Baker Mayfield
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Burrows is better than Baker already?
Absolutely.
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Burrows is better than Baker already?
Absolutely.
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I watched the game as well. How anyone can think Josh Allen is a better QB than Mayfield is beyond me.
Mahomes probably is though ?
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It isn't that Baker might lose games to the Pittsburghs of the world - its the fact that most times he doesn't even look like he should be on the field with them.
I'm seriously asking this to everyone - do you think Pittsburgh or Baltimore is at all scared to play Baker Mayfield?
Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
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Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
What about Mayfield would make them fear him?
The unfortunate thing is that his decision-making and short-to-mid accuracy appeared to be strengths through the draft process. Arm strength.. not so much.
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Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
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Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm
And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV..
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I'd swap Mayfield for Burrows in a heartbeat and take my chances.
I'd rather see a QB take his bumps and bruises his rookie year with a talentless team than be a one year wonder like Mayfield.
Burrows is the typical AFCN North QB. Big at 6'4" 230. Cincy got him, Balt has Lamar, Pitt has Ben and and we got the midget.
Todays QB must be able to pass from the pocket. Mayfield is horrible at it.
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That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
I don't think the Browns should give up on him, because there isn't a better alternative at the present time.
But I do not see anything that makes me think he's going to be anything beyond an Andy Dalton caliber starting QB. I think that's about his ceiling. (Mind you, Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons, but he's also someone who had a limited upside)
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That game is looking more and more like an aberration.
But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception.
I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least.
What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess?
Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm
And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV..
Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm
And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV..
I don't care how a QB puts fear into an opposing team.
Baker doesn't scare anyone with his arm, or his accuracy, or his ability to read defenses, or his overall athletic ability.
He peaked during his rookie season. When teams got film on him, his weaknesses have been exposed.
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I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times.
But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN.
I don't think the Browns should give up on him, because there isn't a better alternative at the present time.
But I do not see anything that makes me think he's going to be anything beyond an Andy Dalton caliber starting QB. I think that's about his ceiling. (Mind you, Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons, but he's also someone who had a limited upside)
Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons
All of them with Jay Gruden as OC and a really good OL [whitworth / smith/ boling / zeitler and several C's]
Speaking of Jacksonville [Jay's current team] they are the first team since the 1970 merger to have 5 different players attempt a field goal in 5 consecutive games.
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I'd swap Mayfield for Burrows in a heartbeat and take my chances.
I'd rather see a QB take his bumps and bruises his rookie year with a talentless team than be a one year wonder like Mayfield.
Burrows is the typical AFCN North QB. Big at 6'4" 230. Cincy got him, Balt has Lamar, Pitt has Ben and and we got the midget.
Todays QB must be able to pass from the pocket. Mayfield is horrible at it.
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Vag the Magnanimous?
I'll take it... as you have a right to a different attytude...
Agree with your props to Baker for playing hurt, but my concerns go deeper. Somewhere along the line he's lost his edge... his fire... the chip on his shoulder.
I wrote this minutes ago in another thread in reply to OBJ leading a little sideline gathering...
This isn't going to be popular but ill say it... The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
Some will read this and be mad, real ones will read it and go "damn, you're right"
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
He might not have the latter at that... certainly has shown a hint of it lately.
But I'm not sure I agree with your take on the early antics... some were shoulder-chip related, some were "youthful exuberance", all were products of an attitude that I thought was real... and still do.
I just see the motivations that brought them out as being extinguished...
It's like how success destroyed every great Punk-rock band... terrible comp, but best I have ATM...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do.
It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter.
He might not have the latter at that... certainly has shown a hint of it lately.
But I'm not sure I agree with your take on the early antics... some were shoulder-chip related, some were "youthful exuberance", all were products of an attitude that I thought was real... and still do.
I just see the motivations that brought them out as being extinguished...
It's like how success destroyed every great Punk-rock band... terrible comp, but best I have ATM...
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Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm
And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV..
I don't care how a QB puts fear into an opposing team.
Baker doesn't scare anyone with his arm, or his accuracy, or his ability to read defenses, or his overall athletic ability.
He peaked during his rookie season. When teams got film on him, his weaknesses have been exposed.
I don't care how a QB puts fear into an opposing team.
Baker doesn't scare anyone with his arm, or his accuracy, or his ability to read defenses, or his overall athletic ability.
He peaked during his rookie season. When teams got film on him, his weaknesses have been exposed.
