"Browns' hierarchy seems to prefer Derek Anderson over fan-favorite Brady Quinn"

[cmac12]

Lum you ruin posts. Somebody tries and make a post to have a real conversation and you ruin it. People feel compelled to respond to you. Although you could make real points in DAs favor you never choose to do so. You just attack BQ and his fans. I went to Oregon State and live in Oregon still and am a season ticket holder. I am in DAs corner. I feel no reason to attack BQ or his supporters to try and make a point. You can support DA and still be reasonable. There are real reason why neither QB has been traded and we do not know what they are.

Will you just please stop ruining posts. I am sure you can try and make a point without calling people fags or just being plain irrational. Hell I could and have made excuses for some of DAs play. Their have been drops and blown blocking but their have also been poor decisions and bad throws. DA is not perfect and needs to work on his game. maybe he needs to get a good coaching staff to develope him better. Is it really a shock that a new coaching staff wants to evaluate the QBs themselves to see who gives them the best shot of keeping their jobs?

Last year DA was rumored to have several trade offers, this year BQ was. Does that mean last year BQ sucked and nobody thought anything of him but this year they do? I don't know what it means and I also do not know what offers were actually made or how serious they were for either QB. I want to see how these two QBs develope this year and see who this coaching staff determines gives them the best shot to win. I hope it is DA, but it could easily be BQ. I do agree that whoever losses the compeition will get traded this year though as I do think that ratliff was brought in to be number 2.

Anyways, Lum either make a semi intelligent argument for DA or just shut up. And you can't call me a BQ fag because I don't actually like him and I hate ND and think Charlie is way over rated as a Head coach. But, I am not above saying that just because I don't like BQ does not mean he does not have skills.

[Drunkandstoopid]

@shepwrite said:

When he came in, Lum, he had a 104 passer rating in his first start. It's the one and only healthy regular season game we have to go on. His only other healthy regular season play was his cameo against SF the year before... when he looked very strong and threw two TD passes that were dropped.

That's what we have and it's at least promising. He did nothing to convince a team to go against the grain and NOT give their first round QB a chance to start a string of games.

You keep touting that 104 passer rating, it was against a team with a 98.5 passing defense rating. The good defenses in the NFL are allowing passers ratings in the 60s & 70s. Whoohoo, BQ threw barely better than the average quarterback did against one of the worst passing defenses in the NFL!!!

He's so awesome!

[mz.]

Dammit Lums, sack the fcuk up already!

[choco]

im trustworthy, and would never think of taking someone elses monies..... 🥷

[choco]

@inspecta said:

Well then if that's your argument then you have to apply the same standards to DA.

Against shitty defenses and winless teams=DA awesome

Against middle of the road and upper echelon talent=DA sucks

Doesn't say much for him now does it?

isn't awesome against shitty D's better than OK against Shitty D's?

just sayin'.....

[Lumbergh]

mz. said:

I will even sweeten it by PayPaling the winner one hundred US dollars the very day the starter is named

how about I give you 1k if you agree to stop J.O.ing to your Brady Quinn fathead?

[mz.]

@lumbergh said:

how about I give you 1k if you agree to stop J.O.ing to your Brady Quinn fathead?

That's a mighty fine comeback there.

So are you man enough to take spec's bet or not?

[daddybull1]

Greythan I'd suggest you read all my posts in this thread before you claim my logic being faulty...

I posted "Quinn should have started last year in the 1st game of the season-------Whoever called that shot (not starting Quinn) should have been fired and in retrospect, he was...."

I've also stated several times that I feel Quinn should be playing and given ample time to prove or disprove his value...

Seems you're handling my posts in the same way you use to evaluate Quinn... You take a sentence or a very small sampling and then come to a conclusion that favors your argument... At times Quinn's play show me that he is something special but other times he looks too much like Charlie Frye in his execution....BTW, the same man drafted both of those QB's.... Was he a total idiot on one selection and then a geneous on the other????? BTW, Savage drafted all 3 QB's.....

