"Browns' hierarchy seems to prefer Derek Anderson over fan-favorite Brady Quinn"

[choco]

im trustworthy, and would never think of taking someone elses monies..... 🥷

[choco]

@inspecta said:

Well then if that's your argument then you have to apply the same standards to DA.

Against shitty defenses and winless teams=DA awesome

Against middle of the road and upper echelon talent=DA sucks

Doesn't say much for him now does it?

isn't awesome against shitty D's better than OK against Shitty D's?

just sayin'.....

[Lumbergh]

mz. said:

I will even sweeten it by PayPaling the winner one hundred US dollars the very day the starter is named

how about I give you 1k if you agree to stop J.O.ing to your Brady Quinn fathead?

[mz.]

@lumbergh said:

how about I give you 1k if you agree to stop J.O.ing to your Brady Quinn fathead?

That's a mighty fine comeback there.

So are you man enough to take spec's bet or not?

[daddybull1]

Greythan I'd suggest you read all my posts in this thread before you claim my logic being faulty...

I posted "Quinn should have started last year in the 1st game of the season-------Whoever called that shot (not starting Quinn) should have been fired and in retrospect, he was...."

I've also stated several times that I feel Quinn should be playing and given ample time to prove or disprove his value...

Seems you're handling my posts in the same way you use to evaluate Quinn... You take a sentence or a very small sampling and then come to a conclusion that favors your argument... At times Quinn's play show me that he is something special but other times he looks too much like Charlie Frye in his execution....BTW, the same man drafted both of those QB's.... Was he a total idiot on one selection and then a geneous on the other????? BTW, Savage drafted all 3 QB's.....

Admittedly I was out of the loop last year and didn't see over 95% of the games (didn't see one game in its entirety), but I do recall that Anderson got hurt in preseason which caused Quinn to get all the snaps in practice... That was his opportunity to COMPETE for the starting position so I don't see how Shep can claim he never got a chance... Wasn't Bernie thrown into the fire due to an injury then his play made the incumbant expendable.... Quinn had the same chance but for whatever reason couldn't pull the switch.....

And if your gonna use Quinns cameo against the niners and give creedance to the 2 dropped passes that should have gone for touchdowns then in all fairness you have to use the numerous dropped passes that Anderson had to endure when calculating his effectiveness as a passer,,,, Whats fair is fair, whats spin is spin....

It's also my opinion that the Browns have no intention in trading either QB since both are coming off an injury from last season.... There was something like 65 different starting QB's last season showing that a good backup may be the difference to a winning or losing season.... However with the Ratliff on board we might see some movement during camp if another team has a dire need and is willing to over pay.....

peace

T.Dawg

[hammertime]

does anybody know who lum is?

[Masters]

@lumbergh said:

poor riff, you're just still "flabbergasted" that NFL coaches don't think shit of your boy when you got a permanent hard on for him.

As opposed to your boy DA who had zero trade offers for him. At least there are articles that circulated saying at least 2 teams offered 1st round picks this year for Quinn (along with the rumor of DEN interest when they were dropping Cutler). That is more than can be said about DA.

[Masters]

@lumbergh said:

no, you don't know shit about QBs.

If you did your boy wouldn't have sat on the bench for two years and he wouldn't have sucked when he came in.

Wow, a 104 QB rating in your first pro start w/ 3 days prep. Yup, that is pretty darn bad.

What's DA's QB rating after 24+ starts again?

[Masters]

@drunkandstoopid said:

You keep touting that 104 passer rating, it was against a team with a 98.5 passing defense rating. The good defenses in the NFL are allowing passers ratings in the 60s & 70s. Whoohoo, BQ threw barely better than the average quarterback did against one of the worst passing defenses in the NFL!!!

He's so awesome!

Yawn! Remind me, what did DA do against that "fantastic" Cincy D when the playoffs were on the line?

Oh, and you are comparing what DEN did against mostly established QBs vs. a guy in his first career start. Apples and Oranges chief.

[Kosar_For_President]

@hammertime said:

does anybody know who lum is?

[hammertime]

@kosar_for_president said:

I never imagined he was that tall or manly.

[OconRecon]

@lumbergh said:

okay so why don't you tell that to shep and his "GREATEST FIRST GAME AS A STARTER PASSER RATING IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF BROWNS FOOTBALL" argument?

DA's numbers mean something because he's played enough games. The numbers show a 32nd ranked passer.

Quinn's 104 doesn't mean anything from a mathematical standpoint, but it does give a glimpse into what could be. Nobody here is suggesting you plug in Quinn's 104 and therefore he is a top ranked NFL QB and a proven commodity. But most here agree the glimpse from his one healthy game gives weight to the idea he deserves a solid chance. His 104 was based on a few days of prep with minimal snaps with the starting team to that point. The other games his finger was broken.

