Hoyer

Manzier

@westside-steve said:

So hope is no longer a plan.

Well then. ..

WSS

When hope fails you, theres always plan B.

Pray

Both are good plans when it's all you got..

jcam222

@tacosman said:

Look I'm not going to stoop to your level....I know you are trying to bait me into it, but I'd just rather not.

Manziel is the guy, and as a highly regarded first round draft pick he's going to get awhile. Let's come together to root for him together.

Listen I am not trying to bait you into anything. Your posts have been BELOW my level from the first one on. As far as being a highly regarded first round pick that is also pretty debatable. There is a good chance he would have made it into the 2nd round if we hadn't drafted him. There are plenty of QB "experts" with more football smarts than you or I who do not believe he is that good. yes I realize there are those that do as well. Bottom line is if you want to preach your Manziel mantra that's fine. You however have no right to come in here and talk about Browns fans not having patience. In addition position what you post as your personal feeling and conjecture as opposed to acting like its fact and you are an insider. I WAS rooting for him until I saw a game from him that showed he was clearly ill prepared and completely out of his league. I also believe the reports of him not taking preparation seriously until this week. When the guy steps on the field and makes it appear as though he prepared and at least has some NFL potential I will root for him personally. In the meantime I will root for the team as a whole like I always do.

Tobalaz

I believe had he received support without every fool in Ohio breathing down his neck he'd have had us at 10-6 by the season's end.

Tour2ma

@tobalaz said:
I believe had he received support without every fool in Ohio breathing down his neck he'd have had us at 10-6 by the season's end.

Sometimes a pronoun doesn't cut it...

@tacosman said:
I think we have a long way to go as a team. But stability at the qb position, which we have now, is one plus at least.

Told y'all this one was not as bright as StockBoy.

@bbedward said:
He may prefer to leave if he has a better chance to start somewhere else though.

I believe he is a man of his word, so that would be the case.

That said his odds of starting in CLE next year did get a boost recently.

jcam222

@tacosman said:
What we saw today was not a good game by our qb. A bad game from a position which is now stable though.

You either need to take your meds or you are a straight up troll , maybe both.

Unsympathetic

First round next year will be DL&LB. Second round will be OL.

We already have next yr's backup on the roster: Connor Shaw.

If JF sucks, it's Connor Cook time in 2016.

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:
So hope is no longer a plan.

Forgot to ask, "Is it ever?"

Westside Steve

@tour2ma said:
Forgot to ask, "Is it ever?"

Yes it certainly should be.

And, IMO, I think it could be a better plan than burning everything down and rebuilding every season or two.

WSS

berniedenslow

Hi, I'm Jimmy Hasbeen, owner of the Browns, and I like to rebuild every 6 months!

Westside Steve

@berniedenslow said:
Hi, I'm Jimmy Hasbeen, owner of the Browns, and I like to rebuild every 6 months!

And that might be one of the rare times I've been okay with the quick trigger. From what I've heard Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi duo was forced on the Browns by the league.

I think either by luck or by forethought Jimmy made a good decision with the coach and front office.

WSS

tiamat63

@westside-steve said:

And that might be one of the rare times I've been okay with the quick trigger. From what I've heard Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi duo was forced on the Browns by the league.

I think either by luck or by forethought Jimmy made a good decision with the coach and front office.

WSS

Not at all. That was Haslam's error from day one. He hired Banner knowing full well that eventually Lombardi would be brought on board. Him getting rid of both - let's just say Cleveland fans owe thanks to Peyton Manning.

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:

Yes it certainly should be.

And, IMO, I think it could be a better plan than burning everything down and rebuilding every season or two.

I'd say "hope" is the worst plan in the world... if it qualified as a plan.

But if it was a plan, then it might be second only to the annual burn-down in a list of worsts. Of course, when you are repeatedly burning down an org, it is usually followed by hoping you do better this next time.

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:

And that might be one of the rare times I've been okay with the quick trigger. From what I've heard Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi duo was forced on the Browns by the league.

I think either by luck or by forethought Jimmy made a good decision with the coach and front office.

Yes, forced and, yes, a great call by Jimmy to flush the pair of them.

However, I would not attribute his decision to luck or forethought. While I think he liked neither the arm's length they imposed nor the decisions they made, e.g., Chud, I believe at the core of his reorg decision was a CEO's hatred of a padded Org Chart.

Clear lines of authority and responsibility are a CEO's wet dream. Banner and Lombo muddied up the lines.

Also did not hurt that he likely saw talent in Farmer and Pet.

Just my $0.02.

jcam222

@berniedenslow said:
Hi, I'm Jimmy Hasbeen, owner of the Browns, and I like to rebuild every 6 months!

The sad thing is based on the content of your posting you probably do believe you're him. Who do you think you are after you take your meds?

Chicopee John

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:

Nerdiest

Pathetic

Sophomoric

Mudfly

@chicopee-john said:

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

Nerdiest

more nerdiest?

D Bone

DieHardBrownsFan

@chicopee-john said:

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:

Nerdiest

Pathetic

Sophomoric

I'd add 'Gay'

Tour2ma

When the gaying gets tough, the forum turns to DieHard...

@chicopee-john said:
Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

loyal

heartfelt

slimdawg

@chicopee-john said:

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:

Nerdiest

Pathetic

Sophomoric

Dont see any problem with it at all, nothin but the truth is all. Tired of just blowing through qb's year after year. This year we had pretty decent QB play, but instead of sticking with him and putting in the time and effort to help him get better, just toss em aside and move on to the next sacrificial lamb for Cleveland. Only this time the sacrifice will be televised coast to coast.