Bridge QB Over Troubled Waters
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Its called winning.
I have a different word for it... lazy.
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Time to put you on ignore again...
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Flaw in this is not considering the other options WSH had. One of which was tag and trade... which I believe they tried to do without success.
Still an option until March 14th I believe. I also do not believe they have tried to tag and trade although I could be wrong. I think they were trying to string him along and cheap out on a deal. They run theirselves into the corner with the 3rd year tag worth about $34M and no non exclusive tag allowed per the CBA on the 3rd consecutive tag.
I have a different word for it... lazy.
I surely have to think you aren't saying Cousins is lazy? I've read he is literally OCD in his prep and conditioning. Cousins is a stud QB period. Team stats are meaningless.
2017 I've heard said was a down year for Cousins. Here is a list of the QB's who threw more TD's last season
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate 1 Russell Wilson SEA QB 339 553 61.3 34.6 3,983 7.2 248.9 34 11 183 33.1 74T 58 12 43 95.4 2 Carson Wentz PHI QB 265 440 60.2 33.8 3,296 7.5 253.5 33 7 160 36.4 72T 40 9 28 101.9 3 Tom Brady NE QB 385 581 66.3 36.3 4,577 7.9 286.1 32 8 230 39.6 64T 62 10 35 102.8 4 Matthew Stafford DET QB 371 565 65.7 35.3 4,446 7.9 277.9 29 10 209 37.0 71T 61 16 47 99.3 5 Jared Goff LA QB 296 477 62.1 31.8 3,804 8.0 253.6 28 7 176 36.9 94T 54 12 25 100.5 5 Philip Rivers LAC QB 360 575 62.6 35.9 4,515 7.9 282.2 28 10 216 37.6 75T 61 12 18 96.0 5 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 360 561 64.2 37.4 4,251 7.6 283.4 28 14 207 36.9 97T 52 14 21 93.4 8 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 347 540 64.3 33.8 4,093 7.6 255.8 27 13 191 35.4 74 59 9 41 93.9 Here is a list of the guys who threw for more yards
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate 1 Tom Brady NE QB 385 581 66.3 36.3 4,577 7.9 286.1 32 8 230 39.6 64T 62 10 35 102.8 2 Philip Rivers LAC QB 360 575 62.6 35.9 4,515 7.9 282.2 28 10 216 37.6 75T 61 12 18 96.0 3 Matthew Stafford DET QB 371 565 65.7 35.3 4,446 7.9 277.9 29 10 209 37.0 71T 61 16 47 99.3 4 Drew Brees NO QB 386 536 72.0 33.5 4,334 8.1 270.9 23 8 201 37.5 54T 72 11 20 103.9 5 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 360 561 64.2 37.4 4,251 7.6 283.4 28 14 207 36.9 97T 52 14 21 93.4 6 Matt Ryan ATL QB 342 529 64.7 33.1 4,095 7.7 255.9 20 12 199 37.6 88T 54 8 24 91.4 7 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 347 540 64.3 33.8 4,093 7.6 255.8 27 13 191 35.4 74 59 9 41 93.9 -
Don't overthink the Cousins thing. Washington didn't want to commit to him long term; before they signed Alex Smith to a 94 million $ contract (71 million of it guaranteed). What do the Cousins fans know that that the team that drafted him couldn't possibly understand?
His team's record did NOT improve each of the last 3 years - it got worse each year regardless of the countless excuses I keep reading. If people thought he didn't have anyone to throw to in Washington - have they even SEEN our WR Corps?
The ONLY thing that's going to reward this guy is a disappointing supply of veteran QBs for the demand. Let the Buck Tooth Basssterd in Denver sign him to compete with his Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler.
We are obviously polar opposites on this topic. For me I am absolutely baffled by the lack of love for Cousins among Browns fans. This is a sentiment shared by a couple of the Sirius NFL radio hosts as well. They were shocked by some of the callers lack of desire to get Cousins. Hell I saw someone on this board compare him to Tyrod Taylor!! Seriously LOL Tyrod friggin Taylor!!!!
