Baker Mayfield
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Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
You beat me to this.
It isn't that Baker might lose games to the Pittsburghs of the world - its the fact that most times he doesn't even look like he should be on the field with them.
I'm seriously asking this to everyone - do you think Pittsburgh or Baltimore is at all scared to play Baker Mayfield? Do you think defensive players on either teams lose one minute of sleep the week leading up to playing against Baker Mayfield? I do not. Baker Mayfield, with OBJ and Jarvis and Hooper and a good OLine and Chubb and Hunt and I still do not think Mayfield scares any good teams one iota. This is the #1 overall pick who is in his third season.
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This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
You beat me to this.
It isn't that Baker might lose games to the Pittsburghs of the world - its the fact that most times he doesn't even look like he should be on the field with them.
I'm seriously asking this to everyone - do you think Pittsburgh or Baltimore is at all scared to play Baker Mayfield? Do you think defensive players on either teams lose one minute of sleep the week leading up to playing against Baker Mayfield? I do not. Baker Mayfield, with OBJ and Jarvis and Hooper and a good OLine and Chubb and Hunt and I still do not think Mayfield scares any good teams one iota. This is the #1 overall pick who is in his third season.
It isn't that Baker might lose games to the Pittsburghs of the world - its the fact that most times he doesn't even look like he should be on the field with them.
I'm seriously asking this to everyone - do you think Pittsburgh or Baltimore is at all scared to play Baker Mayfield?
Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
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We have the worst QB in the division. This shouldn't be.
Burrows is better than Baker already?
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Burrows is better than Baker already?
Absolutely.
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Burrows is better than Baker already?
Absolutely.
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Burrows is better than Baker already?
Absolutely.
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I watched the game as well. How anyone can think Josh Allen is a better QB than Mayfield is beyond me.
Mahomes probably is though ?
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It isn't that Baker might lose games to the Pittsburghs of the world - its the fact that most times he doesn't even look like he should be on the field with them.
I'm seriously asking this to everyone - do you think Pittsburgh or Baltimore is at all scared to play Baker Mayfield?
Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
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Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
What about Mayfield would make them fear him?
The unfortunate thing is that his decision-making and short-to-mid accuracy appeared to be strengths through the draft process. Arm strength.. not so much.
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Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
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Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm
And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV..
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I'd swap Mayfield for Burrows in a heartbeat and take my chances.
I'd rather see a QB take his bumps and bruises his rookie year with a talentless team than be a one year wonder like Mayfield.
Burrows is the typical AFCN North QB. Big at 6'4" 230. Cincy got him, Balt has Lamar, Pitt has Ben and and we got the midget.
Todays QB must be able to pass from the pocket. Mayfield is horrible at it.
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That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
I don't think the Browns should give up on him, because there isn't a better alternative at the present time.
But I do not see anything that makes me think he's going to be anything beyond an Andy Dalton caliber starting QB. I think that's about his ceiling. (Mind you, Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons, but he's also someone who had a limited upside)
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That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm
And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV..
Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm
And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV..
I don't care how a QB puts fear into an opposing team.
Baker doesn't scare anyone with his arm, or his accuracy, or his ability to read defenses, or his overall athletic ability.
He peaked during his rookie season. When teams got film on him, his weaknesses have been exposed.
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I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
I don't think the Browns should give up on him, because there isn't a better alternative at the present time.
But I do not see anything that makes me think he's going to be anything beyond an Andy Dalton caliber starting QB. I think that's about his ceiling. (Mind you, Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons, but he's also someone who had a limited upside)
Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons
All of them with Jay Gruden as OC and a really good OL [whitworth / smith/ boling / zeitler and several C's]
Speaking of Jacksonville [Jay's current team] they are the first team since the 1970 merger to have 5 different players attempt a field goal in 5 consecutive games.
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I'd swap Mayfield for Burrows in a heartbeat and take my chances.
I'd rather see a QB take his bumps and bruises his rookie year with a talentless team than be a one year wonder like Mayfield.
Burrows is the typical AFCN North QB. Big at 6'4" 230. Cincy got him, Balt has Lamar, Pitt has Ben and and we got the midget.
Todays QB must be able to pass from the pocket. Mayfield is horrible at it.
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Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
He might not have the latter at that... certainly has shown a hint of it lately.
But I'm not sure I agree with your take on the early antics... some were shoulder-chip related, some were "youthful exuberance", all were products of an attitude that I thought was real... and still do.
I just see the motivations that brought them out as being extinguished...
It's like how success destroyed every great Punk-rock band... terrible comp, but best I have ATM...
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The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
He might not have the latter at that... certainly has shown a hint of it lately.
But I'm not sure I agree with your take on the early antics... some were shoulder-chip related, some were "youthful exuberance", all were products of an attitude that I thought was real... and still do.
I just see the motivations that brought them out as being extinguished...
It's like how success destroyed every great Punk-rock band... terrible comp, but best I have ATM...
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