Our Next Coach Will Be?
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i knew of gruden when going to sandusky HS. he was no tough guy then. i think he might have taken his napolean complex and turned into this 'chucky' persona. i don't think he's a great coach. if you think billick was lucky then put gruden up there with him.
no one on that list excites me so i didn't vote (there should be a select button for 'none of the above').
i agree with someone in another post that we should hire marty schottenheimer as president (see ya fat boy!) and let him figure out the rest. i wouldn't however flush everyone out who is a part of this coaching squad. i'd keep jauron and any other coach who has proven themselves (shurmur and childress got to go) and i'd keep heckert.
there's something ingrained in this WC style offense we play that just falls flat.
edit: well i just read about banner replacing holmgren, so the schottenheimer reference is null and void. another idea shattered. lol.
i knew of gruden when going to sandusky HS. he was no tough guy then. i think he might have taken his napolean complex and turned into this 'chucky' persona. i don't think he's a great coach. if you think billick was lucky then put gruden up there with him.
no one on that list excites me so i didn't vote (there should be a select button for 'none of the above').
i agree with someone in another post that we should hire marty schottenheimer as president (see ya fat boy!) and let him figure out the rest. i wouldn't however flush everyone out who is a part of this coaching squad. i'd keep jauron and any other coach who has proven themselves (shurmur and childress got to go) and i'd keep heckert.
there's something ingrained in this WC style offense we play that just falls flat.
edit: well i just read about banner replacing holmgren, so the schottenheimer reference is null and void. another idea shattered. lol.
There is the option to pick "other"
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i knew of gruden when going to sandusky HS. he was no tough guy then. i think he might have taken his napolean complex and turned into this 'chucky' persona. i don't think he's a great coach. if you think billick was lucky then put gruden up there with him.
no one on that list excites me so i didn't vote (there should be a select button for 'none of the above').
i agree with someone in another post that we should hire marty schottenheimer as president (see ya fat boy!) and let him figure out the rest. i wouldn't however flush everyone out who is a part of this coaching squad. i'd keep jauron and any other coach who has proven themselves (shurmur and childress got to go) and i'd keep heckert.
there's something ingrained in this WC style offense we play that just falls flat.
edit: well i just read about banner replacing holmgren, so the schottenheimer reference is null and void. another idea shattered. lol.
There is the option to pick "other"
There is the option to pick "other"
thanks. didn't see it.
at the time of my vote it's interesting to see that 'gruden' and 'other' are neck and neck.
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And the Texans with a MASH unit won in the playoffs, Ratbirds go to SB if Evans holds onto ball and 9ers are in if Ginn is returning punts.. All these teams have top defenses in the league and outside of Hou, a bunch of soso O's...
"All these teams have top defenses" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since 2000 only the Ravens in 2000 had a "GREAT" defense.
You say the ratbirds woulda shoulda but didn't and the 49ers woulda shoulda. but didn't.... If that's the case the Browns would be 1-0. Afterall we should have intercepted that pass Vick threw.................................
Anyone can get to the playoffs, hell the Bungles got there last year. And they will be lucky to win 6 games this year
"All these teams have top defenses" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since 2000 only the Ravens in 2000 had a "GREAT" defense.
You say the ratbirds woulda shoulda but didn't and the 49ers woulda shoulda. but didn't.... If that's the case the Browns would be 1-0. Afterall we should have intercepted that pass Vick threw.................................
Anyone can get to the playoffs, hell the Bungles got there last year. And they will be lucky to win 6 games this year
The 2002 Bucs had a better defense than the Ravens did ya idiot.
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Rick Dennison OC of Houston.
Linebacker Denver Broncos 82-90
Special Teams Coach,Offensive Line Coach,Offensive Coordinator Denver 95-2008
Offensive Coordinator Houston 2010- Present
1000 yard rushers coached under Dennison
Terrel Davis
Tatum Bell
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Clinton Portis
Arian Foster
Ben Tate 942*
Bring in John Benton current Texans O-Line coach also a long time student of the zone blocking scheme to run the Offense.
And bring in Bernie as our new GM.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
"All these teams have top defenses" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since 2000 only the Ravens in 2000 had a "GREAT" defense.
You say the ratbirds woulda shoulda but didn't and the 49ers woulda shoulda. but didn't.... If that's the case the Browns would be 1-0. Afterall we should have intercepted that pass Vick threw.................................
Anyone can get to the playoffs, hell the Bungles got there last year. And they will be lucky to win 6 games this year
The 2002 Bucs had a better defense than the Ravens did ya idiot.