1) Washington signed Smith because they had both destroyed their relationship with Cousins AND Smith was a cheaper option for their cap
2) His team record is exactly that a TEAM record. He is and will continue to be a top 10 QB and with weapons likely top 5
3) Relative to "has he seen our WR corps". What matters isn't our corps last year but rather what we can give him this season. It is well within the realm of feasibility we could give him Gordon , Jarvis Landry , Coleman and a draft pick. Not to mention Duke and drafting Barkley
If Cousins was a mediocre as some of you think Washington would have never tagged him 2 years in a row. They painted themselves into a corner in which they could no longer afford him and they ruined their relationship with him.
We are obviously polar opposites on this topic. For me I am absolutely baffled by the lack of love for Cousins among Browns fans. This is a sentiment shared by a couple of the Sirius NFL radio hosts as well. They were shocked by some of the callers lack of desire to get Cousins. Hell I saw someone on this board compare him to Tyrod Taylor!! Seriously LOL Tyrod friggin Taylor!!!!
1) Washington signed Smith because they had both destroyed their relationship with Cousins AND Smith was a cheaper option for their cap
2) His team record is exactly that a TEAM record. He is and will continue to be a top 10 QB and with weapons likely top 5
3) Relative to "has he seen our WR corps". What matters isn't our corps last year but rather what we can give him this season. It is well within the realm of feasibility we could give him Gordon , Jarvis Landry , Coleman and a draft pick. Not to mention Duke and drafting Barkley
If Cousins was a mediocre as some of you think Washington would have never tagged him 2 years in a row. They painted themselves into a corner in which they could no longer afford him and they ruined their relationship with him.
Sure there's a general lack of interest in Cousins by Browns fans for about $150 million reasons.
The Patriots don't win Super Bowls by overpaying for talent. And Cousins is is going to get grossly overpaid- you might not care, but at this point in the Browns team building I'll bet they do. If we could sign Kirk for the $91 million, $70 million guaranteed that Smith got, sign me up. $150 million $90 million guaranteed? Forget it. A couple extra wins in 2018 with Cousins doesn't do it for me- at the expense of taking the long view. This isn't like the Broncos who needed the final piece (Manning) in a QB, we're still miles away from competing.
1) True, Redskins FO blew it, I don't think Cousins was without blame- it takes two to start a fight.
2) So you just want the bird in the hand, and have zero confidence Dorsey can't draft some one better- maybe a lot better- than Cousins (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) who are not only 9 years younger, but also a damnsite cheaper for at least the next three years.
3) You familiar with the computer term "vaporware"? Cousins will probably be the first FA off the market- and you're going to try selling him on a roster that largely doesn't exist yet.
Mediocre, no. Not worth the asking price, yes. Question- would you have been screaming not worth it if we had offered KC ( a deal they certainly would have taken) the #33 this year and another second round pick in 2019?
And in regard to tagging and trading, that IIRC will take the Browns out of the picture. Franchise tag involves first round picks. Not sure if you can tag a guy, work out a contract, take the tag off, and then trade him. Also the cap implications would be real fuzzy. Or are you so in love with Cousins the #1 overall and a first next year is worth it? That only works for a team like the Bills who have two low first round picks, and were actually a playoff team- remember Kirk saying he wants to play for a winner?
Not a fan of Mary Kay but this is it in a nutshell from the article... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/kirk_cousins_and_the_browns_wh.html#incart_big-photo
"To me, the only real connection between Cousins and the Browns is money and the fact that Cousins' first career start came against Cleveland back in 2012. Cousins is a quick fix, but is he a longterm solution? That's the question John Dorsey and Co. will have to answer between now and March."
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We are obviously polar opposites on this topic. For me I am absolutely baffled by the lack of love for Cousins among Browns fans. This is a sentiment shared by a couple of the Sirius NFL radio hosts as well. They were shocked by some of the callers lack of desire to get Cousins. Hell I saw someone on this board compare him to Tyrod Taylor!! Seriously LOL Tyrod friggin Taylor!!!!
1) Washington signed Smith because they had both destroyed their relationship with Cousins AND Smith was a cheaper option for their cap
2) His team record is exactly that a TEAM record. He is and will continue to be a top 10 QB and with weapons likely top 5
3) Relative to "has he seen our WR corps". What matters isn't our corps last year but rather what we can give him this season. It is well within the realm of feasibility we could give him Gordon , Jarvis Landry , Coleman and a draft pick. Not to mention Duke and drafting Barkley
If Cousins was a mediocre as some of you think Washington would have never tagged him 2 years in a row. They painted themselves into a corner in which they could no longer afford him and they ruined their relationship with him.
