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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    I don't care about the ID thing - many states offer free voter ID, others offer state IDs for like $5 ($7.50 in Ohio)

    @bbedward said:

    I don't care about the ID thing - many states offer free voter ID, others offer state IDs for like $5 ($7.50 in Ohio)

    It should be free and that would take away the voter suppression argument.

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @bbedward said:

    I don't care about the ID thing - many states offer free voter ID, others offer state IDs for like $5 ($7.50 in Ohio)

    It should be free and that would take away the voter suppression argument.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It should be free and that would take away the voter suppression argument.

    I think in the states that have the law it's already free - I'm not sure but it seems like it's usually part of the legislation.

    Ohio and such is cheap, but you can vote with a bank statement or bill or something - don't need ID

    DieHardBrownsFanD 1 Reply

  • Oh it probably should be free but that won't change the opposition. Then it will be that whatever the process to get one is is just too complicated for many Americans.

    Call me undemocratic, but I figure if you are too lazy or stupid to get your shit together for an identification card I don't care about your vote.

    🙂

    The reason we pretend it's wonderful to have a high voter turnout is that the stupidest and laziest people will vote Democrat.

    WSS

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @bbedward said:

    I don't care about the ID thing - many states offer free voter ID, others offer state IDs for like $5 ($7.50 in Ohio)

    It should be free and that would take away the voter suppression argument.

    Awesome argument, Steve...

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It should be free and that would take away the voter suppression argument.

    Here, here... as with the supporting documents to obtain the ID.

    The problem is that more voter fraud occurs through means other than in person... and more occurs during mass registration campaigns than at elections... especially when companies are paid to register voters.

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It should be free and that would take away the voter suppression argument.

    I think in the states that have the law it's already free - I'm not sure but it seems like it's usually part of the legislation.

    Ohio and such is cheap, but you can vote with a bank statement or bill or something - don't need ID

    @bbedward said:

    I think in the states that have the law it's already free - I'm not sure but it seems like it's usually part of the legislation.

    Ohio and such is cheap, but you can vote with a bank statement or bill or something - don't need ID

    Would a Mexican or Nicaragua ID suffice I wonder?

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  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    @bbedward said:

    I think in the states that have the law it's already free - I'm not sure but it seems like it's usually part of the legislation.

    Ohio and such is cheap, but you can vote with a bank statement or bill or something - don't need ID

    Would a Mexican or Nicaragua ID suffice I wonder?

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Would a Mexican or Nicaragua ID suffice I wonder?

    only if you vote democrat
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Awesome argument, Steve...

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    It should be free and that would take away the voter suppression argument.

    Here, here... as with the supporting documents to obtain the ID.

    The problem is that more voter fraud occurs through means other than in person... and more occurs during mass registration campaigns than at elections... especially when companies are paid to register voters.

    @tour2ma said:

    Awesome argument, Steve...

    Thank you. I assumed if it wasn't somebody might actually be able to refute it.

    Reason being that some people are too poor or not smart enough or incompetent or too uninterested or too shiftless to scratch together some sort of identification and vote .

    Now granted there is probably not a lot of voter fraud but somebody's making a big deal out of this situation.

    What would you guess this is?

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    @tour2ma said:

    Awesome argument, Steve...

    Thank you. I assumed if it wasn't somebody might actually be able to refute it.

    Reason being that some people are too poor or not smart enough or incompetent or too uninterested or too shiftless to scratch together some sort of identification and vote .

    Now granted there is probably not a lot of voter fraud but somebody's making a big deal out of this situation.

    What would you guess this is?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Thank you. I assumed if it wasn't somebody might actually be able to refute it.

    Reason being that some people are too poor or not smart enough or incompetent or too uninterested or too shiftless to scratch together some sort of identification and vote .

    Now granted there is probably not a lot of voter fraud but somebody's making a big deal out of this situation.

    What would you guess this is?

    WSS

    seems to me, one side wants those people, you described, to vote and one side wants those people to not vote
    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • Browns149B Browns149

    @westside-steve said:

    Thank you. I assumed if it wasn't somebody might actually be able to refute it.

    Reason being that some people are too poor or not smart enough or incompetent or too uninterested or too shiftless to scratch together some sort of identification and vote .