The 2002 Bucs had a better defense than the Ravens did ya idiot.
I would not agree with that. They were close, but the 2000 Ravens I think would rank better.
Also, the 2005 Steelers defense would be in that conversation of best defenses since 2000.
The problem with trying to rate the "best defense" of all time is the age old problem of "different eras" having different rules or different philosophies.
E.g. There were massive rule changes in the late 70s/early 80s geared toward improving offensive output. Some of the greatest defenses we all know: Steel Curtain/Purple People Eaters/Fearsome Foursome/Grits Blitz/Doomsday etc. of the 60s/70s were able to bump and run down the field...able to use the head slap...able to pummel QBs almost at will
..all of which would be penalties today.
And even going back. In the early years it was quite common to have a 0-0 tie. I am curious when the last time a game ended 0-0. A shutout of any kind is rare today. Offenses were not as adept then.
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Rick Dennison OC of Houston.
Linebacker Denver Broncos 82-90
Special Teams Coach,Offensive Line Coach,Offensive Coordinator Denver 95-2008
Offensive Coordinator Houston 2010- Present
1000 yard rushers coached under Dennison
Terrel Davis
Tatum Bell
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Clinton Portis
Arian Foster
Ben Tate 942*
Bring in John Benton current Texans O-Line coach also a long time student of the zone blocking scheme to run the Offense.
And bring in Bernie as our new GM.
Rick Dennison OC of Houston.
Linebacker Denver Broncos 82-90
Special Teams Coach,Offensive Line Coach,Offensive Coordinator Denver 95-2008
Offensive Coordinator Houston 2010- Present
1000 yard rushers coached under Dennison
Terrel Davis
Tatum Bell
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Clinton Portis
Arian Foster
Ben Tate 942*
Bring in John Benton current Texans O-Line coach also a long time student of the zone blocking scheme to run the Offense.
And bring in Bernie as our new GM.
sounds good as long as bernie stays off the sauce.
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"All these teams have top defenses" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since 2000 only the Ravens in 2000 had a "GREAT" defense.
You say the ratbirds woulda shoulda but didn't and the 49ers woulda shoulda. but didn't.... If that's the case the Browns would be 1-0. Afterall we should have intercepted that pass Vick threw.................................
Anyone can get to the playoffs, hell the Bungles got there last year. And they will be lucky to win 6 games this year
The 2002 Bucs had a better defense than the Ravens did ya idiot.
The 2002 Bucs had a better defense than the Ravens did ya idiot.
The Bucs D was good, but the Ratbirds were WAY better. Balt gave up 23 points total in 4 playoff games, TB gave up 37 points in 3 playoff games. Balt allowed an NFL record 60 rushing yards a game.
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The 2002 Bucs had a better defense than the Ravens did ya idiot.
The Bucs D was good, but the Ratbirds were WAY better. Balt gave up 23 points total in 4 playoff games, TB gave up 37 points in 3 playoff games. Balt allowed an NFL record 60 rushing yards a game.
The Bucs D was good, but the Ratbirds were WAY better. Balt gave up 23 points total in 4 playoff games, TB gave up 37 points in 3 playoff games. Balt allowed an NFL record 60 rushing yards a game.
Let us not forget the 1985 Bears. No discussion of the greatest defense ever is complete without them. They are pretty much consensus #1.
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Do the harbaughs have another brother? Hire him.
Do the harbaughs have another brother? Hire him.
A Harbaugh sister would be better then what we have now
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Rick Dennison OC of Houston.
Linebacker Denver Broncos 82-90
Special Teams Coach,Offensive Line Coach,Offensive Coordinator Denver 95-2008
Offensive Coordinator Houston 2010- Present
1000 yard rushers coached under Dennison
Terrel Davis
Tatum Bell
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Clinton Portis
Arian Foster
Ben Tate 942*
Bring in John Benton current Texans O-Line coach also a long time student of the zone blocking scheme to run the Offense.
And bring in Bernie as our new GM.
Rick Dennison OC of Houston.
Linebacker Denver Broncos 82-90
Special Teams Coach,Offensive Line Coach,Offensive Coordinator Denver 95-2008
Offensive Coordinator Houston 2010- Present
1000 yard rushers coached under Dennison
Terrel Davis
Tatum Bell
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Clinton Portis
Arian Foster
Ben Tate 942*
Bring in John Benton current Texans O-Line coach also a long time student of the zone blocking scheme to run the Offense.