Sure there's a general lack of interest in Cousins by Browns fans for about $150 million reasons.
The Patriots don't win Super Bowls by overpaying for talent. And Cousins is is going to get grossly overpaid- you might not care, but at this point in the Browns team building I'll bet they do. If we could sign Kirk for the $91 million, $70 million guaranteed that Smith got, sign me up. $150 million $90 million guaranteed? Forget it. A couple extra wins in 2018 with Cousins doesn't do it for me- at the expense of taking the long view. This isn't like the Broncos who needed the final piece (Manning) in a QB, we're still miles away from competing.
1) True, Redskins FO blew it, I don't think Cousins was without blame- it takes two to start a fight.
2) So you just want the bird in the hand, and have zero confidence Dorsey can't draft some one better- maybe a lot better- than Cousins (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) who are not only 9 years younger, but also a damnsite cheaper for at least the next three years.
3) You familiar with the computer term "vaporware"? Cousins will probably be the first FA off the market- and you're going to try selling him on a roster that largely doesn't exist yet.
Mediocre, no. Not worth the asking price, yes. Question- would you have been screaming not worth it if we had offered KC ( a deal they certainly would have taken) the #33 this year and another second round pick in 2019?
And in regard to tagging and trading, that IIRC will take the Browns out of the picture. Franchise tag involves first round picks. Not sure if you can tag a guy, work out a contract, take the tag off, and then trade him. Also the cap implications would be real fuzzy. Or are you so in love with Cousins the #1 overall and a first next year is worth it? That only works for a team like the Bills who have two low first round picks, and were actually a playoff team- remember Kirk saying he wants to play for a winner?
Not a fan of Mary Kay but this is it in a nutshell from the article... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/kirk_cousins_and_the_browns_wh.html#incart_big-photo
"To me, the only real connection between Cousins and the Browns is money and the fact that Cousins' first career start came against Cleveland back in 2012. Cousins is a quick fix, but is he a longterm solution? That's the question John Dorsey and Co. will have to answer between now and March."
Sure there's a general lack of interest in Cousins by Browns fans for about $150 million reasons.
The Patriots don't win Super Bowls by overpaying for talent. And Cousins is is going to get grossly overpaid- you might not care, but at this point in the Browns team building I'll bet they do. If we could sign Kirk for the $91 million, $70 million guaranteed that Smith got, sign me up. $150 million $90 million guaranteed? Forget it. A couple extra wins in 2018 with Cousins doesn't do it for me- at the expense of taking the long view. This isn't like the Broncos who needed the final piece (Manning) in a QB, we're still miles away from competing.
So right off the bat lets just answer the Patriots thing, TOM BRADY and that is that
IMO he wont be getting grossly overpaid, he will be getting paid like a talent of his level at QB
1) True, Redskins FO blew it, I don't think Cousins was without blame- it takes two to start a fight.
2) So you just want the bird in the hand, and have zero confidence Dorsey can't draft some one better- maybe a lot better- than Cousins (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) who are not only 9 years younger, but also a damnsite cheaper for at least the next three years.
I don't just WANT to take bird in hand, this is a team and fan base thats survival is absolutely is dependent on winning now ala QB bird in hand. I'd have been fine with Smith for this as well but without him its Cousins all the way. Also cheaper is a word that should be completely banned from all discussions within the FO and our board lol I am F'ing tired of cheap
3) You familiar with the computer term "vaporware"? Cousins will probably be the first FA off the market- and you're going to try selling him on a roster that largely doesn't exist yet.
I am a professional seller so accustomed to selling value that is somewhat murky in the beginning. If we do not have someone in our FO that can convince Cousins our $118M in cap and historic level number of high draft picks can arm him with a superior WR corp and running backs then we better hurry up and hire that missing piece in the FO. That should be as easy as selling a $20 spot for a dollar.
Mediocre, no. Not worth the asking price, yes. Question- would you have been screaming not worth it if we had offered KC ( a deal they certainly would have taken) the #33 this year and another second round pick in 2019?
