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  • The GipperT The Gipper

     While all the things you say cal are perfectly accurate you missed probably our worst area of deficiency: our playcalling and head coaching. Hopefully our playcalling will improve as much as we hope our defense of back and are wide receivers and our running game will improve 

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    @the-gipper said:

     While all the things you say cal are perfectly accurate you missed probably our worst area of deficiency: our playcalling and head coaching. Hopefully our playcalling will improve as much as we hope our defense of back and are wide receivers and our running game will improve 

    this is also true, but better talent, to a degree, can make play calling far easier.

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       a) I think with our non-threatening offense he will face more pressure than he ever imagined or experienced.                                                                                                                                                                b) I think his run-first instincts will take over and I think he will get injured pretty early on. We shall see.

      a) were not Pitt..  but Haley should not fall far from 20th'ish of the pack of OC's in the league. Been top 15 since 2012..Haley's talent just has to be coachable talent that executes assignments.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              b) Here's Tyrod's injury history  https://www.sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785  care to take a look at Ben's?(click near bottom) Taylor has played 15 games/season for 3 straight seasons..has the Bills OL ever been famous for anything? maybe it's just our turn that the sky stops falling in C-town..Jaguars had no big injuries last season. Was a big part of their successful season carrying Bortles who sucks, compared to Tyrod Taylor..Taylor just won't have the advantage of practicing against that Jags D.. 

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      GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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      @gumby73 said:

      a) were not Pitt..  but Haley should not fall far from 20th'ish of the pack of OC's in the league. Been top 15 since 2012..Haley's talent just has to be coachable talent that executes assignments.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              b) Here's Tyrod's injury history  https://www.sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785  care to take a look at Ben's?(click near bottom) Taylor has played 15 games/season for 3 straight seasons..has the Bills OL ever been famous for anything? maybe it's just our turn that the sky stops falling in C-town..Jaguars had no big injuries last season. Was a big part of their successful season carrying Bortles who sucks, compared to Tyrod Taylor..Taylor just won't have the advantage of practicing against that Jags D.. 

      An OL has very little to do with how good a QB is. All OLmen are lardasses, mostly equal in ability. The difference in OL is not in talent of player but in the ability of the line to play in synch.. It is the offensive weapons and play calling that determines how successful a QB will be, not forgetting his own skills, of course.

      Tie Rod's history has nothing to do with the future. Unless something dramatically changes with our play calling and risk taking, Tie Rod will have to run a lot, and he will get crippled, like RG Tarkenton 3.

      The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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        @calfoxwc said:

        You read that...wow...the Browns are really going to shock the NFL this year.

        No weaknesses (ok, maybe at LT ?), but serious talent and depth all around.

        except LT.

        dammit.

        do ya think that's why we brought in Fells ? to cover up the L.T position 

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        IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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        @syd said:

        do ya think that's why we brought in Fells ? to cover up the L.T position 

        They did need a primary blocking TE as Devalve and Njoku seem to be more the pass catching variety. Telfer got the axe so Fells fills those shoes. 

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          You read that...wow...the Browns are really going to shock the NFL this year.

          No weaknesses (ok, maybe at LT ?), but serious talent and depth all around.

          except LT.

          dammit.

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          jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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          @calfoxwc said:

          You read that...wow...the Browns are really going to shock the NFL this year.

          No weaknesses (ok, maybe at LT ?), but serious talent and depth all around.

          except LT.

          dammit.

          The irony of having a solid team except for LT isn't lost on me, and it doesn't seem fair that Joe Thomas doesn't get to experience it. Not after the last 2 years. 

          I think we win 4 games outright. Any further victories will come down to pulling out games in the last 5 minutes of the 4th. Something we haven't done in years, and something we need to figure out if ever we're going to make real noise. 