Admittedly I was out of the loop last year and didn't see over 95% of the games (didn't see one game in its entirety), but I do recall that Anderson got hurt in preseason which caused Quinn to get all the snaps in practice... That was his opportunity to COMPETE for the starting position so I don't see how Shep can claim he never got a chance... Wasn't Bernie thrown into the fire due to an injury then his play made the incumbant expendable.... Quinn had the same chance but for whatever reason couldn't pull the switch.....

And if your gonna use Quinns cameo against the niners and give creedance to the 2 dropped passes that should have gone for touchdowns then in all fairness you have to use the numerous dropped passes that Anderson had to endure when calculating his effectiveness as a passer,,,, Whats fair is fair, whats spin is spin....

It's also my opinion that the Browns have no intention in trading either QB since both are coming off an injury from last season.... There was something like 65 different starting QB's last season showing that a good backup may be the difference to a winning or losing season.... However with the Ratliff on board we might see some movement during camp if another team has a dire need and is willing to over pay.....

peace

T.Dawg

[hammertime]

does anybody know who lum is?

[Masters]

@lumbergh said:

poor riff, you're just still "flabbergasted" that NFL coaches don't think shit of your boy when you got a permanent hard on for him.

As opposed to your boy DA who had zero trade offers for him. At least there are articles that circulated saying at least 2 teams offered 1st round picks this year for Quinn (along with the rumor of DEN interest when they were dropping Cutler). That is more than can be said about DA.

[Masters]

@lumbergh said:

no, you don't know shit about QBs.

If you did your boy wouldn't have sat on the bench for two years and he wouldn't have sucked when he came in.

Wow, a 104 QB rating in your first pro start w/ 3 days prep. Yup, that is pretty darn bad.

What's DA's QB rating after 24+ starts again?

[Masters]

@drunkandstoopid said:

You keep touting that 104 passer rating, it was against a team with a 98.5 passing defense rating. The good defenses in the NFL are allowing passers ratings in the 60s & 70s. Whoohoo, BQ threw barely better than the average quarterback did against one of the worst passing defenses in the NFL!!!

He's so awesome!

Yawn! Remind me, what did DA do against that "fantastic" Cincy D when the playoffs were on the line?

Oh, and you are comparing what DEN did against mostly established QBs vs. a guy in his first career start. Apples and Oranges chief.

[Kosar_For_President]

@hammertime said:

does anybody know who lum is?

[hammertime]

@kosar_for_president said:

I never imagined he was that tall or manly.

[OconRecon]

@lumbergh said:

okay so why don't you tell that to shep and his "GREATEST FIRST GAME AS A STARTER PASSER RATING IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF BROWNS FOOTBALL" argument?

DA's numbers mean something because he's played enough games. The numbers show a 32nd ranked passer.

Quinn's 104 doesn't mean anything from a mathematical standpoint, but it does give a glimpse into what could be. Nobody here is suggesting you plug in Quinn's 104 and therefore he is a top ranked NFL QB and a proven commodity. But most here agree the glimpse from his one healthy game gives weight to the idea he deserves a solid chance. His 104 was based on a few days of prep with minimal snaps with the starting team to that point. The other games his finger was broken.

Quinn will start.

[Greythan]

Question: Has any QB EVER been the league's lowest rated passer and subsequently enjoyed success?

I'm too lazy to research it, but its a curious thought.

[OconRecon]

@greythan said:

Question: Has any QB EVER been the league's lowest rated passer and subsequently enjoyed success?

I'm too lazy to research it, but its a curious thought.

If it has happened, it has to be the exception, not the rule or norm.

[Tobalaz]

Watching DA drive us to glory last season was the emotional equivilant of being held down and having a pineapple shoved up you @ss.

Watching step on the field you got that same feeling of dread, this is going to hurt like hell and there's nothing you can do about it.

[roach]

@greythan said:

Question: Has any QB EVER been the league's lowest rated passer and subsequently enjoyed success?

I'm too lazy to research it, but its a curious thought.

Dilfer came to mind so i looked him up. He had a 76 rating the year before his Superbowl and a 76 rating the year of his Superbowl. His career rating was 70. i'm sure there are others.

[Aloysius]

Aikman was the worst in the league as a rookie (1989). Jake Plummer was absolutely awful in 1999 but was able to turn it around and have a couple semi-decent seasons.