And bring in Bernie as our new GM.
Thats a good one. IMHO we should keep Jauron and all of the defensive coaches. He showed last yr that he deserves the job. But, we desperately need an offensive-minded HC and better position coaches. Holmgren had the right idea with Shurmur but he just seems like an idiot. And, Childress is useless as well. Neither one of these guys can call plays.
Bring in a HC to coach and an OC to call plays. That's the way it should be. I like the guy from Houston... as an OC but we need a true motivator HC to inspire this team that's been like a bump on a log for too long.
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Rick Dennison OC of Houston.
Linebacker Denver Broncos 82-90
Special Teams Coach,Offensive Line Coach,Offensive Coordinator Denver 95-2008
Offensive Coordinator Houston 2010- Present
1000 yard rushers coached under Dennison
Terrel Davis
Tatum Bell
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Clinton Portis
Arian Foster
Ben Tate 942*
Bring in John Benton current Texans O-Line coach also a long time student of the zone blocking scheme to run the Offense.
And bring in Bernie as our new GM.
Thats a good one. IMHO we should keep Jauron and all of the defensive coaches. He showed last yr that he deserves the job. But, we desperately need an offensive-minded HC and better position coaches. Holmgren had the right idea with Shurmur but he just seems like an idiot. And, Childress is useless as well. Neither one of these guys can call plays.
Bring in a HC to coach and an OC to call plays. That's the way it should be. I like the guy from Houston... as an OC but we need a true motivator HC to inspire this team that's been like a bump on a log for too long.
Thats a good one. IMHO we should keep Jauron and all of the defensive coaches. He showed last yr that he deserves the job. But, we desperately need an offensive-minded HC and better position coaches. Holmgren had the right idea with Shurmur but he just seems like an idiot. And, Childress is useless as well. Neither one of these guys can call plays.
Bring in a HC to coach and an OC to call plays. That's the way it should be. I like the guy from Houston... as an OC but we need a true motivator HC to inspire this team that's been like a bump on a log for too long.
i agree with everything you said.
now here's the question: who would you pick as the next HC?
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Nobody is going anywhere, not right now anyways. Is it that much of a surprise that it's NOW, on the cusp of us turning the corner and taking the playoffs by storm, imposing our will on defense and hitting the offense with big plays, when once we turn this around the Browns product will skyrocket. Just look at what Hillis did in one OKAY year! Everyone wants to see the Browns stomp ass. We're in the right direction and Haslam is just the first to make a bid... there will be more.
The Cleveland Browns are one of the biggest and best franchises in all of sports.
The Browns will start to win... now.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I didn't vote as I am elated that we are starting a relationship with a passionate OWNER who is also a football FAN. I totally trust what he will do. That being said, I have seen NO ONE able to dissect a play or situation better than Bernie Kosar & am hoping there is a place in the Haslam/Browns' family for this brilliant football mind.
To once again use one of MY favorite sayings (inherited from Dad)......"We'll see".
Mike
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Nobody is going anywhere, not right now anyways. Is it that much of a surprise that it's NOW, on the cusp of us turning the corner and taking the playoffs by storm, imposing our will on defense and hitting the offense with big plays, when once we turn this around the Browns product will skyrocket. Just look at what Hillis did in one OKAY year! Everyone wants to see the Browns stomp ass. We're in the right direction and Haslam is just the first to make a bid... there will be more.
The Cleveland Browns are one of the biggest and best franchises in all of sports.
The Browns will start to win... now.
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The train is just getting started, but once he gets some momentum, what's going to stop the train?
Our O-line will respond. They've been blocking for Hardesty and Jackson for the last month. They are not the same caliber of runningback as Richardson is. He will INSPIRE them with his die-hard running and never giving up on a play. They will gel very soon and with a player like 33 behind them it will push them so much harder and then consistency comes in where they will know what is the best point of attack for TRENT to hit them on... do you know what I'm sayin? Let's get some coals in the furnace and get this train moving!!! Go Browns.
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They guy who posts videos on here and pronounces it HOLMGRUM. He really seems to have it together.
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Do the harbaughs have another brother? Hire him.
Just scrolling through to post this exact comment.... too late...
As for the rest...
I'm not a Gruden fan. He won with an inherited TB team and then tore it apart. Too volatile for my taste.
Saban has burned his NFL bridges as far as I am concerned with the way he fucked over the Fins. Besides he has all the spotlight and $$$ he needs at Bama.