    Now granted there is probably not a lot of voter fraud but somebody's making a big deal out of this situation.

    What would you guess this is?

    WSS

    seems to me, one side wants those people, you described, to vote and one side wants those people to not vote

    @browns149 said:

    seems to me, one side wants those people, you described, to vote and one side wants those people to not vote

    Probably so. Frankly I don't want lazy and stupid people running the country.

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  • W Westside Steve

    @browns149 said:

    seems to me, one side wants those people, you described, to vote and one side wants those people to not vote

    Probably so. Frankly I don't want lazy and stupid people running the country.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Probably so. Frankly I don't want you're lazy and stupid people running the country.

    WSS

    I don't want that either
    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."

  • There are a lot of groups I don't want running the country, but they all still get a vote

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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    There are a lot of groups I don't want running the country, but they all still get a vote

    @mld-woody said:

    There are a lot of groups I don't want running the country, but they all still get a vote

    very true
    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    There are a lot of groups I don't want running the country, but they all still get a vote

    @mld-woody said:

    There are a lot of groups I don't want running the country, but they all still get a vote

    Yes they do. And they should have an identification. Same as any other thing you do in society.

    Even if you don't like them.

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  • W Westside Steve

    @mld-woody said:

    There are a lot of groups I don't want running the country, but they all still get a vote

    Yes they do. And they should have an identification. Same as any other thing you do in society.

    Even if you don't like them.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Yes they do. And they should have an identification. Same as any other thing you do in society.

    Even if you don't like them.

    WSS

    as long as the ID is free
    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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  • Im with Steve...what's it take to get an ID?.....$5 bucks and an hour of your time.....if you cant accomplish that, then should you participate in making important decisions?....I dont think so....

    Nothing is "free"....just as is argued all over this page, who's paying for that "free" ID?

    Wouldnt that be a socialist policy?....free ID's for everybody?

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Im with Steve...what's it take to get an ID?.....$5 bucks and an hour of your time.....if you cant accomplish that, then should you participate in making important decisions?....I dont think so....

    Nothing is "free"....just as is argued all over this page, who's paying for that "free" ID?

    Wouldnt that be a socialist policy?....free ID's for everybody?

    @mudfly said:

    Im with Steve...what's it take to get an ID?.....$5 bucks and an hour of your time.....if you cant accomplish that, then should you participate in making important decisions?....I dont think so....

    Nothing is "free"....just as is argued all over this page, who's paying for that "free" ID?

    Wouldnt that be a socialist policy?....free ID's for everybody?

    sure nothing is free

    Except it's against the Constitution to charge a fee to vote

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."

  • Well....I guess it's semantics....I see it as charging a fee 'for an ID".....not to vote....and think everyone should have an ID anyway. ...and it makes sense to confirm who you are prior to casting a vote....and a valid ID is how you do that....

    Honestly, why get so uptight about a $5 ID....???....especially in this day and age of concern about illegals, terrorists, etc,etc,etc....

    Were losing certain rights left and right, in the name of security....and a $5 ID is an issue?...bah

  • Browns149B Browns149

    @westside-steve said:

    Yes they do. And they should have an identification. Same as any other thing you do in society.

    Even if you don't like them.

    WSS

    as long as the ID is free

    @browns149 said:

    as long as the ID is free

    Absolutely no problem with a free ID. But just like Woody I think there should be some sort of test for voting.

    One test is probably the lowest rung and that's giving enough of the shit to do the slightest bit of effort to vote.

    WSS

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  • It is the democratic party who fights voter ID laws. I don't think $5 for an ID should be an issue and responsible people should have ID but it is the democrats who are the ones filing the lawsuits and making the argument it is voter ID laws that discriminate against blacks, Hispanics and lower income people. If I were a black or Hispanic, I would be extremely offended at such an argument because they are basically saying that they are not smart enough or capable enough to obtain a voter ID like you and me are. Their argument is very racially demeaning and insensitive.

    Anyway for me I want to see voter ID upheld and if giving one out for free ends the debate I say do it.

  • Except it's against the Constitution to charge a fee to vote

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    then btw, it's the against the Constitution to charge a fee to register a gun....

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