Honestly if we could have gotten Smith for the #33 AND he would have signed a cap friendly 4 years I would have been very happy. Perhaps again I am in the minority.
And in regard to tagging and trading, that IIRC will take the Browns out of the picture. Franchise tag involves first round picks. Not sure if you can tag a guy, work out a contract, take the tag off, and then trade him. Also the cap implications would be real fuzzy. Or are you so in love with Cousins the #1 overall and a first next year is worth it? That only works for a team like the Bills who have two low first round picks, and were actually a playoff team- remember Kirk saying he wants to play for a winner?
They cannot tag Cousins with the non exclusive tag which is the only tag that requires the two #1 picks. per the CBA you cannot use the non exclusive for a 3rd consecutive tagging. They can only either tag him with the exclusive tag or the transition tag. Neither would give them anything in regards to draft picks.
Not a fan of Mary Kay but this is it in a nutshell from the article... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/kirk_cousins_and_the_browns_wh.html#incart_big-photo
"To me, the only real connection between Cousins and the Browns is money and the fact that Cousins' first career start came against Cleveland back in 2012. Cousins is a quick fix, but is he a longterm solution? That's the question John Dorsey and Co. will have to answer between now and March."
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Sure there's a general lack of interest in Cousins by Browns fans for about $150 million reasons.
The Patriots don't win Super Bowls by overpaying for talent. And Cousins is is going to get grossly overpaid- you might not care, but at this point in the Browns team building I'll bet they do. If we could sign Kirk for the $91 million, $70 million guaranteed that Smith got, sign me up. $150 million $90 million guaranteed? Forget it. A couple extra wins in 2018 with Cousins doesn't do it for me- at the expense of taking the long view. This isn't like the Broncos who needed the final piece (Manning) in a QB, we're still miles away from competing.
So right off the bat lets just answer the Patriots thing, TOM BRADY and that is that
IMO he wont be getting grossly overpaid, he will be getting paid like a talent of his level at QB
1) True, Redskins FO blew it, I don't think Cousins was without blame- it takes two to start a fight.
2) So you just want the bird in the hand, and have zero confidence Dorsey can't draft some one better- maybe a lot better- than Cousins (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) who are not only 9 years younger, but also a damnsite cheaper for at least the next three years.
I don't just WANT to take bird in hand, this is a team and fan base thats survival is absolutely is dependent on winning now ala QB bird in hand. I'd have been fine with Smith for this as well but without him its Cousins all the way. Also cheaper is a word that should be completely banned from all discussions within the FO and our board lol I am F'ing tired of cheap
3) You familiar with the computer term "vaporware"? Cousins will probably be the first FA off the market- and you're going to try selling him on a roster that largely doesn't exist yet.
I am a professional seller so accustomed to selling value that is somewhat murky in the beginning. If we do not have someone in our FO that can convince Cousins our $118M in cap and historic level number of high draft picks can arm him with a superior WR corp and running backs then we better hurry up and hire that missing piece in the FO. That should be as easy as selling a $20 spot for a dollar.
Mediocre, no. Not worth the asking price, yes. Question- would you have been screaming not worth it if we had offered KC ( a deal they certainly would have taken) the #33 this year and another second round pick in 2019?
Honestly if we could have gotten Smith for the #33 AND he would have signed a cap friendly 4 years I would have been very happy. Perhaps again I am in the minority.
And in regard to tagging and trading, that IIRC will take the Browns out of the picture. Franchise tag involves first round picks. Not sure if you can tag a guy, work out a contract, take the tag off, and then trade him. Also the cap implications would be real fuzzy. Or are you so in love with Cousins the #1 overall and a first next year is worth it? That only works for a team like the Bills who have two low first round picks, and were actually a playoff team- remember Kirk saying he wants to play for a winner?
They cannot tag Cousins with the non exclusive tag which is the only tag that requires the two #1 picks. per the CBA you cannot use the non exclusive for a 3rd consecutive tagging. They can only either tag him with the exclusive tag or the transition tag. Neither would give them anything in regards to draft picks.
Not a fan of Mary Kay but this is it in a nutshell from the article... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/kirk_cousins_and_the_browns_wh.html#incart_big-photo
"To me, the only real connection between Cousins and the Browns is money and the fact that Cousins' first career start came against Cleveland back in 2012. Cousins is a quick fix, but is he a longterm solution? That's the question John Dorsey and Co. will have to answer between now and March."
