bowl group was pretty short...
thought 6'1 was a common height: Unitas, Bart Starr.
Others that may have made a Pro Bowl if they let in 10 guys could include the 6'5 Roman Gabriel. 6'4 Craig Morton. The 6'3 Terry Bradshaw, and a few others. But, yes, QBs today are generally taller.
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Just to complete the circle Olson and two other guys weighed 270# on the 1975 Rams. Blanda and other skilled players were getting hit by smaller dudes back then. It's strange when you go back in time and find out how your memory can play tricks on you....the steel curtain and fearsome foursome weren't really that big afterall.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1975_roster.htm
I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs.
DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271
Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s.
As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL.
So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions.
I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs.
DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271
Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s.
As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL.
So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions.
I was replying to the Joe Greene and Merlin Olsen comment, they were the biggest guys on their teams and smaller than most NCAA and PRO players today. The 250, 260 guys would get crushed by the 300 and 310 today.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less.
NOTE: NOT THE ROSTER I WANTED BUT CLOSE:
http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20141227/NEWS/141229705
1974 SB CHAMP STEELERS Joe Green 6' 4" 275# all the rest weigh less some much less. NO 300# dudes back then.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1974_roster.htm
Some of those dudes would have trouble making a 2017 roster. Different game now, even NCAA rosters are fast strong and B-I-G.
The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger.
Z
Zombo said:
The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger.
Z
But getting hit by today's bigger defensive players would have ended his career earlier.....hypothetically of course because 2000 guys can't play 1960 and 1970 guys. I'll bet anything if you ask them now they would agree that today's players are stronger, faster, bigger, deadlier.
All I've heard comment on it agree.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
In the NFL, quarterbacks are bigger than ever. How big? At 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, Cam Newton is bigger than most offensive linemen in the 1960s.
Of course, nowadays, offensive linemen are much bigger than that. The average guard, tackle, or center in the NFL in 2015 is 6-foot-5, 312 pounds.
Of the 159 players who have started at least four games as an offensive lineman since the start of the 2014 season, only 23 weigh less than 300 pounds and 39 weigh at least 320 pounds.
To put the sizes in perspective, let's compare the average size for an offensive lineman through the years to an active player.
In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's tall running backs, 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.
In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as a quarterback today, 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.
In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's linebackers, 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.
In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's outside linebackers, 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.
In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.
In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's bigger defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.
In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's centers, 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.
In 2015, the Bryan Bulaga is the average offensive lineman at 6-foot-5, 312 pounds.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Zombo said:
The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger.
Z
But getting hit by today's bigger defensive players would have ended his career earlier.....hypothetically of course because 2000 guys can't play 1960 and 1970 guys. I'll bet anything if you ask them now they would agree that today's players are stronger, faster, bigger, deadlier.
All I've heard comment on it agree.
But getting hit by today's bigger defensive players would have ended his career earlier.....hypothetically of course because 2000 guys can't play 1960 and 1970 guys. I'll bet anything if you ask them now they would agree that today's players are stronger, faster, bigger, deadlier.
All I've heard comment on it agree.
Not saying the players aren't physically more impressive. I'm saying he could still be a 40 year old 3rd string qb in this era coming off the bench leading comebacks
Brunnell, Moon, Testeverde, Flutie, Deberg ...all played in to their 40s in this era, none of them died.
Zombo
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Just to complete the circle Olson and two other guys weighed 270# on the 1975 Rams. Blanda and other skilled players were getting hit by smaller dudes back then. It's strange when you go back in time and find out how your memory can play tricks on you....the steel curtain and fearsome foursome weren't really that big afterall.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1975_roster.htm
I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs.
DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271
Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s.
As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL.
So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions.
I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs.
DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271
Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s.
As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL.
So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions.
Point of parlimentary procedure, today's players have greater muscle mass and speed. The impact today is far harder than in Blanda's day. Hence the much shorter NFL career expectancy today.
Players today don't use steroids any longer. Steroids which the liver converted to testosterone in the liver were the first technology to make more muscular, leaner players. Deacon Jones never had the muscle mass and speed that Garrett has, Today, all players take testosterone to get super lean and put on more muscle mass.
They are different Gipper, absolutely. In his day, at 6' 2" and 230 - 235 Jim Brown was a big back. Today, he would be average size. It isn't that today's players are bigger weight wise, as much as they have more muscle mass. If you look at individual size, your argument holds some water, but if you take the entire fraternity of football players? Today's guys would crush the 1964 Browns.Monte Clark at 6' 6" 265 was indeed big, but he was not built like today's guys.
Bigger? I think they are, and for sure collectively as the league. Those old guys were smooth skinned. These kids today are monsters.
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But getting hit by today's bigger defensive players would have ended his career earlier.....hypothetically of course because 2000 guys can't play 1960 and 1970 guys. I'll bet anything if you ask them now they would agree that today's players are stronger, faster, bigger, deadlier.
All I've heard comment on it agree.
Not saying the players aren't physically more impressive. I'm saying he could still be a 40 year old 3rd string qb in this era coming off the bench leading comebacks
Brunnell, Moon, Testeverde, Flutie, Deberg ...all played in to their 40s in this era, none of them died.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Not saying the players aren't physically more impressive. I'm saying he could still be a 40 year old 3rd string qb in this era coming off the bench leading comebacks
Brunnell, Moon, Testeverde, Flutie, Deberg ...all played in to their 40s in this era, none of them died.
