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  • @texasag1969 said:

    According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

    One bad side of town or neighborhood or suburb can kind of ruin things for a ciy or region happens now all over the world.

    Just look at South Chicago or the east side of Cleveland or South Central LA or many other cities now. 

    @mjp28 said:

    One bad side of town or neighborhood or suburb can kind of ruin things for a ciy or region happens now all over the world.

    Just look at South Chicago or the east side of Cleveland or South Central LA or many other cities now. 

    There are areas of Houston and Dallas I would definitely have on my concealed 9mm (I have the license to carry).

  • Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

  • Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

    You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

    You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

    @the-gipper said:

    You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

    Not likely.

  • @the-gipper said:

    You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

    Not likely.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Not likely.

    YeahYeah

  • Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

    There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

    There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

    @mjp28 said:

    There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

    Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

  • @mjp28 said:

    There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

    Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

    The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

  • @the-gipper said:

    Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

    The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

    @texasag1969 said:

    The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

    Yep, been there to the Big Thicket.

  • Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?  

    Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

    1. Plano, Texas
    2. Irvine, California
    3. Madison, Wisconsin
    4. Fremont, California
    5. Huntington Beach, California
    6. Fargo, North Dakota
    7. Grand Prairie, Texas
    8. San Jose, California
    9. Scottsdale, Arizona
    10. San Francisco, California
    11. Bismarck, North Dakota
    12. Overland Park, Kansas
    13. Santa Rosa, California
    14. Austin, Texas
    15. Sioux Falls, South Dakota
    16. Pearl City, Hawaii
    17. Glendale, California
    18. San Diego, California
    19. St. Paul, Minnesota
    20. Charleston, South Carolina

    20 Unhappiest Cities in America

    1. Detroit, Michigan
    2. Toledo, Ohio
    3. Charleston, West Virginia
    4. Birmingham, Alabama
    5. Cleveland, Ohio
    6. Gulfport, Mississippi
    7. Little Rock, Arkansas
    8. Huntington, West Virginia
    9. Newark, New Jersey
    10. Mobile, Alabama
    11. Augusta, Georgia
    12. St. Louis, Missouri
    13. Fort Smith, Arkansas
    14. Cincinnati, Ohio
    15. Akron, Ohio
    16. Fayetteville, North Carolina
    17. Columbus, Georgia
    18. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    19. Memphis, Tennessee
    20. Shreveport, Louisiana

    @mjp28 said:

    Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?  

    Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

    1. Plano, Texas
    2. Irvine, California
    3. Madison, Wisconsin
    4. Fremont, California
    5. Huntington Beach, California
    6. Fargo, North Dakota
    7. Grand Prairie, Texas
    8. San Jose, California
    9. Scottsdale, Arizona
    10. San Francisco, California
    11. Bismarck, North Dakota
    12. Overland Park, Kansas
    13. Santa Rosa, California
    14. Austin, Texas
    15. Sioux Falls, South Dakota
    16. Pearl City, Hawaii
    17. Glendale, California
    18. San Diego, California
    19. St. Paul, Minnesota
    20. Charleston, South Carolina

    20 Unhappiest Cities in America

    1. Detroit, Michigan
    2. Toledo, Ohio
    3. Charleston, West Virginia
    4. Birmingham, Alabama
    5. Cleveland, Ohio
    6. Gulfport, Mississippi
    7. Little Rock, Arkansas
    8. Huntington, West Virginia
    9. Newark, New Jersey
    10. Mobile, Alabama
    11. Augusta, Georgia
    12. St. Louis, Missouri
    13. Fort Smith, Arkansas
    14. Cincinnati, Ohio
    15. Akron, Ohio
    16. Fayetteville, North Carolina
    17. Columbus, Georgia
    18. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    19. Memphis, Tennessee
    20. Shreveport, Louisiana

    How was happiness or unhappiness measured what did they use a massive mood ring. 

  • So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

    WSS

  • So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

    WSS

    Not sure what you are referring to. 

  • @westside-steve said:

    So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

    WSS

    Not sure what you are referring to. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Not sure what you are referring to. 

    The guy that wrote the second Post in this thread.

    Has contributed one post and that's the bitch about Cleveland I'm smelling troll.

    WSS

  • Can't argue with what he posted ..

    It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

  • AxeA Axe

    Can't argue with what he posted ..

    It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

    @axe said:

    Can't argue with what he posted ..

    It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

    The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

    Again...here are the criteria that the article he posted used:

    Our Misery Measure takes into account:

    unemployment,

    taxes (both sales and income),

    commute times,

    violent crime

    and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge

    weather and

    Superfund pollution sites.  (Superfund sites are ground pollution issues. Why is not air and water pollution a factor as well?

    Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.  (I am trying to figure out how this particular matter has anything to do with overall happiness)

    I guess I could go through these all again and demonstrate how Cleveland is NOT anywhere near at the top of these lists than many, many other cities. 

    If I were to get updated to 2018 data....similar to what I had put on here before, again, I can guarantee that a city like San Diego suffers even worse in all these categories than does Cleveland.  Hell...as I said, they had another sports team leave town....where Cleveland had teams in the sports championship finals 5 times in the last  5-6 years. 

  • Unemployment for 2019:

    https://www.bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm

    Cleveland at  4.7%.  About average for all US metro areas.

    All of the following had higher:

    Danville, IL Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.7 308

    Elizabethtown-Fort Knox, KY Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.7 308

    New Bern, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.7 308

    Waterbury, CT Metropolitan NECTA

    4.7 308

    Wheeling, WV-OH Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.7 308

    Clarksville, TN-KY Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.8 316

    Goldsboro, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.8 316

    Greensboro-High Point, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.8 316

    Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.8 316

    Memphis, TN-MS-AR Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.8 316

    Salinas, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.8 316

    Scranton--Wilkes-Barre--Hazleton, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.8 316

    Baton Rouge, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.9 323

    East Stroudsburg, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.9 323

    Prescott, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

    4.9 323

    Bay City, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.0 326

    Beckley, WV Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.0 326

    Decatur, IL Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.0 326

    New Orleans-Metairie, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.0 326

    Tucson, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.0 326

    Grants Pass, OR Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.1 331

    Saginaw, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.1 331

    Sebring, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.1 331

    Walla Walla, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.1 331

    Bremerton-Silverdale, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Chico, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Greenville, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Hattiesburg, MS Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Homosassa Springs, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Houma-Thibodaux, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Lafayette, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Parkersburg-Vienna, WV Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    The Villages, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.2 335

    Albuquerque, NM Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.3 344

    Jackson, MS Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.3 344

    Jacksonville, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.3 344

    Johnstown, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.3 344

    Kennewick-Richland, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.3 344

    Olympia-Tumwater, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.3 344

    Rockford, IL Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.3 344

    Bellingham, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.4 351

    Fairbanks, AK Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.4 351

    Flint, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.4 351

    Huntington-Ashland, WV-KY-OH Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.4 351

    Pine Bluff, AR Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.4 351

    Weirton-Steubenville, WV-OH Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.5 356

    Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.6 357

    Brownsville-Harlingen, TX Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.6 357

    Spokane-Spokane Valley, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.6 357

    Youngstown-Warren-Boardman, OH-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.6 357

    Alexandria, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.7 361

    Anchorage, AK Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.7 361

    Fayetteville, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.7 361

    Shreveport-Bossier City, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.7 361

    Monroe, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.8 365

    Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.8 365

    Cumberland, MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.9 367

    Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula, MS Metropolitan Statistical Area

    5.9 367

    Stockton-Lodi, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.0 369

    Flagstaff, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.1 370

    Rocky Mount, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.1 370

    Hammond, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.2 372

    McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.2 372

    Yakima, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.2 372

    Farmington, NM Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.3 375

    Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.3 375

    Las Cruces, NM Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.3 375

    Sierra Vista-Douglas, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.3 375

    Modesto, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.5 379

    Longview, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.7 380

    Yuba City, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    6.7 380

    Madera, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    7.0 382

    Fresno, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    7.1 383

    Hanford-Corcoran, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    7.9 384

    Bakersfield, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    8.0 385

    Merced, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    8.1 386

    Visalia-Porterville, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    9.1 387

    El Centro, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

    18.6 388

    Yuma, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

  • Commute times:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/worst-commutes-in-us-ranked-2019-6

    Cleveland not in the Top 50 of worst commute times

  • Superfund/pollution:

    This website gives the worst cities in America...combining groud/water/air

    https://www.forbes.com/2011/02/28/most-toxic-cities-personal-finance_slide.html#199bcecb49a8

    Cleveland NOT listed.

  • Sports "misery".   

    While Cleveland could have had this claim for a while....it is no longer the case:

    Cavs  4 straight finals and a title.  Indians in the World Series.

    Compare to these:  

    San Diego...no title since 1963.  Two teams left town.   Clippers/Chargers

    Buffalo...no title since 1965.

    Milwaukee...no title since 1971....unless you count the Packers

    Portland...not title since 1977

    Salt Lake City....no title since early 70s

    While these are newer markets....places like Charlotte/Nashville/Memphis/Orlando/Jacksonville/Las Vegas/OK City/ and others have never had a team win a title.