? If you don’t care how many NFL Qb’s scare other defenses then what is the point of bringing it up?
My point is... if there is about a total of 3 QB’s that can take over games with the list you put together.... how do these other teams win games and make playoffs? For the last 21 years they have had nothing that even resembles an NFL QB outside of Derek Anderson for about a 10 game stretch and the way people talk on this board, unless you end up with the next Patrick Mahomes (who has Andy Reid btw) you should just flip the whole thing upside down and live in the basement until you can draft one.
As a Browns fan, I’ll take a massive hard pass on flipping out a QB that broke the rookie TD record in 14 games, and is on pace to be one of three people in NFL history to throw for 3500 yards and 25+ TD’s in his first three season, With the offensive guru Hue Jackson and then Gregg Williams, and then Freddie “Moons Over My Hammy” Kitchens at the helm....so they can draft another maybe in the first round when they have glaring holes all over the place on defense.
The kid posts over 100 QBR’s and rips off four wins in a season after an abortion and now having a rookie head coach, and people all over this board Stomping their feet and bitching how we could have had Josh Allen, who I just watched miss open receivers by 5-10 yards with 122 yards then complaining how great Joe Burrow is with 6 TD’s in 6 games throwing the ball 60 times a game going 1-4-1...
I've been around This place since 2006 and there is possibly more sand in V’s now than there was the seasons they won 1 game in two years.... AND Ghoolie was still here
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New wrinkle last couple of seasons is presnap motion changing the blocking assignments & run fits on the fly.
It's not just that a play is a run.. it's how the plays are designed. That's why Rams are getting an effective running game out of UDFA's at RB.
Could be that Stef's plays from the last few years are too predictable - need to include some of these ideas and overcome.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
A team isn't going to have traditional running back handoffs as a foundation of offensive success in 2020, so let's throw that nonsense out right now.
Niners
Titans
Rams
Raiders
Window dressing aside pre-snap with run fit changes and such... You're absolutely dead wrong.
You're late though, I expected you to have this thread made by 6pm yesterday.
I'm still waiting on answers to my questions I proposed in your last thread. Then, as expected, you went MIA until the Browns lost. Nearly an entire month.
Pathetically fucking predictable.
You're not a Browns fan, you're a troll who can't answer questions with your own football I.Q. without standing on the shoulders of others. And you STILL can't give high level explanations on exactly what this team needs to do concept wise to ease Bakers passing struggles.
You're late though, I expected you to have this thread made by 6pm yesterday.
I'm still waiting on answers to my questions I proposed in your last thread. Then, as expected, you went MIA until the Browns lost. Nearly an entire month.
Pathetically fucking predictable.
I just scrolled through this thread just to find if someone else had already said this.
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Our team literally is at pace to make the playoffs, and you guys are trying to write off Baker when his ribs are messed up, we're missing lineman, and he plays one off game against a 4-0 team.... Look at the entire season, not just one game. We have one of the most deadly rushing attacks, so his stats won't be 5 TDs 500 yards every week. Rodgers and other QB's have off games, and most of you are forgetting, it's only his third season. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre weren't the killing gunslingers until later on. Let the kid get his chance this year, I still believe in him.
Our team literally is at pace to make the playoffs, and you guys are trying to write off Baker when his ribs are messed up, we're missing lineman, and he plays one off game against a 4-0 team.... Look at the entire season, not just one game. We have one of the most deadly rushing attacks, so his stats won't be 5 TDs 500 yards every week. Rodgers and other QB's have off games, and most of you are forgetting, it's only his third season. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre weren't the killing gunslingers until later on. Let the kid get his chance this year, I still believe in him.
Long time no see...!
Guys, this was the one that said we should take Mayfield! Bring the torches!
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New wrinkle last couple of seasons is presnap motion changing the blocking assignments & run fits on the fly.
It's not just that a play is a run.. it's how the plays are designed. That's why Rams are getting an effective running game out of UDFA's at RB.
Could be that Stef's plays from the last few years are too predictable - need to include some of these ideas and overcome.
New wrinkle last couple of seasons is presnap motion changing the blocking assignments & run fits on the fly.
It's not just that a play is a run.. it's how the plays are designed. That's why Rams are getting an effective running game out of UDFA's at RB.
Could be that Stef's plays from the last few years are too predictable - need to include some of these ideas and overcome.
I appreciate you linking that. The run fit/assignment changes from the motion is what i mentioned above. This brings actual video example of what I'm saying.
Thank you for the find.
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