Zombo
Flutie was the amazing one to me out of that bunch small but a smart gamer. And if you keep yourself in decent shape now and are versatile enough you can always find a job as a backup QB with the rate QBs are going down now even with all the protect the QB rules now.
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I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs.
DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271
Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s.
As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL.
So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions.
I was replying to the Joe Greene and Merlin Olsen comment, they were the biggest guys on their teams and smaller than most NCAA and PRO players today. The 250, 260 guys would get crushed by the 300 and 310 today.
I was replying to the Joe Greene and Merlin Olsen comment, they were the biggest guys on their teams and smaller than most NCAA and PRO players today. The 250, 260 guys would get crushed by the 300 and 310 today.
You are trying to do a dance. That is not what your original post implied. You asserted it for basically every position.
Besides....what would you rather have....a 270 lb. Joe Greene and Merlin Olsen...or some of the 300 pound blobs that play these days.
I would put my money on the old guys to handle things. And, as I said....if those guys had needed to put on and extra 25 pounds to play today, they easily could have done so.
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Zombo said:
The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger.
Z
But getting hit by today's bigger defensive players would have ended his career earlier.....hypothetically of course because 2000 guys can't play 1960 and 1970 guys. I'll bet anything if you ask them now they would agree that today's players are stronger, faster, bigger, deadlier.
All I've heard comment on it agree.
But getting hit by today's bigger defensive players would have ended his career earlier.....hypothetically of course because 2000 guys can't play 1960 and 1970 guys. I'll bet anything if you ask them now they would agree that today's players are stronger, faster, bigger, deadlier.
All I've heard comment on it agree.
Again....maybe 2 defensive players of today are bigger than they were in those days. The DTs. I have demonstrated the fact that the DEs, LBs, DBs are NOT any bigger today than they were then. And I don't agree that today's players are stronger, faster, or deadlier...only a couple of them are bigger (OL and DTs...and that is it).
Do you really think that the likes of Ryan Shazier and Christian Kirksey are deadlier than Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke were? And you forgot one critical term: tougher.
They have different training techniques now perhaps....that is all.
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In the NFL, quarterbacks are bigger than ever. How big? At 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, Cam Newton is bigger than most offensive linemen in the 1960s.
Of course, nowadays, offensive linemen are much bigger than that. The average guard, tackle, or center in the NFL in 2015 is 6-foot-5, 312 pounds.
Of the 159 players who have started at least four games as an offensive lineman since the start of the 2014 season, only 23 weigh less than 300 pounds and 39 weigh at least 320 pounds.
To put the sizes in perspective, let's compare the average size for an offensive lineman through the years to an active player.
In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's tall running backs, 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.
In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as a quarterback today, 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.
In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's linebackers, 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.
In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's outside linebackers, 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.
In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.
In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's bigger defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.
In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's centers, 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.
In 2015, the Bryan Bulaga is the average offensive lineman at 6-foot-5, 312 pounds.
In the NFL, quarterbacks are bigger than ever. How big? At 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, Cam Newton is bigger than most offensive linemen in the 1960s.
Of course, nowadays, offensive linemen are much bigger than that. The average guard, tackle, or center in the NFL in 2015 is 6-foot-5, 312 pounds.
Of the 159 players who have started at least four games as an offensive lineman since the start of the 2014 season, only 23 weigh less than 300 pounds and 39 weigh at least 320 pounds.
To put the sizes in perspective, let's compare the average size for an offensive lineman through the years to an active player.
In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's tall running backs, 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.
In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as a quarterback today, 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.
In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's linebackers, 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.
In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's outside linebackers, 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.
In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.
In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's bigger defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.
In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's centers, 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.
In 2015, the Bryan Bulaga is the average offensive lineman at 6-foot-5, 312 pounds.
Again.....the point that offensive linemen are fatter now is not disputed. They are the only position besides DTs that have gotten bigger.
DEs are the same. DBs are the same. LBs are the same. RBs are the same. WRs may actually be overall smaller now.
QBs are slightly taller. (but we have 6-0 QBs today...as they had then....and we have 6-4 QBs now that they had then. Now we may just have a few more in the taller range.
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But getting hit by today's bigger defensive players would have ended his career earlier.....hypothetically of course because 2000 guys can't play 1960 and 1970 guys. I'll bet anything if you ask them now they would agree that today's players are stronger, faster, bigger, deadlier.
All I've heard comment on it agree.
Not saying the players aren't physically more impressive. I'm saying he could still be a 40 year old 3rd string qb in this era coming off the bench leading comebacks
Brunnell, Moon, Testeverde, Flutie, Deberg ...all played in to their 40s in this era, none of them died.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Not saying the players aren't physically more impressive. I'm saying he could still be a 40 year old 3rd string qb in this era coming off the bench leading comebacks
Brunnell, Moon, Testeverde, Flutie, Deberg ...all played in to their 40s in this era, none of them died.
Zombo
And Blanda was 6'2 220.
10 starting QBs in the league last year were 6'2 or under. (including Griffin)
This year, if DeShaun Watson and Cody Kessler start that would be 2 others that I can think of off the top of my head that are 6'2.
(and Kessler is only 215 lbs.).
So....if whomever claims that a QB that size can't play the game now.....10-11-12 teams need to start looking for new QBs.
And I guess that means they would advocate for Osweiler over Kessler.
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