I don't just WANT to take bird in hand, this is a team and fan base thats survival is absolutely is dependent on winning now ala QB bird in hand. I'd have been fine with Smith for this as well but without him its Cousins all the way. Also cheaper is a word that should be completely banned from all discussions within the FO and our board lol I am F'ing tired of cheap
Then. I'll just say IMHO you're dead wrong, on both counts. That Browns survival doesn't depend on "win now at all costs". And it doesn't depend on landing Cousins either. If that's the direction the Browns decide to go, I'll support it. Just be prepared to be disappointed when Kirk decides the Bills, Broncos, or Cardinals are greener pastures.
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I don't just WANT to take bird in hand, this is a team and fan base thats survival is absolutely is dependent on winning now ala QB bird in hand. I'd have been fine with Smith for this as well but without him its Cousins all the way. Also cheaper is a word that should be completely banned from all discussions within the FO and our board lol I am F'ing tired of cheap
Then. I'll just say IMHO you're dead wrong, on both counts. That Browns survival doesn't depend on "win now at all costs". And it doesn't depend on landing Cousins either. If that's the direction the Browns decide to go, I'll support it. Just be prepared to be disappointed when Kirk decides the Bills, Broncos, or Cardinals are greener pastures.
Then. I'll just say IMHO you're dead wrong, on both counts. That Browns survival doesn't depend on "win now at all costs". And it doesn't depend on landing Cousins either. If that's the direction the Browns decide to go, I'll support it. Just be prepared to be disappointed when Kirk decides the Bills, Broncos, or Cardinals are greener pastures.
We agree to disagree. All in all I am prepared to be disappointed on the Cousins front. I am just standing by my contention that its a huge risk and likely mistake to not go balls to the wall to land him.
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Then. I'll just say IMHO you're dead wrong, on both counts. That Browns survival doesn't depend on "win now at all costs". And it doesn't depend on landing Cousins either. If that's the direction the Browns decide to go, I'll support it. Just be prepared to be disappointed when Kirk decides the Bills, Broncos, or Cardinals are greener pastures.
We agree to disagree. All in all I am prepared to be disappointed on the Cousins front. I am just standing by my contention that its a huge risk and likely mistake to not go balls to the wall to land him.
We agree to disagree. All in all I am prepared to be disappointed on the Cousins front. I am just standing by my contention that its a huge risk and likely mistake to not go balls to the wall to land him.
Fair enough. You have your opinion, I have mine. If this was a poker game, looks like you're willing to push all your chips in, think I'll wait. If we get Cousins, your plan makes sense. If not, we didn't "Suck for Sam" needlessly.
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Time to put you on ignore again...
I see you are a taking your estrogen pills. Because I have no Shmucking clue what the Shmuck you're talking aboutI see you are a taking your estrogen pills. Because I have no Shmucking clue what the Shmuck you're talking about
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I see you are a taking your estrogen pills. Because I have no Shmucking clue what the Shmuck you're talking aboutI see you are a taking your estrogen pills. Because I have no Shmucking clue what the Shmuck you're talking about
I have no schmuck about estrogen. Tour thinks you're being unnecessarily argumentative. If you want a comment from the peanut gallery...
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Counting Kizer...#27
..good news, I was born on the 28th
So was I naturally hence mjp 28
But the BROWNS QB revolving door policy coupled with their lousy playoff record (0-1 as a wild card since 1999?) plus lack of coaching stability and other factors are poison for attracting FAs especially at quarterback.
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I see you are a taking your estrogen pills. Because I have no Shmucking clue what the Shmuck you're talking aboutI see you are a taking your estrogen pills. Because I have no Shmucking clue what the Shmuck you're talking about
I have no schmuck about estrogen. Tour thinks you're being unnecessarily argumentative. If you want a comment from the peanut gallery...
I have no schmuck about estrogen. Tour thinks you're being unnecessarily argumentative. If you want a comment from the peanut gallery...
I asked him if he thought that cousins was lazy because he said somebody was lazy I assumed he was talking about cousin and then he goes and talks about putting me on ignore like he's some Shmucking teenage ? Chick
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I have no schmuck about estrogen. Tour thinks you're being unnecessarily argumentative. If you want a comment from the peanut gallery...