Quinn will start.

[Greythan]

Question: Has any QB EVER been the league's lowest rated passer and subsequently enjoyed success?

I'm too lazy to research it, but its a curious thought.

[OconRecon]

@greythan said:

Question: Has any QB EVER been the league's lowest rated passer and subsequently enjoyed success?

I'm too lazy to research it, but its a curious thought.

If it has happened, it has to be the exception, not the rule or norm.

[Tobalaz]

Watching DA drive us to glory last season was the emotional equivilant of being held down and having a pineapple shoved up you @ss.

Watching step on the field you got that same feeling of dread, this is going to hurt like hell and there's nothing you can do about it.

[roach]

@greythan said:

Question: Has any QB EVER been the league's lowest rated passer and subsequently enjoyed success?

I'm too lazy to research it, but its a curious thought.

Dilfer came to mind so i looked him up. He had a 76 rating the year before his Superbowl and a 76 rating the year of his Superbowl. His career rating was 70. i'm sure there are others.

[Aloysius]

Aikman was the worst in the league as a rookie (1989). Jake Plummer was absolutely awful in 1999 but was able to turn it around and have a couple semi-decent seasons.

[Drunkandstoopid]

Eli Manning had a 55.4 his first year as a starter... but more importantly, had a 73something the year he won the Superbowl (same post season Shep referred to him as one of the "elite" QBs in the league) and has only topped a 77 once (took him 5 years of starting to match DA's first year efficiency rating).

If DA's still here in a few months, it's probably because the coaches feel he was affected by the concussion and surrounded by a team with issues this last season.

[Masters]

@drunkandstoopid said:

Eli Manning had a 55.4 his first year as a starter... but more importantly, had a 73something the year he won the Superbowl (same post season Shep referred to him as one of the "elite" QBs in the league) and has only topped a 77 once (took him 5 years of starting to match DA's first year efficiency rating).

If DA's still here in a few months, it's probably because the coaches feel he was affected by the concussion and surrounded by a team with issues this last season.

Keep in mind Eli's first year starting was as a wide eyed rookie, not a guy who was in his third season in the league (which DA was in 2007). You can knock Shep for his comment in during the 2007 post season, but what was Eli's QBR during the SB run? That's right, a 95.7 QBR. Now certainly over each guys first 31 starts they are about even. But Eli has shown more growth as a player over that span, along with growth from HS to college and college to the pros. That hasn't exactly been DA's trend.

I think DA will be here in a few months, but not because the staff feels the concussion (it was 1 in preseason week 1, he would have been over the effects long before he lost his job to Quinn) or it was a talent around him issue. But rather in the NFL it doesn't hurt to have two decent QBs on the roster. DA has good value as a back up. Plus the staff hasn't had a real chance to work with either guy, or know that much about them other than what they see on tape. What's on tape won't always tell you what play was actually called. The staff has to feel out both guys and would be unwise to make a rash decision.

[Masters]

Zombo said:

Actually, up until the last decade it was a Who's Who of Super Bowl winning qbs:

Terry Bradshaw 1970

Jim Plunkett 1972

Archie Manning 1975

Steve Deberg 1978

Doug Williams 1979

Phil Simms 1980

John Elway 1983

Vinnie Testeverde 1988

Troy Aikman 1989

Trent Dilfer 1995

Kerry Collins 1997

Jake Plummer 1999

Jon Kitna 2000

Kyle Orton 2005

Bradshaw (4), Aikman (3), Plunkett (2), Elway (2), Simms (2), Williams and Dilfer combined to win 15 Super Bowls (if you count simms twice instead of once). Throw in Mark Rypien who became the lowest rated passer subsequent to winning a SB and you have 8 different guys that won SBs that were once the lowest passer in the league. Collins made it too. Manning, Deberg, Testeverde, Plummer and Kitna all had at least decent careers after being the worst, and Orton has the potential to have a decent career .... so DA is not alone that regard.

What those guys all had in common (except Rypien) was that they were young QBs on bad teams. That's what happens. When your #1 receiver can't catch a cold and your #2 is some guy named Steptoe and your o-line constantly caves on the right and up the middle, and your running back gets you maybe 3.5, and you play the Steelers and Ravens four times and the NFC East another four .... bad things happen.

Let's take the knife out of Derek. That team sucked. The offense, the defense, the coaching ... no one was going to survive in that offense ... and no one did.

Zombo

Most of that is all well and good, but it doesn't explain away the back half of DA's 2007 season. You can also break down most of those guys and see growth and improvement from start 1 to 25, as well as from HS to college, and college to the pros.

DA of course still has a chance to develop as a QB, but based on his track record, I will be surprised if it is ever greater than a marginal improvement.