I think Cowher is interesting. I have no doubt that his fire would reignite in a heart beat. And vs Gruden I think it's the right amount of fire. Plus if he doesn't take a job soon, the calls will dwindle to zero...
Billick - Nothing there but ego...
Reid - Why go after another "can't do it" retread?
Mooch - no
Holmgren - hell no...
What about Jim Tressel? Always thought he was cast in the mold of Bill Walsh, and in the NFL there are no rules against free tattoos...
Just scrolling through to post this exact comment.... too late...
As for the rest...
I'm not a Gruden fan. He won with an inherited TB team and then tore it apart. Too volatile for my taste.
Saban has burned his NFL bridges as far as I am concerned with the way he fucked over the Fins. Besides he has all the spotlight and $$$ he needs at Bama.
I think Cowher is interesting. I have no doubt that his fire would reignite in a heart beat. And vs Gruden I think it's the right amount of fire. Plus if he doesn't take a job soon, the calls will dwindle to zero...
Billick - Nothing there but ego...
Reid - Why go after another "can't do it" retread?
Mooch - no
Holmgren - hell no...
What about Jim Tressel? Always thought he was cast in the mold of Bill Walsh, and in the NFL there are no rules against free tattoos...
No way on Tressel. I loved him at Ohio State, but I hated his offense. Ohio State gave me hear palpatations all the time with their nail biter wins all the time. He's to conservative IMO.
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When was Shurmur ever a hot assistant? lol
I agree with the point some people have made before on these boards in that some of these guys like Cowher,Gruden etc. have lost their fire.
Honestly I think Gruden is a bit overrated anyhow, he won the Superbowl with Dungy's team.
I would rather us get our own guy who is hungry and ready to make a name for himself rather than trying to latch onto some has been.
Just please let it be some guy with passion and an attitude , not one of these dull mr. nice guy pussies we always hire.
Mangini was about the only guy we hired who actually had us playing some tough football, maybe part of that was Rob Ryan you got to love his enthusiasm.
I'm still liking the O-Line guys and O-coordinator from Houston.
They know the zone blocking running scheme from Alex Gibbs,Gary Kubiak that turns every running back into a pro-bowler and it would fit like a glove with Richardson.
I would agree Cowher has lost his fire, but Gruden is stll BURNING HOT AS HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tough football doesn't win anymore............. The last "TOUGH" football team that won a Superbowl was the 2000-2001 Ravens. The Stoolers have won it since then, but they didn't win ANYTHING until the rapist started throwing the ball.
To win in 2012 and beyond, the winner needs a GREAT offense.
It's no surprise the worst defensive teams last year ( New England, Green Bay) had the best records. And the worst rushing offensive team ( GIANTS ) actually won the Superbowl. It's all about the QB and the men catching the ball.
It's no surprise the worst defensive teams last year ( New England, Green Bay) had the best records. And the worst rushing offensive team ( GIANTS ) actually won the Superbowl. It's all about the QB and the men catching the ball.
You are only looking at a few statistics so your conclusion is very biased. New England and Green Bay may have given up the most yardage last year but also forced the most turnovers. So were they truly the worst two defenses in the league last year?
Also, the giants had a terrible rushing game the first half of the season and then turned it on the last 5 games of the season and through the playoffs. IMO Their 9-7 record shows that had their rushing game been as effective as it was late in the season, they would have won more regular season games. The giants would not have won the Super Bowl had their running game not improved (And don't forget their solid defense).
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
He is a fucking phony, He is a TV announcer, What next, you are going to tell us how much " FIRE" Brent Mussberger or Bob Costas has?
GRUDEN IS NOT A FOOTBALL MAN................... HE IS A TELEVISION MAN. That is the choice HE MADE. What kind of fire is that?
I agree with the fact the fact that Gruden has lost his fire, but he is not a football man ? The guy has been a headcoach for 10 years. The guy has won the superbowl once and been the divisional championship once with a different team. Only once in his head coaching span was he 4 - 12. He has over the decade done more in the NFL than the returning Browns franchise.
He may lack the fire but he sure sounds like a football guy to me.
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How can people assume they know that any former-now-on-tv-ex-NFL-coach has lost his fire. Because they moved to TV? That's not a legit reason to assume so. I'd take a dead lifeless Cowher over Shurmur. Embalm that frickin' chin and put it on the sideline and as the team comes out they can rub it for inspiration alone. That would be better than Shurmur calling plays... Teams runs out and yells "For the Chin"...
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