I asked him if he thought that cousins was lazy because he said somebody was lazy I assumed he was talking about cousin and then he goes and talks about putting me on ignore like he's some Shmucking teenage ? Chick
I asked him if he thought that cousins was lazy because he said somebody was lazy I assumed he was talking about cousin and then he goes and talks about putting me on ignore like he's some Shmucking teenage ? Chick
there's no evidence Cousins is "lazy" unless you have some. Or Tour in regards to someone else. If I didn't moderate- I'd have around 6 guys I'd put on ignore too.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
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I asked him if he thought that cousins was lazy because he said somebody was lazy I assumed he was talking about cousin and then he goes and talks about putting me on ignore like he's some Shmucking teenage ? Chick
there's no evidence Cousins is "lazy" unless you have some. Or Tour in regards to someone else. If I didn't moderate- I'd have around 6 guys I'd put on ignore too.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
there's no evidence Cousins is "lazy" unless you have some. Or Tour in regards to someone else. If I didn't moderate- I'd have around 6 guys I'd put on ignore too.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
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I asked him if he thought that cousins was lazy because he said somebody was lazy I assumed he was talking about cousin and then he goes and talks about putting me on ignore like he's some Shmucking teenage ? Chick
there's no evidence Cousins is "lazy" unless you have some. Or Tour in regards to someone else. If I didn't moderate- I'd have around 6 guys I'd put on ignore too.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
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Don't overthink the Cousins thing. Washington didn't want to commit to him long term; before they signed Alex Smith to a 94 million $ contract (71 million of it guaranteed). What do the Cousins fans know that that the team that drafted him couldn't possibly understand?
His team's record did NOT improve each of the last 3 years - it got worse each year regardless of the countless excuses I keep reading. If people thought he didn't have anyone to throw to in Washington - have they even SEEN our WR Corps?
The ONLY thing that's going to reward this guy is a disappointing supply of veteran QBs for the demand. Let the Buck Tooth Basssterd in Denver sign him to compete with his Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler.
We are obviously polar opposites on this topic. For me I am absolutely baffled by the lack of love for Cousins among Browns fans. This is a sentiment shared by a couple of the Sirius NFL radio hosts as well. They were shocked by some of the callers lack of desire to get Cousins. Hell I saw someone on this board compare him to Tyrod Taylor!! Seriously LOL Tyrod friggin Taylor!!!!
1) Washington signed Smith because they had both destroyed their relationship with Cousins AND Smith was a cheaper option for their cap
2) His team record is exactly that a TEAM record. He is and will continue to be a top 10 QB and with weapons likely top 5
3) Relative to "has he seen our WR corps". What matters isn't our corps last year but rather what we can give him this season. It is well within the realm of feasibility we could give him Gordon , Jarvis Landry , Coleman and a draft pick. Not to mention Duke and drafting Barkley
If Cousins was a mediocre as some of you think Washington would have never tagged him 2 years in a row. They painted themselves into a corner in which they could no longer afford him and they ruined their relationship with him.
We are obviously polar opposites on this topic. For me I am absolutely baffled by the lack of love for Cousins among Browns fans. This is a sentiment shared by a couple of the Sirius NFL radio hosts as well. They were shocked by some of the callers lack of desire to get Cousins. Hell I saw someone on this board compare him to Tyrod Taylor!! Seriously LOL Tyrod friggin Taylor!!!!
1) Washington signed Smith because they had both destroyed their relationship with Cousins AND Smith was a cheaper option for their cap
2) His team record is exactly that a TEAM record. He is and will continue to be a top 10 QB and with weapons likely top 5
3) Relative to "has he seen our WR corps". What matters isn't our corps last year but rather what we can give him this season. It is well within the realm of feasibility we could give him Gordon , Jarvis Landry , Coleman and a draft pick. Not to mention Duke and drafting Barkley
If Cousins was a mediocre as some of you think Washington would have never tagged him 2 years in a row. They painted themselves into a corner in which they could no longer afford him and they ruined their relationship with him.
IMO, you always do a nice job of backing your points in here to the extent I respect where you are coming from. Good point about the Tyrod Taylor example someone had.