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          • GhoolieG Ghoolie

            @gumby73 said:

            a) were not Pitt..  but Haley should not fall far from 20th'ish of the pack of OC's in the league. Been top 15 since 2012..Haley's talent just has to be coachable talent that executes assignments.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              b) Here's Tyrod's injury history  https://www.sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785  care to take a look at Ben's?(click near bottom) Taylor has played 15 games/season for 3 straight seasons..has the Bills OL ever been famous for anything? maybe it's just our turn that the sky stops falling in C-town..Jaguars had no big injuries last season. Was a big part of their successful season carrying Bortles who sucks, compared to Tyrod Taylor..Taylor just won't have the advantage of practicing against that Jags D.. 

            An OL has very little to do with how good a QB is. All OLmen are lardasses, mostly equal in ability. The difference in OL is not in talent of player but in the ability of the line to play in synch.. It is the offensive weapons and play calling that determines how successful a QB will be, not forgetting his own skills, of course.

            Tie Rod's history has nothing to do with the future. Unless something dramatically changes with our play calling and risk taking, Tie Rod will have to run a lot, and he will get crippled, like RG Tarkenton 3.

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            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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            @ghoolie said:

            An OL has very little to do with how good a QB is. All OLmen are lardasses, mostly equal in ability. The difference in OL is not in talent of player but in the ability of the line to play in synch.. It is the offensive weapons and play calling that determines how successful a QB will be, not forgetting his own skills, of course.

            Tie Rod's history has nothing to do with the future. Unless something dramatically changes with our play calling and risk taking, Tie Rod will have to run a lot, and he will get crippled, like RG Tarkenton 3.

             You are right about an offensive line having to play in synch. That is very important for sure....however, if you have an outstanding DE or LB matched up one on one on a bad LT who is getting de-pantsed regularly, no talented QB or in synch OL is going to cover up for that.

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            • The GipperT The Gipper

              @ghoolie said:

              An OL has very little to do with how good a QB is. All OLmen are lardasses, mostly equal in ability. The difference in OL is not in talent of player but in the ability of the line to play in synch.. It is the offensive weapons and play calling that determines how successful a QB will be, not forgetting his own skills, of course.

              Tie Rod's history has nothing to do with the future. Unless something dramatically changes with our play calling and risk taking, Tie Rod will have to run a lot, and he will get crippled, like RG Tarkenton 3.

               You are right about an offensive line having to play in synch. That is very important for sure....however, if you have an outstanding DE or LB matched up one on one on a bad LT who is getting de-pantsed regularly, no talented QB or in synch OL is going to cover up for that.

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              GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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              @the-gipper said:

               You are right about an offensive line having to play in synch. That is very important for sure....however, if you have an outstanding DE or LB matched up one on one on a bad LT who is getting de-pantsed regularly, no talented QB or in synch OL is going to cover up for that.

              Dallas has 5 first round picks on the OL. They can't do schidt without Elltion. OL men are a dime a dozen. Lardassses.

              The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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              • GhoolieG Ghoolie

                @the-gipper said:

                 You are right about an offensive line having to play in synch. That is very important for sure....however, if you have an outstanding DE or LB matched up one on one on a bad LT who is getting de-pantsed regularly, no talented QB or in synch OL is going to cover up for that.

                Dallas has 5 first round picks on the OL. They can't do schidt without Elltion. OL men are a dime a dozen. Lardassses.

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                @ghoolie said:

                Dallas has 5 first round picks on the OL. They can't do schidt without Elltion. OL men are a dime a dozen. Lardassses.

                And Elliot can't do shite without them.  As you said, they all have to be in synch....the OL and the "skill" players.

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                • The GipperT The Gipper

                  @ghoolie said:

                  Dallas has 5 first round picks on the OL. They can't do schidt without Elltion. OL men are a dime a dozen. Lardassses.

                  And Elliot can't do shite without them.  As you said, they all have to be in synch....the OL and the "skill" players.

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                  GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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                  @the-gipper said:

                  And Elliot can't do shite without them.  As you said, they all have to be in synch....the OL and the "skill" players.

                  Not at all. Skill players make the OL. Next you are going to tell me that it was the fantastic Lions OL that allowed Snaders to do so well. Dude, offensive linemen are the least talented fahkers in all of pro sports. BOTH the Steelers and Patriots won a SB with a walk on OL who never played pro ball before. OL blow.