All that said, my pov on Cousins is in relation to the length of commitment and the amount of salary he will demand here. I COMPLETELY disagree he is a top 10 QB like those that only count passing stats do. Again, if the team that drafted him saw this type of QB - he would have been secured long term. Washington saw him every game and every practice - while our fans did not. The friction began when his AGENT saw a top 10 QB while his team did not. The getting cornered into tagging him 2 years in a row you spoke of was more of a reflection of a disappointing supply of veteran QBs available for the kind/length of contract they wanted to commit to so they exercised patience instead of caving in long term. The very first time Washington saw their version of veteran upgrade, they gave Alex Smith a 94 million $ contract (guaranteeing 71 million $ of that).
For those that fall in love with stats, there was a season Nick Foles threw 27 TD passes to only 2 INTs with a 64 comp % and 119.2 passer rating in 2013 - did that get him the kind of contract Cousins and his agent are seeking? Did it make anyone see him as a long term top 10 QB? With the same Washington team in 2014, Colt McCoy completed 71% of his dink and don'ts with a passer rating of 96.4; and the 1 time he appeared in 2015 he went 7 of 11 for 128 yds at 9.1 yards per completion with 1 TD:0 INTs and a passer rating of 133.9. Stats don't always tell the whole story.... Isn't it possible the team that has seen every practice and every game doesn't see the same wonderful leadership intangibles that fans who only occasionally watch the Redskins see? If one listens to KC Chiefs teammates about Alex Smith such as Kareem Hunt or Travis Kelce - the first thing they applaud after another playoff season is his leadership.
Let me clarify something you changed. I NEVER asked has Cousins seen our WR Corps - I asked have Cousins' fans seen our WR Corps (especially if they're making excuses about who he had to throw to). If we also factor in TEs, he's had experienced targets like Pierre Garcon, DeSean Jackson, Jordan Reed, Terrelle Pryor, Vernon Davis and others. Just 2 years removed from a talent pool with a 10-6 record - Cousins started off 9-7 then went 8-7-1 and then went 7-9. I don't see the type of progress I'd see if the guy was a legit top 10 QB. I see a QB Jeff Fishering 8-8 football. The great ones get better and frequent playoffs. Some QBs make a difference between winning and losing while some cannot. If they cannot, I don't want us giving that type of QB the same/better contract than Alex Smith just got when we're trying to overhaul the talent pool of 1-31 football. We have our pick of the litter at QB in the draft so I'll take my chances with another veteran FA QB that won't demand anything close to Cousins. The last time I saw AJ McCarron play - it was a playoff game with his team in the lead late in the 4th quarter driving for game clinching points when Jeremy Hill fumbled the ball near the 15 yard line of Pittsburgh. Are we sure McCarron can't be the right guy for our situation? He did pretty good when he got a chance to play kind of like Case Keenum did in St Louis before he got another chance to play in Minnesota. As they say, timing is everything. I think there's a right guy at the right time out there for us. Minnesota got one last year even if by accident. How many saw that coming?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Flaw in this is not considering the other options WSH had. One of which was tag and trade... which I believe they tried to do without success.
Still an option until March 14th I believe. I also do not believe they have tried to tag and trade although I could be wrong. I think they were trying to string him along and cheap out on a deal. They run theirselves into the corner with the 3rd year tag worth about $34M and no non exclusive tag allowed per the CBA on the 3rd consecutive tag.
I have a different word for it... lazy.
I surely have to think you aren't saying Cousins is lazy? I've read he is literally OCD in his prep and conditioning. Cousins is a stud QB period. Team stats are meaningless.
2017 I've heard said was a down year for Cousins. Here is a list of the QB's who threw more TD's last season
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate 1 Russell Wilson SEA QB 339 553 61.3 34.6 3,983 7.2 248.9 34 11 183 33.1 74T 58 12 43 95.4 2 Carson Wentz PHI QB 265 440 60.2 33.8 3,296 7.5 253.5 33 7 160 36.4 72T 40 9 28 101.9 3 Tom Brady NE QB 385 581 66.3 36.3 4,577 7.9 286.1 32 8 230 39.6 64T 62 10 35 102.8 4 Matthew Stafford DET QB 371 565 65.7 35.3 4,446 7.9 277.9 29 10 209 37.0 71T 61 16 47 99.3 5 Jared Goff LA QB 296 477 62.1 31.8 3,804 8.0 253.6 28 7 176 36.9 94T 54 12 25 100.5 5 Philip Rivers LAC QB 360 575 62.6 35.9 4,515 7.9 282.2 28 10 216 37.6 75T 61 12 18 96.0 5 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 360 561 64.2 37.4 4,251 7.6 283.4 28 14 207 36.9 97T 52 14 21 93.4 8 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 347 540 64.3 33.8 4,093 7.6 255.8 27 13 191 35.4 74 59 9 41 93.9 Here is a list of the guys who threw for more yards
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate 1 Tom Brady NE QB 385 581 66.3 36.3 4,577 7.9 286.1 32 8 230 39.6 64T 62 10 35 102.8 2 Philip Rivers LAC QB 360 575 62.6 35.9 4,515 7.9 282.2 28 10 216 37.6 75T 61 12 18 96.0 3 Matthew Stafford DET QB 371 565 65.7 35.3 4,446 7.9 277.9 29 10 209 37.0 71T 61 16 47 99.3 4 Drew Brees NO QB 386 536 72.0 33.5 4,334 8.1 270.9 23 8 201 37.5 54T 72 11 20 103.9 5 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 360 561 64.2 37.4 4,251 7.6 283.4 28 14 207 36.9 97T 52 14 21 93.4 6 Matt Ryan ATL QB 342 529 64.7 33.1 4,095 7.7 255.9 20 12 199 37.6 88T 54 8 24 91.4 7 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 347 540 64.3 33.8 4,093 7.6 255.8 27 13 191 35.4 74 59 9 41 93.9 I surely have to think you aren't saying Cousins is lazy?
Correct... that was just Gip... being lazy. My comment was that judging QBs based on their W/L records was lazy.
And Kurt has posted good numbers... especially between the 20s. In the redzone? Not so much...
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I asked him if he thought that cousins was lazy because he said somebody was lazy I assumed he was talking about cousin and then he goes and talks about putting me on ignore like he's some Shmucking teenage ? Chick
there's no evidence Cousins is "lazy" unless you have some. Or Tour in regards to someone else. If I didn't moderate- I'd have around 6 guys I'd put on ignore too.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
In part, h... but I also get tired of having to carry both sides of the conversation with a guy who is more interested in hurriedly responding to every post in a Forum as if it existed in a vacuum than actually thinking about a post in context.
Not my first Gipcation... won't be my last.
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I asked him if he thought that cousins was lazy because he said somebody was lazy I assumed he was talking about cousin and then he goes and talks about putting me on ignore like he's some Shmucking teenage ? Chick
there's no evidence Cousins is "lazy" unless you have some. Or Tour in regards to someone else. If I didn't moderate- I'd have around 6 guys I'd put on ignore too.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
there's no evidence Cousins is "lazy" unless you have some. Or Tour in regards to someone else. If I didn't moderate- I'd have around 6 guys I'd put on ignore too.
I think I know Tour well enough to say- he's got better things to do with his time instead of arguing with you just to prove a minor point.
Then who was he calling lazy?
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Correct... that was just Gip... being lazy. My comment was that judging QBs based on their W/L records was lazy.
And Kurt has posted good numbers... especially between the 20s. In the redzone? Not so much...
What the Shmuck are you talking about Lolita?
You obviously fully disappoint Hoorta...based on his comments that you do not get into arguments over minor petty points. My experience with you is that that is just about ALL you do on here.
Like this. Someone asked about why some teams/people were not high on Kirk Cousins. I...and others have said: it is because despite all of his statistical credentials...he has a losing record as a starting QB.
Maybe it is simplistic...maybe it is lazy....but it is also COMPLETELY accurate. As....let's face it....if I am being lazy and simplistic.....then so are the Washington Redskins.
I....me,myself and I am the one that looked up and posted Cousins statistical rankings the last 3 years. Why did I do it? Because everyone else here...you included were too lazy to look up an comment on those stats. Who looked up his record as the starting QB? I did....because you and everyone else was too lazy to do so.
And it is still also a fact: The Washington Redskins do NOT see him as a winner. I suspect that a number of other teams have limited interest because they do not see him as a winner. Sorry that you were too lazy to research, read, and understand those facts.
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