                  The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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                    LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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                    So you are saying if we had an o line with the talent of cam erving at every position at the line we would be okay?

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                      @the-gipper said:

                      And Elliot can't do shite without them.  As you said, they all have to be in synch....the OL and the "skill" players.

                      Not at all. Skill players make the OL. Next you are going to tell me that it was the fantastic Lions OL that allowed Snaders to do so well. Dude, offensive linemen are the least talented fahkers in all of pro sports. BOTH the Steelers and Patriots won a SB with a walk on OL who never played pro ball before. OL blow.

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      @ghoolie said:

                      Not at all. Skill players make the OL. Next you are going to tell me that it was the fantastic Lions OL that allowed Snaders to do so well. Dude, offensive linemen are the least talented fahkers in all of pro sports. BOTH the Steelers and Patriots won a SB with a walk on OL who never played pro ball before. OL blow.

                      Well then...why don't you take a poll of every QB and every RB in the NFL and ask them if they think they can do it all by themselves without much help from their OLs.   Every single one of them roll on the floor laughing out loud at your suggestion.

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                        So you are saying if we had an o line with the talent of cam erving at every position at the line we would be okay?

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                        @lbc-mike said:

                        So you are saying if we had an o line with the talent of cam erving at every position at the line we would be okay?

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                          gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                          Well, here's a good sight.. https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/07/fbb821b4457813/tyrod-taylor-and-baker-mayfiel.html    Why so cal? https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/07/browns_baker_mayfield_wins_esp.html  

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                            @lbc-mike said:

                            So you are saying if we had an o line with the talent of cam erving at every position at the line we would be okay?

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                            GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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                            @the-gipper said:

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                            No, what I am saying is that the Browns stink and their lack of offensive weapons and originality make any offensive line look like crap.

                            The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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                              @the-gipper said:

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                              No, what I am saying is that the Browns stink and their lack of offensive weapons and originality make any offensive line look like crap.

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                              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                              @ghoolie said:

                              No, what I am saying is that the Browns stink and their lack of offensive weapons and originality make any offensive line look like crap.

                              That was then....this is now.   Browns NOW may in fact have some "lethal weapons" on offense.  Hopefully they do. Landry, Gordon for a full year, hopefully CoCo will improve (not holding breath), Njoku has the innate talent to be one of the best pass catching TEs..he just has to show it.  Duke out of the Backfield,  big back duo of Hyde/Chubb. And hopefully a QB that is not a turnover machine.

                              On paper I think the Browns appear to have some fire power.    But then, the OL must perform. Because while you are right....a lack of offensive weapons can make an offensive line look like crap.....a crappy offensive line can make good offensive weapons look like crap..and we do have some big questions on OL....mainly the two tackle.

                              And now with Haley...and not Hue calling the offensive plays, hopefully you will see more of that originality you are looking for.

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                                gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                                File this as "under the radar" for now..but it could get silly in Zona? https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/5/9/17334184/did-the-arizona-cardinals-find-a-gem-in-undrafted-free-agent-kicker-matt-mccrane-phil-dawson  I'll buy the flight home, if Gip can do a closing on a house..

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                                  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/7/31/17637422/three-under-the-radar-browns-to-watch-as-camp-continues

                                  Another article on under the radar dudes. Denzel Rice mentioned.

                                  How cool would it be to have 2 shutdown Denzels? Dueling Denzels.

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                                    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/7/31/17637422/three-under-the-radar-browns-to-watch-as-camp-continues

                                    Another article on under the radar dudes. Denzel Rice mentioned.

                                    How cool would it be to have 2 shutdown Denzels? Dueling Denzels.

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                                    @ibleedbrown said:

                                    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/7/31/17637422/three-under-the-radar-browns-to-watch-as-camp-continues

                                    Another article on under the radar dudes. Denzel Rice mentioned.

                                    How cool would it be to have 2 shutdown Denzels? Dueling Denzels.

                                    Very interest article on Duke Johnson buried within that one. Seems like they are expanding his receiving role and turning the running over to Hyde and Chubb. Good move!

                                    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/8/1/17639866/cleveland-browns-duke-johnson-embracing-wide-receiver

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